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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (46marijke69 @ May 15 2006, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why haven't you taped it with your vcr?? or why haven't you asked ben to tape it for you??
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always handy, a relative with the same hobby

to busy thinking about being away i reckon marijke.. i'll have to ask him if he taped it not or if any of the other lads did but its doubtful
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ May 15 2006, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I mean you can use emule to down-load a race you have missed to your computer.

oh ok... thanx for the tip, i'll have to check it out mate
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ May 15 2006, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi will recover with the new, less rigid M1 frame
he better hope the frame is better. besides did'nt he say at the begining of the season that the m1 was the best gp bike now!?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 15 2006, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I truly believe that it's a combination of Vale losing some of his 'mojo' (
he's definately lost somethin...... maybe he's havin girlfriend problem's & he's just disstracted
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I can;t help but smirk at rossi pulling into the pits. Karma is what i say, mister curse! lol
 
Yamaha have some work to do with this new so called frame. How about just using the 05 bike?
Its great to see him in this position cause i wouldnt think he would be under 1st place in the championship riding a 06 repsol rc211v. You could just tell on the straights at China how much slower the Yamaha was, it couldnt even catch hopkins suzuki on that back straight. With pedrosa and hayden on the other hand were just flying past people on the straight and even casey stoners rc211v was just hooning past rossi on the start finish straight after rossi got past him.
 
The Yams problem isnt power, its the chassis. The 2006 M1 has an updated powerplant, the 2005 would be even slower. And the new Zook is no dog, Hopkins was clocked at 205 mph in the rain on Friday and Edwards seemed to keep Hopkins at bay the entire race. If horsepower was such a big issue then why didn't the Ducatis do better? The long and the short of it is Rossi got beat. Yeah his tire chunked and he had to retire but it goes back to qualy. He dicked up and had to start from the 4th row, if he would have managed qualifying better he wouldnt have had to work his equipment so hard. I get a little tired of hearing about how bad the M1 is, especially when Rossi doesnt do well and double especially when his teammate puts on the box from the front row.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 16 2006, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he better hope the frame is better. besides did'nt he say at the begining of the season that the m1 was the best gp bike now!?
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You know, Frosty I was sitting at my desk last night studying all these Chinese scribble picture words and I realized why I feel so bad that Rossi`s losing. I mean, I respect him, but I`m not a big Rossi fan. I`m not big on Yamaha`s either. But while Rossi is winning, Hondas are losing. Now Rossi is losing..... there`s dark days ahead
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maverick @ May 16 2006, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Yams problem isnt power, its the chassis. The 2006 M1 has an updated powerplant, the 2005 would be even slower. And the new Zook is no dog, Hopkins was clocked at 205 mph in the rain on Friday and Edwards seemed to keep Hopkins at bay the entire race. If horsepower was such a big issue then why didn't the Ducatis do better? The long and the short of it is Rossi got beat. Yeah his tire chunked and he had to retire but it goes back to qualy. He dicked up and had to start from the 4th row, if he would have managed qualifying better he wouldnt have had to work his equipment so hard. I get a little tired of hearing about how bad the M1 is, especially when Rossi doesnt do well and double especially when his teammate puts on the box from the front row.

True, the M1 isnt having power problems, but the chatter gets worse as the speed increases, so in those 200 mph drags the M1s are losing top end speed. And the Suzuki might be fast, but the point is, compared to Hondas and Ducatis (Not mentioning Yamahas right now
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) It`s not fast enough. It is down on power compared to the competitive bikes and this dosen`t help Hopper or CV one bit
 
Suzuki has improved slightly their top speed, the "F1" pneumatic valve control system is working well though they still suck.

Yamaha are OK in power, not too bad top speed, Rossi's problems are chattering and lack of grip but since Edwards is managing to sort it out, complaining about the bike is a cheap shot.

Race top speeds

Tamada 339 km/h
Stoner 338
Elías 337
Pedrosa 337
Rossi 336
Capirossi 336
Hayden 335
Melandri 335
Nakano 335
Gibernau 334
De Puniet 333
Vermeulen 330
Hoffman 330
Hopper 329
Checa 329
Ellison 328
Roberts 328
Edwards 327
Cardoso 324
 
Working out the average for each manufacturer:

1st HONDA 336'8 km/h
2nd DUCATI CORSE 335 km/h
3rd KAWASAKI 334 km/h
4th YAMAHA MICHELIN 331'5 km/h
5th SUZUKI 329'5 km/h
6th YAMAHA DUNLOP328'5 kmh
7th HONDA ROBERTS 328 km/h
8th DUCATI DUNLOP 327 km/h

I've separated manufacturers with different tires in their teams because it does have an important effect on top speed.

Also D'antin ducati bikes are not the same as the Official Ducati team.
 
you could visably see the front end chatter, as rossi tipped into some of the corner's,the commentators picked up on it to,and the Honda pulling away on the straight's was a sight for sore eyes.here was yamahas post race view's,borrowed from Yamaha Racing!
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MotoGP : Edwards makes podium return in gruelling Shanghai affair
Round: 4 - 2006 MotoGP Shanghai
Circuit: Shanghai
Date: 14 May 2006
Temp: 31ºC
Weather: Dry

Camel Yamaha Team rider Colin Edwards charged from the front row of the grid to the podium today with a determined performance in the Grand Prix of China. Whilst his team-mate Valentino Rossi was denied the chance to challenge for a top three spot after pulling in with a tyre problem on the sixteenth lap, Edwards reaped the rewards of a blistering start to the race, when he snatched the hole-shot and led the field over the opening stages.

In sunny and warm conditions Edwards set a scorching pace that only a handful of riders were able to follow, but finally succumbed to pressure from Dani Pedrosa (Honda) on lap ten, the young Spaniard forcing his way past and taking his team-mate Nicky Hayden along for company. Rossi, meanwhile, had been making positive progress through the field, working his way up from thirteenth on the grid to fifth place in the race before bad luck struck once again.

The Italian began to feel that there was something wrong with his bike and initially thought it was being caused by the rear tyre. After a swift change he attempted to rejoin the race, only to return to the pits next time around after realising the problem was coming from the front tyre. Edwards consolidated third place for his first podium appearance of the season as Pedrosa held off the challenge of Hayden to clinch his maiden MotoGP win.

Colin Edwards (3rd; + 14.634)
"I got a really good start and just decided to go as fast as I could over the opening laps. I was close to losing control on a couple of occasions but I decided that I'd rather crash out of the lead today than miss my chance of finishing on the podium, which meant I just couldn't back off. I had some chatter and I could only push the bike so hard; if I went any faster than 2'00.7 then the chatter forced me to slow down, so I didn't have much choice but to hang in there! The freight train came past with Dani and Nicky but I couldn't hang on to the back, they were both just too fast. We've had some problems this weekend and I didn't expect to be on the podium but I can't thank my team, Yamaha and Michelin enough for the way they worked to put me in a competitive position. I think I scored my first podium in round four last season too, so hopefully this can be a sign to kick on from here."

Valentino Rossi (DNF)
"I didn't get a bad start to the race and I passed a lot of riders but I had a battle with Marco Melandri that cost me some time. Some of his moves were quite strong, which I could understand if we were fighting for the win on the last lap but not for eighth place at that stage of the race. Anyway, the bike felt good but just as I got my pace to 2'00.1 it suddenly started to feel wrong and I thought I had a problem with the rear tyre. I came in to change it but as I went back out I realised it was actually the front tyre, so that was the end of the race for me. I'm really disappointed because I felt in the race that I had the pace to at least pass Hopkins and Edwards, so as far as I am concerned we have lost 16 points and a podium, which would have been a good result after the problems we've had this weekend. We've lost some ground in the championship so I am feeling very disappointed right now but there is a long way to go yet."

Davide Brivio - Camel Yamaha Team Director
"First of all my congratulations to Colin and all his crew - they have kept going after a difficult start to the season and today they got their reward. Third place is good and I hope it can be the start of much better things from him for the rest of the season. Valentino had a bad day, and even if we had changed the front tyre the first time he came in, it would have taken too long and the race would have already been lost. He has been very unlucky this year - firstly with the incident in the first corner at Jerez and now this time with the tyre. It's always upsetting when your results are decided by things that are out of your control but there is nothing he can do about it, only look forward to making up for lost ground over an important run of races in the next few weeks."


Step forward in tyre consistency for Tech 3 Yamaha Team

Some may say that finishing 14th and 17th in the Polini Grand Prix of China is an unacceptable result, but the Tech 3 Yamaha Team believes that after a weather effected weekend, positive steps have been made in the consistency of the Dunlop tyres, and are confident that now that has been attained, it will lead to further progression in the remaining races of 2006.

By the completion of the today's race, Carlos Checa and James Ellison finished closer to many teams than in any of the season's previous races. Now that the question of the durability of Dunlop tyres has been answered, the next item on the team's agenda is to increase the performance and believe that the next level will be possible in the near future.

Carlos Checa (14th, Fastest lap 2'02.610)
"We have been working hard through the weekend and we knew that it was going to be difficult but our mission has been to reduce the difference to the large second group of bikes. We have come far in making the tyres last the distance but now our objective is to ensure that we improve our level of performance to lower our lap times over the entire distance. We haven't got the speed in the middle of the turn, especially in acceleration at the moment, but now that the tyres are lasting we need to increase the performance so we can go faster for longer and not be so far off in lap times. What Dunlop has been able to do in these four races makes me confident that they will be able to improve in the areas we need, to bring the lap times down and get even closer to those that are in front. I don't want to be negative but when the lap times are not there, everyone should be concerned. I knew that this was the situation in Dunlop when I came here so it is no surprise. I must carry on and fight against this situation and improve. We must not give up, - completely the opposite - we must work harder, more harder than the others if we want to catch them. I think we can improve one or two steps. The top level will be difficult if we compare with the other tyre rivals but we have to keep trying".

James Ellison (17th, Fastest lap 2'03.139)
"We're improving the durability of the tyres, but then the side grip dropped away and at a place like China where you're on the side of the tyre for a long period this is going to cost you a lot. To compensate for this I couldn't run the lines I wanted to, so I had to get over the front more. Don't get me wrong, we've made a big step with consistency but towards the end of the race I couldn't carry the corner speed I wanted. Obviously we still have work to do with the bike and the tyres to get the whole package working. The Dunlop guys have got a heap of new stuff coming to Le Mans and the test afterwards. They have been working very hard to improve the situation so we'll see what happens".

Herve Poncharal - Tech3 Yamaha Team Director
"I am reasonably happy, although you can't jump up and down when you are finishing 14th and 17th, but I think that is the best race of the season for us so far. There was no major drop off in the lap times, the pace wasn't good enough to be in front but we were quite close to Kenny (Roberts Jr) with a factory engine on Michelin's and not far from de Puniet. We are happy with race distance durability but now we have to upgrade the performance because I think we need to be a second a lap quicker to be with the group we are looking at. "We have made some quite big improvements since the start of the project. There are another 13 races to go; Carlos working the way he is working, giving good feedback; James being closer than where he has been before; we have a two-days test after the French Grand Prix next week: hopefully Dunlop will continue the progression we are seeing. We go out of China with the feeling we have done quite a good Grand Prix". "We are seeing progress, everyone is working so hard and we must not stop. We must continue pushing and pushing."


Race classification MotoGP

Round: 4 - 2006 MotoGP Shanghai
Circuit: Shanghai
Circuit Length: 5451
Lap Record: 1' 59.318 (Daniel Pedrosa, 2006)
Fastest Lap Ever: 1' 59.009 (Daniel Pedrosa, 2006)

Race: 22 Laps
Pos. Rider Manufacturer Nat. Total Time
1 D. Pedrosa Honda ESP 44' 7.734
2 N. Hayden Honda USA +1.505
3 C. Edwards Yamaha USA +14.634
4 J. Hopkins Suzuki USA +19.265
5 C. Stoner Honda AUS +23.061
6 M. Tamada Honda JPN +23.879
7 M. Melandri Honda ITA +24.101
8 L. Capirossi Ducati ITA +24.467
9 S. Gibernau Ducati ESP +28.358
10 S. Nakano Kawasaki JPN +33.851
11 T. Elias Honda ESP +35.316
12 R. De Puniet Kawasaki FRA +52.004
13 K. Roberts Team Roberts KR USA +56.293
14 C. Checa Yamaha ESP +1' 3.575
15 A. Hofmann Ducati GER +1' 11.172
16 J. Ellison Yamaha GBR +1' 23.075
17 J. Cardoso Ducati ESP +1' 35.150

Fastest Race Lap:
Pos. Rider Manufacturer Nat. Total Time
1 D. Pedrosa Honda ESP 1' 59.318


Championship standings MotoGP

Pos. Rider Manufacturer Nat. Points
1 Nicky Hayden Honda USA 72
2 Loris Capirossi Ducati ITA 59
3 Daniel Pedrosa Honda ESP 57
4 Marco Melandri Honda ITA 54
5 Casey Stoner Honda AUS 52
6 Valentino Rossi Yamaha ITA 40
7 Toni Elias Honda ESP 37
8 Colin Edwards Yamaha USA 35
9 Shinya Nakano Kawasaki JPN 28
10 Sete Gibernau Ducati ESP 25
11 Makato Tamada Honda JPN 24
12 John Hopkins Suzuki USA 20
13 Kenny Roberts Team Roberts KR USA 20
14 Chris Vermeulen Suzuki AUS 13
15 Carlos Checa Yamaha ESP 10
17 James Ellison Yamaha GBR 3


Manufacturers standings MotoGP

Pos. Manufacturer Points
1 Honda 90
2 Ducati 59
2 Yamaha 59
3 Suzuki 29
4 Kawasaki 28
5 Team Roberts KR 20


Team standings MotoGP

Pos. Team Points
1 Repsol Honda Team 129
2 Fortuna Honda Team 91
3 Ducati Marlboro Team 84
4 Camel Yamaha Team 75
5 Honda LCR 52
6 Kawasaki Racing Team 36
7 Rizla Suzuki 33
8 Konica Minolta Honda 24
9 Team Roberts KR 20
10 Tech3 Yamaha 13
11 Pramac D'Antin 3




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ May 16 2006, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Suzuki has improved slightly their top speed, the "F1" pneumatic valve control system is working well though they still suck.

Yamaha are OK in power, not too bad top speed, Rossi's problems are chattering and lack of grip but since Edwards is managing to sort it out, complaining about the bike is a cheap shot.
Is'nt it weird how things change,last year was the Honda to suffer the Handling/chatter syndrome,now the bug has been passed on to Yamaha.
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