Brno 1000cc MotoGP Testing
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The North!
He needs to feed himself up!!! Haven't you heard he's looking under nourished these days.
Lad needs some pies
He needs to feed himself up!!! Haven't you heard he's looking under nourished these days.
Lad needs some pies
Indeed, I read on the net that he's so poorly nourished that it's affecting his race results. His brain is hungry they say - but don't quote me on that.
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Tennessee
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Tennessee
Lap times:
1. Casey Stoner (Repsol Honda Team/Honda 1000 cc) 1'56.168 (54/57 laps)
2. Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha Factory Team/Yamaha1000 cc) 1'56.253 (22/28 laps)
3. Ben Spies (Yamaha Factory Team/Yamaha 1000 cc) 1'56.306 (15/24 laps)
4. Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda Team/Honda 1000 cc) 1'57.264 (16/37 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden (Ducati Team/Ducati 800 cc) 1'57.533 (72/78 laps)
6. Cal Crutchlow (Monster Yamaha Tech 3/Yamaha 800 cc) 1'57.591 (67/74 laps)
7. Toni Elias (LCR Honda MotoGP/Honda 800 cc) 1'57.903 (55/56 laps)
8. Valentino Rossi (Ducati Team/Ducati 800 cc) 1'58.266 (9/74 laps)
9. Loris Capirossi (Pramac Racing Team/Ducati 800 cc) 1'58.387 (62/66 laps)
10. Colin Edwards Monster Yamaha Tech 3/Yamaha 800 cc) 1'58.492 (31/44 laps)
11. Mika Kallio (Marc Vds Racing Team/Suter Mvds 1000 cc) 2'00.144 (73/81 laps)
1. Casey Stoner (Repsol Honda Team/Honda 1000 cc) 1'56.168 (54/57 laps)
2. Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha Factory Team/Yamaha1000 cc) 1'56.253 (22/28 laps)
3. Ben Spies (Yamaha Factory Team/Yamaha 1000 cc) 1'56.306 (15/24 laps)
4. Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda Team/Honda 1000 cc) 1'57.264 (16/37 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden (Ducati Team/Ducati 800 cc) 1'57.533 (72/78 laps)
6. Cal Crutchlow (Monster Yamaha Tech 3/Yamaha 800 cc) 1'57.591 (67/74 laps)
7. Toni Elias (LCR Honda MotoGP/Honda 800 cc) 1'57.903 (55/56 laps)
8. Valentino Rossi (Ducati Team/Ducati 800 cc) 1'58.266 (9/74 laps)
9. Loris Capirossi (Pramac Racing Team/Ducati 800 cc) 1'58.387 (62/66 laps)
10. Colin Edwards Monster Yamaha Tech 3/Yamaha 800 cc) 1'58.492 (31/44 laps)
11. Mika Kallio (Marc Vds Racing Team/Suter Mvds 1000 cc) 2'00.144 (73/81 laps)
Difficult to determine the impact on fuel. According to the riders, who are relaying a layman's version of engineer speak, fuel should be used more efficiently b/c the extra torque allows longer gearing. The longer gearing saves fuel during acceleration, and, along with the lower rev ceiling, longer gearing supposedly requires less engine braking control (aka throttle). Longer stroke lengthens the combustion cycle which should allow the engine to extract more work from the expanding gasses before they are pushed out the exhaust port.
We will have to wait for the first race to know for sure. No doubt the engines will not be running flat-out during the races, but it is hard to say how much performance they will lose due to the fuel regulations.
Interesting times, the 1000's are no where near as fast as the initial predictions after Mugello, I think the wildest were saying that the Honda was 2 seconds quicker than the 800 back then!
Seeing as they still didn't improve on Rossi's 2009 800 time after the 3rd full day, to me says the 1000's are just as choked as the 800 at present. And the bridgestone's will still make all the
difference.
The most positive result would have to be from Yamaha after their first outing, seemed to be easily pacing it with the Honda. Ducati rolling out the GP12 yesterday mat not have been as embarrassing as many thought.
The 1000's certainly look marginally better and sound a lot better, thanks Kropotkin and Ben. However the pessimist in me feels as though the processions are going to continue into 2012, I hope I'm wrong.
Seeing as they still didn't improve on Rossi's 2009 800 time after the 3rd full day, to me says the 1000's are just as choked as the 800 at present. And the bridgestone's will still make all the
difference.
The most positive result would have to be from Yamaha after their first outing, seemed to be easily pacing it with the Honda. Ducati rolling out the GP12 yesterday mat not have been as embarrassing as many thought.
The 1000's certainly look marginally better and sound a lot better, thanks Kropotkin and Ben. However the pessimist in me feels as though the processions are going to continue into 2012, I hope I'm wrong.
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Woody Creek
I did wonder if that would be the saving grace in sticking with the 21 liters despite the capacity increase. It's just a matter of whether or not that will make up for the rather large increase in capacity. Keeping my fingers crossed.
No point in running with a whirlpool in the tank. You don't learn anything. Nakamoto said that during testing, you're testing in race trim. Fuel consumption is a big deal, and testing is so limited that you need that data.
Thanks, very cool, I saw something from a Noyes tweet on your site about Honda finding a way to run DI. The race for technological advancement in these bikes is becoming crazy. When I go buy a bike in a few years I'm not gonna know what to do with all the new buttons.
They will be running the engines flat out in qualifying next year so running the engines wide open should be part of the testing schedule. But is it on the schedule for today? I think some gamesmanship is going on as well. After Casey went 1 second faster at the Mugello test, it looked like Honda were using an unleashed 800 to put down a marker on Ducati's home turf. If the manufacturers are running a few tricks to put pressure on the opposition, they won't tell the public.
If they are running the bike in qualifying trim as well as race trim, these times are a more accurate representation of the differences between the top riders, imo. When Honda's horsepower advantage is neutralized, and Spies has some low end power, the times are closer. No surprise that Casey is still on top b/c he is a phenom, but it makes me wonder what the sport would look like if the fuel tanks were bigger.
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Dont Know
I doubt they will ever run the engines flat out. All the riders say there is way too much power for the grip level of the tyres. Previously they had quali one lap specials, so they could use more power then. It would be really dumb of Honda to go all out and post a target at Mugello for Ducati to base development on. I would think Honda are sandbagging quite a lot at the moment.
Spies is happy, bigger bike to better fit his frame. Stoner still is the top of the class which isn't a surprise.
I'm not sure what this will change, aliens will still be aliens, the rest will be fighting for scraps.
I'm not sure what this will change, aliens will still be aliens, the rest will be fighting for scraps.
I agree with this. False sense of security is a good strategy just now. I think Stoner has been deploying the same strategy the last few rounds.
