Bridgestone investigate Dani Pedrosa tyre issue

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 4 2009, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They may well be easier to ride, but they are harder to master. Rossi himself said last years title was his hardest earned, and he was beaten the season before that.
He may have said it was a hard title to earn but that has much more to do with competition... he's not had to check his skivvies on the 800s like when he stepped up from 250s to the 500cc smokers, "At the beginning when you try the first time the 500, Ahh Fwak!"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 3 2009, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The odd dichotomy of the Lex Files... sometimes brilliantly intriguing, sometimes clearly delusional!

The Lex files are consistent, but they aren't always pleasant or fun to read.

Sorry to anyone offended, it's tax season, and my clients are getting slaughtered. I've got to get out of this business. I can't save people from the government or from their own stupidity. I'm learning..............but very very slowly.

Car racing is about powerful machines piloted by people. Motorcycling is about people who are propelled by powerful machines.

The 800s aren't motorcycles. They're two-wheeled cars.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 5 2009, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Lex files are consistent, but they aren't always pleasant or fun to read.

Sorry to anyone offended, it's tax season, and my clients are getting slaughtered. I've got to get out of this business. I can't save people from the government or from their own stupidity. I'm learning..............but very very slowly.

Car racing is about powerful machines piloted by people. Motorcycling is about people who are propelled by powerful machines.

The 800s aren't motorcycles. They're two-wheeled cars.
Au contraire... the Lex Files ARE AWAYS fun to read. BTW you got this part 180 degrees backwards, "Motorcycle racing is about powerful machines piloted by people. Cars are about people who are propelled by powerful machines." You've never raced, have you...?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 4 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Au contraire... the Lex Files ARE AWAYS fun to read. BTW you got this part 180 degrees backwards, "Motorcycle racing is about powerful machines piloted by people. Cars are about people who are propelled by powerful machines." You've never raced, have you...?

Not for anything more than track day pride.

Motorcycling is about people first. It always has been and it always will be. Motorcycles are inferior performance vehicles to cars in almost every category, yet they are raced because of they way they make people feel.

Without satisfied people (both fans and riders) there are no racing motorcycles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 5 2009, 02:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not for anything more than track day pride.

Motorcycling is about people first. It always has been and it always will be. Motorcycles are inferior performance vehicles to cars in almost every category, yet they are raced because of they way they make people feel.

Without satisfied people (both fans and riders) there are no racing motorcycles.
Motorcycle racing is about powerful machines piloted by people. Meaning PEOPLE control the machine by using 100% concentration, feeling it in the ..., feet, fingers, knees and cerebellum.

Cars are about people who are propelled by powerful machines - Meaning the CAGE and right foot do the work.

Bikin's about visceral feedback... cages are about "how do I plug in my iPod".

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 3 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They may well be easier to ride, but they are harder to master. Rossi himself said last years title was his hardest earned, and he was beaten the season before that.

Also most of your assumptions about me are unsurprisingly wrong. You'd probably be better off not getting to invested in them
How the hell do you know? Like Mick say's. Rossi was referring to the competition as opposed to the nature of the 800cc formula.

It is widely accepted by both riders plaudits pundits and journalists alike that the 500cc two stroke machines, particularly the pre '92 screamers, were only fully mastered by a few of the absolute elite in this sport. WG was an arrogant stubborn ......., and even his opinion was that several lifetimes spent on one wouldn't be sufficient - (but then you needed nine lives to ride that ill conceived V3 abomination that he was saddled with in 85 ) -were you even born then Tom?

Let me get this straight - you are saying that the bikes of the 800cc formula, now in their third season, are harder to master than the bikes of the long and varied 500cc two stroke era?!?? I can understand the contention that the current bikes reward precision, and I could also subscribe to the fact that they are harder to race than the 990's. I'd love to see you, make that, I'd pay to see you express this view to Doohan. He'd either laugh in your face or shove it through the nearest plate glass window.

You're just being contrary, uneccessarily contradictory again, and twisting the argument to suit your own misapprehensions as usual. Talking of misapprehensions, which of my assumptions are wrong - pray tell? Do you ride for a start? Have you ever ridden a two stoke? Do you know the difference between a powerband and an elastic band?

Astonishing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 5 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How the hell do you know? Like Mick say's. Rossi was referring to the competition as opposed to the nature of the 800cc formula.

It is widely accepted by both riders plaudits pundits and journalists alike that the 500cc two stroke machines, particularly the pre '92 screamers, were only fully mastered by a few of the absolute elite in this sport. WG was an arrogant stubborn ......., and even his opinion was that several lifetimes spent on one wouldn't be sufficient - (but then you needed nine lives to ride that ill conceived V3 abomination that he was saddled with in 85 ) -were you even born then Tom?

Let me get this straight - you are saying that the bikes of the 800cc formula, now in their third season, are harder to master than the bikes of the long and varied 500cc two stroke era?!?? I can understand the contention that the current bikes reward precision, and I could also subscribe to the fact that they are harder to race than the 990's. I'd love to see you, make that, I'd pay to see you express this view to Doohan. He'd either laugh in your face or shove it through the nearest plate glass window.

You're just being contrary, uneccessarily contradictory again, and twisting the argument to suit your own misapprehensions as usual. Talking of misapprehensions, which of my assumptions are wrong - pray tell? Do you ride for a start? Have you ever ridden a two stoke? Do you know the difference between a powerband and an elastic band?

Astonishing.
great stuff arrab

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ May 5 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motorcycle racing is about powerful machines piloted by people. Meaning PEOPLE control the machine by using 100% concentration, feeling it in the ..., feet, fingers, knees and cerebellum.

Cars are about people who are propelled by powerful machines - Meaning the CAGE and right foot do the work.

Bikin's about visceral feedback... cages are about "how do I plug in my iPod".

In motorcycling people don't control a machine, the machine supposed to be an extension of the rider. Motorcycling is about human beings who are powered by internal combustion engines. Man and machine are 1.

Just look at Hailwood ride, he and the MV are like long lost soul mates. The MV is plugged into his brain.

I guess only Italian bikes can do that. The 800cc Ducati GP bikes are exceptions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 5 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In motorcycling people don't control a machine, the machine supposed to be an extension of the rider. Motorcycling is about human beings who are powered by internal combustion engines. Man and machine are 1.

Just look at Hailwood ride, he and the MV are like long lost soul mates. The MV is plugged into his brain.

I guess only Italian bikes can do that. The 800cc Ducati GP bikes are exceptions.
yeah now look at doohan on the screamer nsr. not quite "soul mates".

The 800cc GP machine is the quickest motorcycle ever built to date. They are dumbed down to allow mere mortals to ride them. If I was an 800 GP machine I would calmly say "bring on all competition" and sit back and laugh that no one showed up to race. Their potential is only half realized at this point.

Cars are motorcycles with training wheels for the challenged.

Back to the issue of rubber. Bridgestone has to bring at least one more choice of tire to each race and obviously it is on the harder side. Everyone has developed their bikes to the hard carcass tire and now that it isn't available it is limiting the machines ability to perform. I don't want to see tires wearing out on lap 15 even if it is the same for everyone. The last race tires made too much of a difference.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 5 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How the hell do you know? Like Mick say's. Rossi was referring to the competition as opposed to the nature of the 800cc formula.

It is widely accepted by both riders plaudits pundits and journalists alike that the 500cc two stroke machines, particularly the pre '92 screamers, were only fully mastered by a few of the absolute elite in this sport. WG was an arrogant stubborn ......., and even his opinion was that several lifetimes spent on one wouldn't be sufficient - (but then you needed nine lives to ride that ill conceived V3 abomination that he was saddled with in 85 ) -were you even born then Tom?

Let me get this straight - you are saying that the bikes of the 800cc formula, now in their third season, are harder to master than the bikes of the long and varied 500cc two stroke era?!?? I can understand the contention that the current bikes reward precision, and I could also subscribe to the fact that they are harder to race than the 990's. I'd love to see you, make that, I'd pay to see you express this view to Doohan. He'd either laugh in your face or shove it through the nearest plate glass window.

You're just being contrary, uneccessarily contradictory again, and twisting the argument to suit your own misapprehensions as usual. Talking of misapprehensions, which of my assumptions are wrong - pray tell? Do you ride for a start? Have you ever ridden a two stoke? Do you know the difference between a powerband and an elastic band?

Astonishing.

How many people have mastered 800's? Few have even won races on them. They may be easier so ride around on and safer than a 500, but the very concept of mastering something is relative to competition, hence the 800's are harder to master. As far as your assumptions go, it turns out every one of them was wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 7 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many people have mastered 800's? Few have even won races on them. They may be easier so ride around on and safer than a 500, but the very concept of mastering something is relative to competition, hence the 800's are harder to master. As far as your assumptions go, it turns out every one of them was wrong.

How you can bring any logic into that statment is beyond me.
If mastering is realtive to the competition then the equipment is irelevant and 800's are neither harder nor easier then any other bikes but if you look at pure speed and the spread of the field it's very easy to argue that the bikes are easier to ride than any previous bikes. That's not to say, as some here misserably fail to see, that they are easy to win on, that's something very different.

Tommy, seriously man, listen to Arrab and Babel (yeah, even the fish is making sense here).

BTW, Nicky is looking for a smart English speaking engineers. Do you know any?

I am stating that as far as total performance goes the 800cc GP machine is the GOAT!!!

Nothing with a chainsaw engine even comes close. Don't forget their lovely 30mm diameter fork system WOW they were TRICK. And bias ply tires oh man I wish I still ran them! Steel frames ya steel was bitchin' man. What else? Oh ya butt connectors and duct tape! Rivets. Premix. Fouled plugs. Carburetors. Reed valves. Push starts. So easy to forget the hassles. I still have scars!

Now we have modular carbon frames, V4 & 14 200+hp/liter engines, EFI fuel systems, USD unobtainium forks, fabulous dry and rain radial tires, long carbon swingarms with progressive suspension, wind tunnel tested/developed carbon bodywork, titanium exhaust, and elaborate (arguably too elaborate) electronic systems. You just can't be a bike geek and not sit in awe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 7 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tommy, seriously man, listen to Arrab and Babel (yeah, even the fish is making sense here).

BTW, Nicky is looking for a smart English speaking engineers. Do you know any?

I guess he could go searching at MIT or Caltech.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 7 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BTW, Nicky is looking for a smart English speaking engineers. Do you know any?


O.K Tom you know best as usual. Lets sum up:

It would appear that the current new 800cc formula which is in it's third season, demonstrably produces machinery which is much harder to master (relative to competition) than the exclusively 500cc machinery employed from the mid 1970's up until the introduction of the 990's. So in spite of some 28 seasons of exclusively 500cc Grand Prix motorcycle racing; despite the vast array of designs and configurations that the class has thrown up, irrespective of the approximate quarter of a century spent racing these machines around the globe, and regardless of the fearsome reputation that they carried with them and the well documented savage way which they made their power - far less the testimony of EVERY rider that ever rode one, -we have now established, courtesy of Tom's ratification of the fact on Powerslide, that todays 800cc grand prix motorcycles are harder to master than their antecedant 500cc forebears. I would like you and all members of this forum to accept my humble apology for daring to venture otherwise.

So lets forget all that, because I stand corrected and bow to your superior knowledge and experience - anyhow, there is a much more serious and pressing apology to be made.
It would seem that I made a series of assumptions about you which were all wrong, and I would like to formerly retract and redress my preconceptions about you.

1/ I said that you lived with your parents
2/ I inferred that you live in the Greater London region
3/ I wrongly stated that you did not have a bike license, and suggested that you have never ridden a two stroke...far less a Honda c90; and in a previous thread even went as far to suggest that I doubted that you were even riding a tricycle when Schwantz was racing. Sorry, although perhaps you missed Tremulant's excellent thread, 'who here actually owns a motorcycle.' Nothing wrong with not owning one..I may have to sell mine soon, but I'd love to see some of your previous bikes, and I'm sure (being Tom), that you are dying to show us!
4/ There was me, all this time under the impression that you were an engineer - sorry 'bout that

In view of the fact that all of my presumptions about you were incrorrect, I now have a more complete picture. You have flown the nest so to speak. You are no longer in Surrey, you are merely from Surrey. You do possess a motorcycle license, and possibly own/owned your own bike, and you have amassed some riding experience. Finally, You have been lying all along about being an engineer.

Glad that's cleared up. Again please accept my apologies on all counts, and I'll try and find an avatar in the meantime that proudly celebrates the 800cc era instead.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 8 2009, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

O.K Tom you know best as usual. Lets sum up:

Finally, You have been lying all along about being an engineer.

Glad that's cleared up.

Its morning here in Southern Cali, and we woke up to the first season loss by the hometown baseball team that had set a league record of 13 straight home wins. Yesterday, here in SoCal we found out that our number one baseball player for the Los Angeles Dodgers was using a banned substance. Actually, it was not a PED (Performance Enhancing Drug) in the classical sense, actually, he was taking a drug that was suppose to help him with ED (Erectile Dysfunction), its a type of fertility drug, but its still banned because it effects the ....... The player, Manny Ramirez, was trying to keep his Erectile Dysfunction a secret, for obvious reason of course. But now its out, and its all over the news. He is suspended, it will cost him in the neighborhood of 10 million dollars. It seems people will risk alot to cover up certain deficiencies, but as our parents always said, the truth never stays in the shadow forever.

Hard times for limp dicks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ May 20 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>looks like bridgestones quality control isnt as tight as it should be: