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This is brilliant. You'll be telling us next 'you never met a journalist that can ride'
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Well have you ever raced one!! they can't!
 
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Do you still do requests? More about track days please...or speedway comebacks perhaps...and 'never meeting a journalist that could ride'
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I don't do trackdays ..... how can I possibly tell you more about that?



Speedway I shall do again before I die ..... well that is my wish. Just a fun day at a track would suffice ........ for the "art" of it.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
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Please stop it now - it's hurting. I'd pay a seven figure sum to watch you 'race' Matt Oxley
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You are on ..... arrange it and I'm there!! is that Euro or Aus. dollars? doesn't matter I'm in ..... me v's Mat Oxley for 1million dollars/euro ...... piece of cake!! For one race!! .... me I'm better paid than Rossi now aren't I !! .... well I get better offers!!





PS You are not boring boss ....... I mean .... Arab!!
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BarryMachine said:
You are on ..... arrange it and I'm there!! is that Euro or Aus. dollars? doesn't matter I'm in ..... me v's Mat Oxley for 1million dollars/euro ...... piece of cake!! For one race!! .... me I'm better paid than Rossi now aren't I !! .... well I get better offers!!
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Arrabbiata1 said:
[font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]The best bits. But the track day.......
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Arrab, to be fair to Barry here in NSW at least trackdays are a bit like he has said as people have been punished by exclusion from session/s for going to, yes to fast within the group that they had nominated.



May sound very weird in a nation that has an open trackday policy (if Britain does) but in NSW it is a monopoly and the organisers do run it very dictatorially.
 
Gaz said:
Arrab, to be fair to Barry here in NSW at least trackdays are a bit like he has said as people have been punished by exclusion from session/s for going to, yes to fast within the group that they had nominated.



May sound very weird in a nation that has an open trackday policy (if Britain does) but in NSW it is a monopoly and the organisers do run it very dictatorially.
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That's so alien to hear that Gaz. It's not unusual to see a BSB team in the paddock during a track day using the fast group for testing.



Stand corrected - I apologise and take your point Barry. That's ridiculous - but it illustrates how unaware you are and your innate ignorance outside your island continent.



When John Hopkins first signed for WCM he used a track day to learn Donington on an R1 prior to his first Grand Prix there.



EDIT: Actually - as an afterthought perhaps contentiously one of the major problems blighting British track days is a lack of discipline. Too many wannabe racers and weekend warriors overcooking it and out of their depth. To take a leaf out of Barry's book - many of these people would better spend their money on an off road introduction or a moto cross induction before taking to short circuits.
 
Barry your take on track days is asinine (I know... why am I bothering). I am sure in AUS, as in the rest of the world, track days come in different flavours from single file tied down processions for beginners to full on no-holds-barred practice sessions for professional racers.



OK - Gaz just said (and I tend to actually believe him) that Aussie track days may be different than those I am used to in Canada. Too bad for you Barry, track days can be very good in other parts of the world!
 
Why not just join a club and race!?? I don't see the point .... unless its a practice day ....... which may be what you call a "trackday" ....... as I was the one to point out ( .........
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Now back on topic!!



Arab I'd do speedway for free ....... seriously. ( equipment supplied though )



and



back onto the match of the millenium ......... Oxley v's Machine!!!! wait



Machine V's Oxley ..........



The Machine v's the Ox ........



The Speed Machine v's The Cow ....... yes thats it!! ( we've already established that Oxley must be slow and stupid ....... ie. he's a journo .... and I've never been beaten by a journo! ..... and he raced IOM ....
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is it bike of choice?



if so .... I know its going to piss off ole General Jumkie there in Fort Ripstop ( or is it Fort Coleman? ), but I'd like an M1 please.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
That's so alien to hear that Gaz. It's not unusual to see a BSB team in the paddock during a track day using the fast group for testing.



Stand corrected - I apologise and take your point Barry. That's ridiculous.



When John Hopkins first signed for WCM he used a track day to learn Donington on an R1 prior to his first Grand Prix there.
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Arrab, the race scene in Oz is extremely poor in so many ways that it is beyond a joke.



As an idea we have two competing series, each claiming to be the 'prime' Australian series and each with their own governing body. Motorcycling Australia (MA) are the 'official' governing body and used to have the national series run by a promoter (Formula Extreme) but had a falling out. As such that promoter teamed up with a car racing body (ARDC) and one of the track owners (has 2 or 3 tracks) to form a new governing body (based on Formula Extreme and called ARRC from memory) and run a directly competing series.



As such, the scene is a shambles as some teams compete in one series only, some in both and to top it off, the new series (ARRC/FX) have a monopoly on all NSW tracks as well as Winton in Victoria and have approached other tracks (Queensland and Mallala) to come into the auspices (the partners involved own Winton and Wakefield, have a long term lease at Eastern Creek). As such, teh MA based series cannot get allocated days (and do not try) at Winton or the NSW tracks which means that the NSW based teams and riders struggle.



In addition, the battle has caused issues within the club racing scene as MA will not sanction the circuits which means that an MA affiliated club (ie. St George) must run their club meets under an ARRC approval and insurance.



The further complication is that the track day operator at Eastern Creek is a contractor/vendor to ARDC and has sole rights to determine who can and who cannot ride (I do know of some riders banned because they will not get involved in the ARRC series or have criticised it). The trackday operator at Wakefield Park is the promoter who was 'removed' from MA and so started his own series, although it is under the auspices of the track itself in which he is the contracted supplier of motorcycling services.

The basic effect is that in NSW at least there are no real 'teams' as such just some privateer guys (which by UK standards means supremely poor and underfunded) who attend track days when possible



The long and short is that the Eastern Creek track days are run as a pure business (fair enough as well) but are often over subscribed and very heavily (some will say ham fistedly) ruled. I know of guys who have been excluded from sessions for overtaking a slower rider around the outside at some turns etc. The only grouping that seems to be 'more open' is the A group, or fastest riders but the problem is that the rider nominates themselves (point A) and that many riders who want to ride fast, and overtake will nominate for A group when their pace is that of a lesser group. But because they want to ride with mates and/or their ego cannot take the hint they go out in the fast group which causes the racers (those that do attend the odd day0 all kinds of problems as these slower riders make Rudroff look like Rossi in terms of pace and track awareness.



Unrelated I know but as an idea there have been a number of fatalities or serious injuries caused by faster riders colliding with slower riders at NSW track days.



Again however, please let me stress that this is NSW and I have no knowledge of other states and their policies .









Mick D said:
Barry your take on track days is asinine (I know... why am I bothering). I am sure in AUS, as in the rest of the world, track days come in different flavours from single file tied down processions for beginners to full on no-holds-barred practice sessions for professional racers.



OK - Gaz just said (and I tend to actually believe him) that Aussie track days may be different than those I am used to in Canada. Too bad for you Barry, track days can be very good in other parts of the world!
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Mick, if only the NSW scene was an open slather (refer above)
 
Gaz said:
Arrab, .......................



scene was an open slather (refer above)
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....... and thats even more of "why I don't do track days"





to be honest .... it all went to crap ...... when "insurance" became the issue.



Joining a club and racing ........ though very depleted these days, to me ...... is still the best option.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
True, at least you've amassed appreciable experience in that 'field'
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Hey, I'm told there's "PR" you have to do for races these days ......



for $1mill ......... funny "PR" ..... but its your say boss :wink:



Call the bike a Moo1 for all I care at that pay rate!!
 
BarryMachine said:
Why not just join a club and race!??
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Because not everyone wants to commit to a full race schedule and cost... Life is about choices and flexibility and for some track days are a perfect fit.



BTW Barry nice intentional mis-quote of Gaz... knob.
 
Mick D said:
Because not everyone wants to commit to a full race schedule and cost... Life is about choices and flexibility and for some track days are a perfect fit.



BTW Barry nice intentional mis-quote of Gaz... knob.
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Also surely for some it's far easier to not do it and anonymously brag about being a racer on an internet forum some forty years later.
 
Mick D said:
Barry your take on track days is asinine (I know... why am I bothering). I am sure in AUS, as in the rest of the world, track days come in different flavours from single file tied down processions for beginners to full on no-holds-barred practice sessions for professional racers. Again ........ for you Mick ...... I did point that out a few posts ago
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OK - Gaz just said (and I tend to actually believe him) that Aussie track days may be different than those I am used to in Canada. Too bad for you Barry, track days can be very good in other parts of the world!
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