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I disagree Dubs...I can think of several legendary luminaries of this sport who don't have a title to their name in any of the classes.

Have to admit Arrib that I am one of the 3 or more titles earns entry brigade but would agree that there are some people within the sport who may deserve entry with no titles (do they allow entry to the likes of Kanemoto for example?)

The thing for me with some of those inducted is more that they are inducted before other riders who may have achieved more (be that titles, races etc) and thus to me it lowers what a legend is all about (based on that which I grew up learning)

There will always be exceptions to every rule, but if the qualifications are lowered that the rule of entry becomes lower thus that the exceptions become those likely to truly deserve entry

The other interesting point for me, albeit a pedantic one is that MotoGP only started with the four stroke class and thus many of those inducted are not MotoGP legends as they did not compete in the relevant class, however they are Motorcycle Grands Prix legends. Pedantic yes, but the title of MotoGP is misleading to the era in which many of these guys competed
 
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Stoner shouldnt be included. His skill level was capable of more titles then he produced, therefore his career should be considered a failure
 
Stoner shouldnt be included. His skill level was capable of more titles then he produced, therefore his career should be considered a failure

I agree he could/should have won the 2012 title. Pretty harsh though to mark him down for not winning further titles on a Ducati on which no-one else, even The Greatest One, could win a race, and even the title he did win on a Ducati may have been beyond the capability of anyone else.

I tend to agree with Gaz though, 3 titles to really be called a legend, but if Schwantz is a legend, as he likely is, because his title and wins were on a Suzuki then Stoner does have a similar record to his in terms of his Ducati years.
 
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Stoner shouldnt be included. His skill level was capable of more titles then he produced, therefore his career should be considered a failure


Or the competition could be considered to have degenerated into a fraudulent farce...

To win against those odds is a staggering achievement. Especially with Ducati.

Not unlike your own achievement of spending your life thinking up exceptionally brilliant, smart-arsed comments to post on the Internet.


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I tend to agree with Gaz though, 3 titles to really be called a legend, but if Schwantz is a legend, as he likely is, because his title and wins were on a Suzuki then Stoner does have a similar record to his in terms of his Ducati years.

Gardner is also amongst the so called 'legends' and personally, he is another I do not see as incorporating the term legend

IMO only, but it would be interesting to see the so called criteria as I bet none exists other than publicity
 
I agree he could/should have won the 2012 title. Pretty harsh though to mark him down for not winning further titles on a Ducati on which no-one else, even The Greatest One, could win a race, and even the title he did win on a Ducati may have been beyond the capability of anyone else.

I tend to agree with Gaz though, 3 titles to really be called a legend, but if Schwantz is a legend, as he likely is, because his title and wins were on a Suzuki then Stoner does have a similar record to his in terms of his Ducati years.

The number 3 is so arbitrary. IMHO - it's about quality - not quantity. Over the course of my lifetime I have eaten tens of thousands of meals. Does that make me a legendary eater? Nooo... But a guy who comes to the table and eats 40 cheeseburgers in an hour - he's a legend, not because of the sheer number of burgers - but because he's done something exceptional.

Winning all those races on the career-killer Ducati while competing against Rossi and Lorenzo on the well-sorted Yamaha while they were in their prime is seriously exceptional.

No rider or true fan would ever posit that Schwantz is not a legend. He was what.... 30 when he retired? If he'd had the same track record but in this era and had repeatedly thwarted Rossi's attempts to get another championship the same people who call Stoner a quitter would be leveling indentical accusations at Schwantz.
 
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Discussing who should be a legend with no mention of my man #41 Noriyuki "Samurai of Slide" Haga!? I can't take this thread seriously. Time to fire up the ZX-14R and hit these mean Texas streets. Carry on!
 
Discussing who should be a legend with no mention of my man #41 Noriyuki "Samurai of Slide" Haga!? I can't take this thread seriously. Time to fire up the ZX-14R and hit these mean Texas streets. Carry on!

And what did Haga-san achieve in MotoGP?

Garry McCoy won more races than did Haga (as has Jack) and yet he is not part of the discussion although he is someone who I am sure that many followers of the sport admire, miss and used to love watching
 
Discussing who should be a legend with no mention of my man #41 Noriyuki "Samurai of Slide" Haga!? I can't take this thread seriously. Time to fire up the ZX-14R and hit these mean Texas streets. Carry on!

Much as Gaz said, he didn't do anything in GP.

He had a prolific WSBK career, that's all.

Hardly worth discussing in this topic.
 
Here's a thought, if he finishes his career without ever winning a championship, can you consider Dani Pedrosa a Legend? He has had more career wins than some champions, yet never bagged the title.
 
Here's a thought, if he finishes his career without ever winning a championship, can you consider Dani Pedrosa a Legend? He has had more career wins than some champions, yet never bagged the title.

IMO here but not of MotoGP although of Motorcycle Grands Prix yes given his 125/250 history, but he will be a very interesting anomoly given his race wins and I would say based on who has been entered into the hall, then hell yes he should be there (but again, from a personal view, No).
 
Not in my book, top bloke and very talented, but not a legend. Nobody remembers second place
 

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