Its probably this rider sensitivity and wanting perfection that make's him such a great bike developer, bikes others can win on.
Ago says Rossi is a "sensitive" rider
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Agree about the sensitivity part, though he said that developing is another animal, in his words "i'm not an engineer." Ago isn't giving us any news. The word he used "sensitive" was a bit weird for its description, but all he's saying is Rossi requires bike with finesse and fine feedback. Its true for most riders, hence why Melandri, who is similar in this regard to Rossi struggled on the pig Duc. But not just Rossi, eveybody. Randy is one of these "raw" riders and even he struggles on the Duc. So Stoner had an uncanny ability to ride this bike, great, and we already know everybody else struggles. But that is the same for everybody, that is, 99.999% of all riders require a "sensitive bike", NOT ONLY Rossi.
Not exactly true. He could ride the 07 bike but his compitition were caught with their pants down. Following years were not quite so rosie and he did nothing but complain about the pig duc ! We all know the Honda he rides now is a very sorted bike with plenty of finess.
Some peeps have very short or very selective memorys.
Most of his complaints were after he left ducati, same as with lcr (he desn't seem to think it is appropriate to criticise his employer whilst under contract) and were in answer to comments /detraction about his bike development ability. He actually said the 2009 bike was good enough, the problem was him/his health issues etc. He did repeatedly say that the 2010 bike was unstable and lost the front end unpredictably and without error on his part , and was howled down as an excuse maker by you guys.
There is no doubt that yamaha at least improved the power of their engine when they went pneumatic, they didn't make that change for no reason; this didn't make the 2007 ducati retrospectively any easier to ride though. The eventual iteration of the 2008 bike when they went back to the 2007 engine, and the 2009 bike were imo opinion good enough for stoner to win the championship if all had gone well for him; this didn't occur, with his vicissitudes including valentino riding stupendously well particularly in 2008 and obviously health problems in 2009. He didn't put the 2009 bike down at all in a race, and the warm-up lap incident would not seem to have been related to the systemic issues which plagued the 2010 and subsequent bikes. So the only dnfs possibly attributable to chassis problems were the dnfs in the 2 races after laguna seca 2008.If you want to argue that they were that's fine, but it is certainly not what you argued at the time
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You are a true goose mate, not everything you read on here will be a brown nosing suck up at Rossi ........ try the yellow community if you don't want to hear stuff that doesn't accord with your sensitivities
You are a true goose mate, not everything you read on here will be a brown nosing suck up at Rossi ........ try the yellow community if you don't want to hear stuff that doesn't accord with your sensitivities
So you think ago was saying hailwood was better than he himself was? I don't think it takes much amber tint to find that unlikely.
Ago was certainly praising stoner, but praise of stoner does not have criticism of rossi as a necessary corollary, or vice versa for that matter.
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It depends on what he sees an inability to ride any equipment as better or not.
But surely he would see that indicating Rossi cannot, may detract from his status.
But surely he would see that indicating Rossi cannot, may detract from his status.
Ago said that he found hailwood's bikes unrideable when he tried them. This perhaps speaks of unusual talent in hailwood as in stoner, but doesn't necessarily mean that ago considers his own approach and by implication rossi's ie setting up bikes to be easier/better to ride is inferior. Talking about who is better out of agostini and hailwood gets down to differences in very high degrees of excellence anyway, and I would take agostini's comment as praise of stoner rather than criticism of rossi. You may well go back further with bike racing than I do, and I know both riders really only by repute, but Agostini you would think would be making the assumption/speaking from the position that his record is generally regarded as superior to Hailwood's.
I am obviously heavily pro-stoner in general but try to be fair minded at least to some degree. The point is moot where ducatis are concerned since rossi can neither ride around the problems of the bike like stoner nor develop/set it up to be better thus far, but as I keep saying not being able to meld with the ducati doesn't negate everything else valentino has done on every other bike he has raced or prove that stoner would be his superior on those bikes either. I do enjoy as I presume you do that many things said about stoner when he was on the ducati would now seem to have been proven fairly comprehensively to be erroneous.
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So far the only ones who've been on the top of the podium on the much vaunted Yamaha are Lorenzo - and just once Spies
the time that Lorenzo was taken out. Haven't seen anyone else on the top of the podium riding that bike.
As regards the Duc.... maybe this will prove true. I can see it now however, if it does not prove true. The yellow horde will be
insulting riders with poor results on the Rossi-developed Duc saying they aren't able to utilize it's full potential because they're
not sensitive enough.
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Norah Head
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Then should such riders as Rossi make comments referring to other riders as "......." ?
Which may have been my point.
I am even more shocked that there was any mention of plato and aristotle in a psych course; in my admittedly non-recent experience they usually confine themselves to skinner boxes and pseudo science.
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Then should such riders as Rossi make comments referring to other riders as "......." ?
Which may have been my point.( or perhaps more pertinently should followers, of such riders as Rossi, not be aware that such comments are perhaps to be ignored? )
This may well be a point, just not ago's imo.
So far the only ones who've been on the top of the podium on the much vaunted Yamaha are Lorenzo - and just once Spies
the time that Lorenzo was taken out. Haven't seen anyone else on the top of the podium riding that bike.
As regards the Duc.... maybe this will prove true. I can see it now however, if it does not prove true. The yellow horde will be
insulting riders with poor results on the Rossi-developed Duc saying they aren't able to utilize it's full potential because they're
not sensitive enough.
The honda didn't do to bad either. Infact 2 rossi developed bikes from 2 different factorys have produced championships . As ive said, selective memorys
The honda didn't do to bad either. Infact 2 rossi developed bikes from 2 different factorys have produced championships . As ive said, selective memorys
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The honda didn't do to bad either. Infact 2 rossi developed bikes from 2 different factorys have produced championships . As ive said, selective memorys
Remember, in the modern, post Agostini era of racing, Honda has always been a huge winner in the constructor sweepstakes with 14 championships out of 35 - only three of them with Rossi. Yamaha had 11 championships in that time-frame and only two of them with Rossi. So, now who's being selective?
If Rossi was as large a percentage of the success equation as the yellow horde would like us to believe - I think by now we'd be seeing some evidence of that at Ducati.
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So your trying to say rossi had nothing to do with the development of the 06 rc211v and the 2010 M1, oh ok then.
