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Tennessee
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Norah Head
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Tennessee
Don’t think so
“The manufacturers came to us and said, it’s now like a war, we want to control costs,” said MotoGP technical director Danny Aldridge. “They met in Qatar, Argentina and Texas and have now submitted their proposal for 2019. It’s not confirmed but they want to go back to more traditional designs. The most important phrase is that they want fairings with a single skin, so you can’t have ducts, boxes or any attachments.
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Norah Head
Maybe we'll see chanelled fairings ( like surfboards) or new paints that " interact" with airflow ...... someone will always try.
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
Not knowing anything about surfboards as they don't interest me but interactive paint does, however will it work on a motorcycle, I seriously doubt it as a bike is not a clean shape, on cars and boats and suchlike yes as the "dirty" bits are enclosed inside the vehicle, something that will never occur on a motorbike with various appendages swapping sides for bends, then of course there are things like handlebars, footpegs, suspension (front) disks and calipers and finally for most bikes the exhaust all getting in the way of a slippery paint job.
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Norah Head
Yeah Im talking a paint that is not slippery but can convert windrush to downforce ..... if they aint working on it already ..... then maybe they will be.
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
So basically you're talking of a deformable paint , I bet that wouldn't be allowed even if it could be done.
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Norah Head
Yeah I guess theyd outlaw that too possibly. But in reality the different manufacturers basic fairing must have different effect on ground force .... so its odd they would ban future development ...... unless they issue a standard fairing ......
.... oh no! Better shut up on that one or it will go the way of electronics development.
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Pomona NY
Doesn't make sense to me. Manufacturers will always find something new to spend big money on for an advantage. Besides - the development of the wings has been ongoing for some years now. How much more can they spend to refine them? Frankly I'm surprised you're so anti-wings as you have many times expressed the view that MotoGP is all about unrestrained prototype development.
Hopefully they won't start putting aero wings on the riders as an alternative. Lol. I mean look at the helmets already. They're so Flash Gordon now.
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NJ
Thank god, the wings were stupid and a horrible idea when they started showing up since they were never going to do anything but devolve into a spending war. I predicted they would go away. Ducati is probably ...... but I have no sympathy as they started the whole fairing/winglet war. Dovizioso is the only one who proved he could ride without them, so Lorenzo will be gone no doubt. To where is the only question.
Given how good the RCV looks so far, my guess is the next couple of titles were just handed to Marquez as Honda never went crazy with the fairings so the impact will be minimal and they can focus on refining the bike further. I bet a worldbeater RCV ala 2014 is coming within the next year or two now that this silliness is over.
Dovi might want to strongly consider Repsol Honda as Ducati is not going to be the bike to be on any longer.
Given how good the RCV looks so far, my guess is the next couple of titles were just handed to Marquez as Honda never went crazy with the fairings so the impact will be minimal and they can focus on refining the bike further. I bet a worldbeater RCV ala 2014 is coming within the next year or two now that this silliness is over.
Dovi might want to strongly consider Repsol Honda as Ducati is not going to be the bike to be on any longer.
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these are supposed to be the best, fastest bikes in the world, if the aerodynamics result in faster lap times then I am all for it. and if they think this will cut down on costs, they are wrong, because the teams will find other aspects of theirs to spend money on developing.
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Santa Cruz, Cal
I sure hope you said this when spec-ECUs came in. Talk about destroying prototypes and making things NASCAR like. Doesn't get much worse, for me, than standardized ECUs.
Danny Aldridge is a jerk for approving the current Ducati wings in the first place. But, since (he) FIM made the argument against the original wings as a safety issue, he got snared in his own trap. The cost to mimic what the wings do is more than the wings, I am pretty sure. But racing is still about selling bikes to the public, and I imagine adding all that plastic and paint to street bikes, especially 300cc super-sports, might be a bit much for the manufacturers to swallow.
Meanwhile, Honda doesn't give a ratz - arse. "We got Marcy-Marc and enough controlled horsepower getting to the tarmac, and f-u." :boxing:
Wings are gone next year and so are custom IMUs.
Watch the Ducatis go ... backwards next year. No more talk about how they are “amazing at tyre preservation in the final laps”.
Watch the Ducatis go ... backwards next year. No more talk about how they are “amazing at tyre preservation in the final laps”.
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Your Mom's House
Agree. GP is for 'prototype" racing, Wsbk is the production based series. But let's face it, GP stopped being a prototype series a long time ago. CTRs anyone?
Whenever I hear something is done for "cost savings" or "safety", I assume they're bullshitting me. I'm opposed to banning aero package, as I thought it was an interesting visible solution. All these "cost savings" measures have only increased the amount spent. Now that all the investment has been done they're cutting it off when finally the rewards are being realized, this makes cost sense? Anyway, Ducati is .........again. When will they learn that they compete in a hostile series and go back to a full effort in Wsbk?
If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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I don’t mind technical innovation in prototype racing as long as it trickles down to production vehicles. USD forks, radial brakes etc are good examples. Stupid boxes in front of the fairing? No production bikes are going to have that. Only Aprilia has done it so far and they have clearly stated that the boxlets on the RSV4 have no aerodynamic purpose and are only there to create a resemblance to the GP bike. Look at the front of an F1 car. Looks like a joke. No production car, not even a LaFerrari or P1 have anything even close to that.
I would much rather see them invest in engine and chassis technology. Bring back V5s, V3s.. let them go crazy. Or alternate suspension Tech, two wheel drive etc.
Not stupid winglets.
I would much rather see them invest in engine and chassis technology. Bring back V5s, V3s.. let them go crazy. Or alternate suspension Tech, two wheel drive etc.
Not stupid winglets.
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
Just a thought, but with more riders and their teams turning against Rossi and as we have a limit on the number of teams, maybe if Ducati left the series it would leave a gap for a Rossi team. Now if that gap doesn't exist and it goes to a vote on allowing another team, lets imagine all the other teams said no.
It’s amazing how the bottom feeding turdsuckers can turn any discussion into an anti Rossi witch hunt.
