About Bayliss's win..

I may not agree that Hayden could have won, I think Baylisstic was unstoppable, but c'mon, whats his post-race celebration got to do with his winning the title? To remind you, Hayden out of the two of them was the one with something to celebrate, not Rossi.

And when you say "most of the Satellite M1's" I assume you're referring to the laughable Tech3 Yamaha team. Thats like saying the Duke isn't as good as the Honda because most of the satellite Duke's (yeah, that D'antin pair) don't get into the top 10. Don't forget, of course Honda are going to get satellites into the top 10, they get more funding from the factory, plus half the grid must be hondas.

Say what you want about the RCV compared to the M1 (even though at this stage in development they are on very level terms as far as performance) and this and that but I do recall Rossi willfully leaving Honda. There will always be haters out there but my only response to that is that it's good to see the number one plate where the 69 used to sit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Oct 29 2006, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is that the first time a substitute rider has won a Grand Prix? I know Kato won a 250 race as a wildcard but I don't consider the support classes as Grand Prix's as such..

Bearing in mind ive only been watching Moto since 2002.. Can anyone enlighten me? If it is a first then thats one hell of a performance
EDIT: Regardless of whether its a first or not.. it was one hell of a performance anyways I'm not sure, i can think of a couple of possibilities but I'll have to do my homework, could very well be the first sub rider ever to win a race. What a win eh?

One word.............amazing!!!

Well done Troy

Plus it was the first time Troy's riden on 'stones! Apprantley he had a text from Loris telling him the tyres are good and he can push the front hard - which Bayliss likes to do.

And Loris is now wondering why he said that

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sb248 @ Oct 30 2006, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Id def have to disagree with you there i dont think hayden could have won the race or any other race during the year as a matter of fact, apart from l/seca, on which he has a load more experience on. I can honestly say that if hayden was on the m1 and rossi on the rcv the championship would have been rapped up a long time ago. the m1 is'nt half the bike the rcv is and any one who knows even the slightest about bikes can see this when most of the satelite m1's never make it into the top ten. hayden was lucky to win the champ. fair enough he is a good rider but he aint the best by no means. and his celebration after the race. typical american makes me want to boke? and by the way well done to troy at last a demonstration of the mans true ability.

I’m expecting you to get a full frontal borage by the “civility and respect cavalry” brigade.

Oh wait a minute, that’s right you were being snobbish about Americans and Hayden. Aw forget it, that only applies to people making intelligent debate about racing.

TROY cheated!

had himself a vegi-mite burger before the race!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I’m expecting you to get a full frontal borage by the “civility and respect cavalry” brigade.

Oh wait a minute, that’s right you were being snobbish about Americans and Hayden. Aw forget it, that only applies to people making intelligent debate about racing.


jumkie - you're paranoid man !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Oct 31 2006, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Say what you want about the RCV compared to the M1 (even though at this stage in development they are on very level terms as far as performance) and this and that but I do recall Rossi willfully leaving Honda. There will always be haters out there but my only response to that is that it's good to see the number one plate where the 69 used to sit.

Aint that the truth. (drunk wit haterade)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Oct 31 2006, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Say what you want about the RCV compared to the M1 (even though at this stage in development they are on very level terms as far as performance) and this and that but I do recall Rossi willfully leaving Honda. There will always be haters out there but my only response to that is that it's good to see the number one plate where the 69 used to sit.


and as anyone will tell you - rossi didnt leave hrc cos the M1 was a better bike. it's there or thereabouts now but that's thanks Rossi, Burgess, Yam et all

the M1 was ......

rossi left hrc to silence the 'he only wins cos he's on the best bike' comments - i notice no-one says that about capt yee-haw

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aint that the truth. (drunk wit haterade)
hi
i think you wil find the reason vale left hrc for yamaha and the m1
was
a. hrc thought a good bike and an good rider could win (i.e the bike was more important than the man on it.
b. rossi wanted to prove he could win on a bike which was not as good as the honda (and perfrmance wise with the engine the bike may be close to honda now, but as far as the balance of the bike goes it is like a garden gate, and from what i can make out handles even worse with a full fuel load) and he proved right that a brilliant rider can win on an inferrior machine. any one who has ever raced in any level will know this also. i have seen riders go out on absolute bundles and clean up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sb248 @ Nov 1 2006, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hi
i think you wil find the reason vale left hrc for yamaha and the m1
was
a. hrc thought a good bike and an good rider could win (i.e the bike was more important than the man on it.
b. rossi wanted to prove he could win on a bike which was not as good as the honda (and perfrmance wise with the engine the bike may be close to honda now, but as far as the balance of the bike goes it is like a garden gate, and from what i can make out handles even worse with a full fuel load) and he proved right that a brilliant rider can win on an inferrior machine. any one who has ever raced in any level will know this also. i have seen riders go out on absolute bundles and clean up.

yeah - what he said

sb248,

Wondering what you think about this. I read on another thread that the Honda won the championship not Hayden. What say you?.. and anybody else who wants to chime in.

Sure the M1 wasn't on the same level as the RCV when Rossi left but when you have the development capabilities of Valentino Rossi combined with a factory that truly listens to its riders and a team picked by the hands of Valentino spearheaded by Jeremy Burgess, it doesn't take long to close the gap. I would say that the M1 was nearly equal to the RCV in 2005 and certainly on a level playing field in 2006. And that says a lot of Rossi's talents, he played a major role in making Yamaha's MotoGP efforts as respectable as they are today. But, he wanted the challenge of riding for a factory that has historically been no. 2 to Honda. Having difficulties such as the ones he experienced this year were the consequences of that decision.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sb248,

Wondering what you think about this. I read on another thread that the Honda won the championship not Hayden. What say you?.. and anybody else who wants to chime in.


typical Honda

dunno if you've read rossi's book but he gives an interesting 'view' of Honda's attitude

they think father christmas could win moto gp on their bikes.

oh - and they're never wrong and never ever go backwards - if the computer programme says this clutch is best - it's best

just ask nicky hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Nov 1 2006, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure the M1 wasn't on the same level as the RCV when Rossi left but when you have the development capabilities of Valentino Rossi combined with a factory that truly listens to its riders and a team picked by the hands of Valentino spearheaded by Jeremy Burgess, it doesn't take long to close the gap. I would say that the M1 was nearly equal to the RCV in 2005 and certainly on a level playing field in 2006. And that says a lot of Rossi's talents, he played a major role in making Yamaha's MotoGP efforts as respectable as they are today. But, he wanted the challenge of riding for a factory that has historically been no. 2 to Honda. Having difficulties such as the ones he experienced this year were the consequences of that decision.


again, and following on from the above.

at least when yam had problems, they eventually took a step back and said 'hang on - let's get the old chasis out and see what happens.......' and bugger me if it didn't fix the problem.

had that happened to rossi at hrc - they'd say - nope - you're riding it wrong.

personally - i think if hayden had lost to rossi in the championship - he only had honda (and pedrosa) to blame

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sb248,

Wondering what you think about this. I read on another thread that the Honda won the championship not Hayden. What say you?.. and anybody else who wants to chime in.
well what iam trying to say is do you think nicky would have won on the m1?
and no i dont think that honda won the champ. nicky did a good job but i still do think the honda has a definite edge on the yam.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Nov 1 2006, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>typical Honda

dunno if you've read rossi's book but he gives an interesting 'view' of Honda's attitude

they think father christmas could win moto gp on their bikes.

oh - and they're never wrong and never ever go backwards - if the computer programme says this clutch is best - it's best

just ask nicky hayden
again, and following on from the above.

at least when yam had problems, they eventually took a step back and said 'hang on - let's get the old chasis out and see what happens.......' and bugger me if it didn't fix the problem.

had that happened to rossi at hrc - they'd say - nope - you're riding it wrong.

personally - i think if hayden had lost to rossi in the championship - he only had honda (and pedrosa) to blame
my point exactly about honda, they def. are wee men in white coates with a tendancy to "know whats best"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sb248 @ Nov 1 2006, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well what iam trying to say is do you think nicky would have won on the m1?
and no i dont think that honda won the champ. nicky did a good job but i still do think the honda has a definite edge on the yam.


i agree that the honda is the better bike- if only just - i think rossi perhaps compensates for the M1's inadequacies. where are the rest of the M1's ?

but i do think Hondas comments are an insult to Nicky Hayden. if i was him - i'd be pissed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Nov 1 2006, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh - and they're never wrong and never ever go backwards - if the computer programme says this clutch is best - it's best

just ask nicky hayden
again, and following on from the above.

at least when yam had problems, they eventually took a step back and said 'hang on - let's get the old chasis out and see what happens.......' and bugger me if it didn't fix the problem.

had that happened to rossi at hrc - they'd say - nope - you're riding it wrong.

personally - i think if hayden had lost to rossi in the championship - he only had honda (and pedrosa) to blame

I think Honda is so serious about winning that they throw everything at it they can. That is not to say the other manufacture aren't, but Honda certainly trumps when it comes to budget. As far as their corporate culture, they can be a “little robotic.”

But I must say, I think the rider compensates for a lot and for this season, I’m not so sure I would credit the Honda as the champion as I would the rider.

I like the part that you say (paraphrasing here) if there’s a problem with the bike, Honda’s response is, nah buddy you’re the one with the problem.” Don’t fully agree but funny nonetheless.