A public apology

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 24 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you can follow Rossi, you're pretty good.
very true and the same could be said for being able to follow Doohan, but leaders are leaders and followers just follow

on topic.

i think Gabor got the ride purely because he could bring a big money sponsor with him, so it shows he must be quite well thought of as a racer to get this sponsor. cant remember there name but there a petrol company.

Gabor provided us with one of the funniest moments in this sports recent history in the 125 race at at Qatar in 2005. In so doing, I seriously thought he's pressed the career suicide button, so I was very pleased to see him go on to become 125 World champion in 2007.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 24 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gabor provided us with one of the funniest moments in this sports recent history in the 125 race at at Qatar in 2005. In so doing, I seriously thought he's pressed the career suicide button, so I was very pleased to see him go on to become 125 World champion in 2007.

indeed, kallio learnt not to take anything for granted the hard way in that race. it must have left a pretty big mark...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 24 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gabor provided us with one of the funniest moments in this sports recent history

Pardon my ignorance/Alzheimer’s, please remind me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 24 2009, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pardon my ignorance/Alzheimer’s, please remind me.
cant remember myself. im thinking he got the finish line wrong and got mugged down to 3rd buy could be completely wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 24 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant remember myself. im thinking he got the finish line wrong and got mugged down to 3rd buy could be completely wrong.
This is not to condone team orders in away way, but not being a contender for the championship, he was supposed to ride shotgun to Kallio, but seemingly couldn't resist the temptation and ended up slipstreaming him on the line to take the victory. Because Kalio knew that Talma was under team orders, he didn't attempt to break his draft or hold him off, and he swept by on the line. This cost Mika 5 championship points, and he went on to lose the championship to Tom Luthi by - you guessed it, 5 points.

The amusing thing was that Talma's crew were all leaping about and going crazy, and then the camera zoomed out to show a bemused and sombre Kallio team along side on the pit wall - and a decidedly unamused Harold Bartol, who looked like he was ready to commit homicide. At that point they all froze, stopped reveling and started shoegazing, scratching their heads and pretending to look generally perplexed.

When Kallio rode into Parc Ferme he looked aghast, while Talma cruised nonchalantly in removed his helmet and looked impervious to the situation with that perma-grin of his. His crew looked awkward 'cause thy daren't celebrate, and I think it didn't take long for Gabor to realise what he'd done. He was immediately summoned by Bartol post rostrum, and it cost him his ride - which I suppose was the best thing that happened to him, because as we all know he went on to Aspar and a well deserved World Championship.

Tried to find this on You Tube, it must be there somewhere, unless it's been pulled by Dorna or Harold Bartol!

Talmacsi passed his team mate Kallio on the final straight (to win the race), which kind of led to Kallio losing the championship by a couple of points that year.

E: Arrabiata was faster...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Jun 24 2009, 05:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder why there isn't any Japanese star in Moto Gp except for the late Daijiroh Katoh. Unlike Gabor Tlamasci, the Japanese has all the opportunities, bikes, supports and resources but never being in even Top Five List in recent years. I salute Gabor for his achievement.
Good question. There have been good ones through the years but no one has ever had enough to take the WC. Now we all know in SBK HAGA looks like he could be a winner this year and he friggn deserves it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 24 2009, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is not to condone team orders in away way, but not being a contender for the championship, he was supposed to ride shotgun to Kallio, but seemingly couldn't resist the temptation and ended up slipstreaming him on the line to take the victory. Because Kalio knew that Talma was under team orders, he didn't attempt to break his draft or hold him off, and he swept by on the line. This cost Mika 5 championship points, and he went on to lose the championship to Tom Luthi by - you guessed it, 5 points.

The amusing thing was that Talma's crew were all leaping about and going crazy, and then the camera zoomed out to show a bemused and sombre Kallio team along side on the pit wall - and a decidedly unamused Harold Bartol, who looked like he was ready to commit homicide. At that point they all froze, stopped reveling and started shoegazing, scratching their heads and pretending to look generally perplexed.

When Kallio rode into Parc Ferme he looked aghast, while Talma cruised nonchalantly in removed his helmet and looked impervious to the situation with that perma-grin of his. His crew looked awkward 'cause thy daren't celebrate, and I think it didn't take long for Gabor to realise what he'd done. He was immediately summoned by Bartol post rostrum, and it cost him his ride - which I suppose was the best thing that happened to him, because as we all know he went on to Aspar and a well deserved World Championship.

Tried to find this on You Tube, it must be there somewhere, unless it's been pulled by Dorna or Harold Bartol!
this rings a bell

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 24 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey at least he didnt crash into him like pedro did to Nicky, there were no consequences there. It must be really hard to let someone just win, as a racer once your suited up and on the bike all you must be thinking is wi win win
i respect him more for saying .... team orders and going for the win

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 24 2009, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i respect him more for saying .... team orders and going for the win
Yup. Kallio only had 2 wins that season. Luthi had 4. Tie woulda gone to Luthi. Also, Kallio could've won if he didn't crash out 4 times. Gabor didn't really hurt him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 24 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant remember myself. im thinking he got the finish line wrong and got mugged down to 3rd buy could be completely wrong.
Didn't that just happen? Haha, what a poor fool, fist pump and all, that is until his pit went bonkers telling him to give it gas. I was laughing my ... off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 24 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This cost Mika 5 championship points, and he went on to lose the championship to Tom Luthi by - you guessed it, 5 points.
Holy ..... Yeah, that totally sucks but I'm not a fan of team order, unless its the last race of the season. I wonder if there is still bad blood between them now that they are in the same paddock again? Anyone know?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 24 2009, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't that just happen? Haha, what a poor fool, fist pump and all, that is until his pit went bonkers telling him to give it gas. I was laughing my ... off.
Seb Porto used to be one of my favorites for hapless or comical incidents. He too has fallen into the Simon trap, but also once did the opposite. He won a 250 race somewhere, crossed the finish line, passed the checkered flag but didn't notice and continued to 'race' the slow down lap head on the tank. I also remember an incident at Welkom - I'm sure it was Welkom, but thinking about it I don't remember it having a roval type outer circuit like motegi. Anyhow, we were all watching the 250 race and someone commented on a scooter riding at some unfeasible speed around the outer ring or track- but it wasn't it was Seb, who'd overcooked a corner as usual and somehow ended up on the wrong perimeter circuit. God only knows how, but he managed to find his way back onto the (correct) track, only to win the damn race. Someone must remember his...I'm sure I haven't imagined it or dreamt it up in some opiate induced haze

Also remember him at Phillip Island in the wet one year leaving the circuit and moto-crossing across the infield, jumping over humps and splashing through huge puddles at some stupid speed because he knew he couldn't touch the front brake on the wet grass. Finally what about his commanding win at Jacarepaguá in the wet on the vastly inferior Sprinta Petronas yamaha.

Also loved the ridiculous mullet..reminiscent of Dave Sheridan the psychotic taxi driver in the Chili Peppers videos 'By the Way' and 'Universally Speaking'.

Anyway, like Porto, I've deviated somewhat 'off track' from the OP, but hope these recollections amused you as much as they did me at the time

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 24 2009, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seb Porto used to be one of my favorites for hapless or comical incidents. He too has fallen into the Simon trap, but also once did the opposite. He won a 250 race somewhere, crossed the finish line, passed the checkered flag but didn't notice and continued to 'race' the slow down lap head on the tank. I also remember an incident at Welkom - I'm sure it was Welkom, but thinking about it I don't remember it having a roval type outer circuit like motegi. Anyhow, we were all watching the 250 race and someone commented on a scooter riding at some unfeasible speed around the outer ring or track- but it wasn't it was Seb, who'd overcooked a corner as usual and somehow ended up on the wrong perimeter circuit. God only knows how, but he managed to find his way back onto the (correct) track, only to win the damn race. Someone must remember his...I'm sure I haven't imagined it or dreamt it up in some opiate induced haze

Also remember him at Phillip Island in the wet one year leaving the circuit and moto-crossing across the infield, jumping over humps and splashing through huge puddles at some stupid speed because he knew he couldn't touch the front brake on the wet grass. Finally what about his commanding win at Jacarepaguá in the wet on the vastly inferior Sprinta Petronas yamaha.

Also loved the ridiculous mullet..reminiscent of Dave Sheridan the psychotic taxi driver in the Chili Peppers videos 'By the Way' and 'Universally Speaking'.

Anyway, like Porto, I've deviated somewhat 'off track' from the OP, but hope these recollections amused you as much as they did me at the time






AHaaaa
I have to see that!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 24 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey at least he didnt crash into him like pedro did to Nicky, there were no consequences there. It must be really hard to let someone just win, as a racer once your suited up and on the bike all you must be thinking is wi win win

The other way round, there were huge consequences for Kallio he lost the championship. While Hayden still managed to win his. Kallio's career has been affected by those 5 points. Lüthi got the official 250cc cause he was the 125cc champ maybe it could've been Kallio's, and a whole different 250cc/MotoGP career could have happened.

BTW I don't like team orders, I hope they would be banned. But if you agree on them and then do whatever you want, it doesn't say much in favour of you.

I think Talmacsi is quite a talented rider, but he is a backstabber. And what he did this season is IMO pretty shameful. The guy that gave you the chance of your lifetime (Aspar) gives you an official Aprilia for 250cc and a couple of races ago the petrodollars from the huge MOL company come by and make you able to afford a MotoGP, so he quits the team mid-season, can't even honour the contract he signed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jun 25 2009, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Talmacsi is quite a talented rider, but he is a backstabber. And what he did this season is IMO pretty shameful. The guy that gave you the chance of your lifetime (Aspar) gives you an official Aprilia for 250cc and a couple of races ago the petrodollars from the huge MOL company come by and make you able to afford a MotoGP, so he quits the team mid-season, can't even honour the contract he signed.
i agree teo. he is definately not a team player & is obviously thinking only of himself & as you say he breaks a contract with jorge martinez! very stupid & it will come back to bite him in the ...... bad bridge to burn. with that said oddly i still like the guy & i think he could do quite well given time.

Lets view this from another angle!
Imagine that you ride in 250 at a completely new team, which was created by spanish businessmen who also supposed to finance the building of the whole new Balatonring circuit in Hungary. Economical crisis strikes in, building of Balatonring delays (spanish businessmen and the Hungarian government points to each other) and maybe never will be finished.
You finally got up to 250 two years later after you won the 125 championship, because there were other guys with much better background. You got a promise that in 2009 you will be in the Aspar Aprilia factory team in 250, if you stay at Aspar 125 for 2008. Then in 2009 you will get into a totally new team (with 1 factory bike, not 2 like it was in the contract) and the original Aspar factory team will have Mike diMeglio instead. You start racing, but the second factory bike is still only a promise from race to race and rumor says the factory bike is not 100 % either. On top of this the owners of your team decide to take some marketing rights of their racer (you) onto their own hands, ignoring your manager (your friend whom stood by you when you were only one of a hundred noname eastern-european rider), whom these rights belong to originally.
During these issues a great opportunity shows up: you could get a chance in MotoGP if you can get enough sponsorship money! So your manager contacts your previous hungarian main sponsor, for this amount of money you do not have many possibilities you can turn to...and surprisingly they seem to fill your cheque. You are sure now - no matter how Jorge Martinez could be a good guy, he is a businessman in the first place - that you never get into the A-team of Martinez and also know that the 250 class could be a 125 WC-sinker).
So you have two choices:
1.Stay in 250, where at the moment you do not have a chance to fight for the podium and if the Balatonring remains a plan, sponsors might back off and you have to find another factory team for next year (in case you want to fight for the top5 places of course). Start all over the work and may never get to the top.
2.Jump ship, you have the proper reason (no second bike, controversial marketing rights) and after so many almost-wasted years in 125 you get right into the MotoGP-class, on one of the 2008 factory Hondas. Where Dovizioso showed the world what he´s capable of.
This could definitely be the chance of your life.
What would you do?

Remark: after your changing to MotoGP, immediately Mike DiMeglio gets your factory bike so Martinez can be satisfied as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (torro @ Jun 25 2009, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets view this from another angle!
Imagine that you ride in 250 at a completely new team, which was created by spanish businessmen who also supposed to finance the building of the whole new Balatonring circuit in Hungary. Economical crisis strikes in, building of Balatonring delays (spanish businessmen and the Hungarian government points to each other) and maybe never will be finished.
You finally got up to 250 two years later after you won the 125 championship, because there were other guys with much better background. You got a promise that in 2009 you will be in the Aspar Aprilia factory team in 250, if you stay at Aspar 125 for 2008. Then in 2009 you will get into a totally new team (with 1 factory bike, not 2 like it was in the contract) and the original Aspar factory team will have Mike diMeglio instead. You start racing, but the second factory bike is still only a promise from race to race and rumor says the factory bike is not 100 % either. On top of this the owners of your team decide to take some marketing rights of their racer (you) onto their own hands, ignoring your manager (your friend whom stood by you when you were only one of a hundred noname eastern-european rider), whom these rights belong to originally.
During these issues a great opportunity shows up: you could get a chance in MotoGP if you can get enough sponsorship money! So your manager contacts your previous hungarian main sponsor, for this amount of money you do not have many possibilities you can turn to...and surprisingly they seem to fill your cheque. You are sure now - no matter how Jorge Martinez could be a good guy, he is a businessman in the first place - that you never get into the A-team of Martinez and also know that the 250 class could be a 125 WC-sinker).
So you have two choices:
1.Stay in 250, where at the moment you do not have a chance to fight for the podium and if the Balatonring remains a plan, sponsors might back off and you have to find another factory team for next year (in case you want to fight for the top5 places of course). Start all over the work and may never get to the top.
2.Jump ship, you have the proper reason (no second bike, controversial marketing rights) and after so many almost-wasted years in 125 you get right into the MotoGP-class, on one of the 2008 factory Hondas. Where Dovizioso showed the world what he´s capable of.
This could definitely be the chance of your life.
What would you do?

Remark: after your changing to MotoGP, immediately Mike DiMeglio gets your factory bike so Martinez can be satisfied as well.


Well Said!!!
He got this far on his own, .... the big dogs