In a couple other topics folks have been debating 500's being more similar to 800's than 990's, how traction control works, and the like. I don't know if people just don't research the tech stuff or what, but I'll spew what I know.
Starting with TC, the two main types of TC I know about are based on wheel spin detected by sensors in the wheels or other parts connected to the wheels (rotor, axle, cush drive, etc.), and ECU based by detecting sudden radical changes in eigine RPM's (the one Suzuki used to cheat their way into AMA dominance). TC does not have any effect on an engine's overall power. It typically cuts spark and/or fuel to certain cylinders to limit output in the event of a detected slide. It has been speculated that Suzuki was using the ECU based method in AMA because Mladin and Spies NEVER spun a wheel in all of 2006. I have about 30 magazines with 5 - 10 pictures in each one showing them going through a turn faster than anyone else with no spin while Zemke, Duhamel, etc. were all lighting them up. TC can be applied to just about anything with a motor and wheels so yes, 500's can be tamed.
Which brings me to the CC debate. The only thing 800's share with 500's is they're lighter than the 990's. Regarding engine behavior, 500's are very similar to the 990's. That is why they picked the 990's to replace the 500's afterall. The 990's were much easier to ride than the 500's because of engine management and traction control, but still highsided like a ...... The 800's are more like 250's in riding style, but as has been pointed out they are just as fast as the 990's. In fact they're still mean as hell too. I don't remember who it was, but I saw someone highsided this year. I think it was Pedrosa. People keep saying that the 800's are weak, but that's a crock. While all the Jap 800's might seem so, Ducati's GP7 has a lot of grunt. The top speed difference between the GP6 and GP7 was 2 - 3 MPH at the start of the season. The reason the Jap bikes lack balls is because they're still using the Big Bang system (which was used to tame overly powerful engines) which doesn't work as well with 200cc's less and less available fuel. Ducati's main strength this year (as pointed out by many including their team boss) is not TC, but engine management. They are using a more standard engine approach which makes constant power instead of spaced out power pulses, and relying on their engine management to keep it all in check. Now this may involve some form of ECU based TC, but no one really knows so I'll just leave it at that.
Finally, you guys need to stop getting your panties in a bunch about who's favorite rider is their momma's hero's jesus and all that. Congrats to Casey and Ducati. I'm still a Rossi fan, but I was hoping Casey would win since Quatar and I've been pulling for Duc since '03. I love Ducati's. Sexiest damn bikes in the world. I also love Kawi's. Great motors, man. It'd be nice if Hopper could win it in '08, but yeah... My point is that you guys act like just because Rossi, Hayden, Stoner, etc. wins the championship it means that everyone from that rider's homeland wins. Sure. The USA's had it's handful of champs, but you don't see us acting like we're the best riders in the world. Best at everything else, maybe, but most American's are cocky .........
Personally, I don't think us American's know .... about bikes. I only get one or two US bike mags a quarter, but I pick up TWO, PB, and Bike religiously... but I'm off topic again. Dammit it's late. Go to sleep already!
P.S: Stop trashing Pedro too. That kid has talent. If you're gonna talk .... about him then redirect it at his ... headed monkey trainer Puig. I hate that guy.
Starting with TC, the two main types of TC I know about are based on wheel spin detected by sensors in the wheels or other parts connected to the wheels (rotor, axle, cush drive, etc.), and ECU based by detecting sudden radical changes in eigine RPM's (the one Suzuki used to cheat their way into AMA dominance). TC does not have any effect on an engine's overall power. It typically cuts spark and/or fuel to certain cylinders to limit output in the event of a detected slide. It has been speculated that Suzuki was using the ECU based method in AMA because Mladin and Spies NEVER spun a wheel in all of 2006. I have about 30 magazines with 5 - 10 pictures in each one showing them going through a turn faster than anyone else with no spin while Zemke, Duhamel, etc. were all lighting them up. TC can be applied to just about anything with a motor and wheels so yes, 500's can be tamed.
Which brings me to the CC debate. The only thing 800's share with 500's is they're lighter than the 990's. Regarding engine behavior, 500's are very similar to the 990's. That is why they picked the 990's to replace the 500's afterall. The 990's were much easier to ride than the 500's because of engine management and traction control, but still highsided like a ...... The 800's are more like 250's in riding style, but as has been pointed out they are just as fast as the 990's. In fact they're still mean as hell too. I don't remember who it was, but I saw someone highsided this year. I think it was Pedrosa. People keep saying that the 800's are weak, but that's a crock. While all the Jap 800's might seem so, Ducati's GP7 has a lot of grunt. The top speed difference between the GP6 and GP7 was 2 - 3 MPH at the start of the season. The reason the Jap bikes lack balls is because they're still using the Big Bang system (which was used to tame overly powerful engines) which doesn't work as well with 200cc's less and less available fuel. Ducati's main strength this year (as pointed out by many including their team boss) is not TC, but engine management. They are using a more standard engine approach which makes constant power instead of spaced out power pulses, and relying on their engine management to keep it all in check. Now this may involve some form of ECU based TC, but no one really knows so I'll just leave it at that.
Finally, you guys need to stop getting your panties in a bunch about who's favorite rider is their momma's hero's jesus and all that. Congrats to Casey and Ducati. I'm still a Rossi fan, but I was hoping Casey would win since Quatar and I've been pulling for Duc since '03. I love Ducati's. Sexiest damn bikes in the world. I also love Kawi's. Great motors, man. It'd be nice if Hopper could win it in '08, but yeah... My point is that you guys act like just because Rossi, Hayden, Stoner, etc. wins the championship it means that everyone from that rider's homeland wins. Sure. The USA's had it's handful of champs, but you don't see us acting like we're the best riders in the world. Best at everything else, maybe, but most American's are cocky .........
P.S: Stop trashing Pedro too. That kid has talent. If you're gonna talk .... about him then redirect it at his ... headed monkey trainer Puig. I hate that guy.
