2023 Motul TT Assen Race

JFM01 · Jun 26, 2023

Keshav said:
One has to ask oneself . . . why haven't F1 been back in 10 years? Moreover, what's good for F1 isn't necessarily good for MotoGp. I've read several blogs about how much the F1 people rued the day they decided to race there. I hate to be disparaging about India. Lived there as much as 6 months out of the year for 10 years in order to run my business. Things like Infrastructure, quality control and bureaucracy are predictably at all times a nightmare in India. There is corner-cutting on everything and the enforcement of rules and regulations pertaining to safety measures - is lax at best.

I've never been to India so I can't judge any of this and I can't argue with anything you said.

India is a giant market with almost 20% of the world's population though, I think it's absolutely understandable that the manufacturers want to race there.

#22 said:
Technically, he brake lever protector was not doing its job so that was a safety issue imo. I'm glad for the show that they didn't flag him, but Fabio was flagged for a 'safety issue' in Barcelona 2021. Down the consistency again.

I don't think anyone has ever been called to the pits for a loose brake lever protector.
Fabio going 330 kph bare-chested at Barcelona was a desaster waiting to happen.

misfit · Jun 26, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
But thats race directions job, to determine if an advantage was made or not. I do get that what Brad did and the punishment both days was correct, but it is stupid. I'd say his short race decision was more justified as it was his third offence so the punishment was correct. However Marini did not lose a place nor did Martin for their track limits because race misdirection decided the rider was too far behind. Add to that BB should have technically lost 2 positions for sundays crime but they determined one was enough. So they are making decisions based on things going on during the race. So why not this too?. So whats to say they can't make the determination that no advantage was gained and leave it at that? If a rider blows a corner lets off the wick and no advantage was gained it should be considered handled.

In the post-race press conference, Aleix said he was hoping he could pressure Binder into making an error, and claimed Binder did just that by trying to accelerate a bit earlier out of the first corner of the chicane, to protect his position when exiting the final corner before the drag to the finish. The benefits of exceeding track limits can therefore be subtle and therefore, an uncompromising enforcement seems reasonable. I agree with you though on the variations in what the penalty is with each infringement and that it's not correct to overlook such infringements simply because the rider in question was too far ahead of the rider behind for any of the penalties to affect the race result.

MdubSTYLIE · Jun 26, 2023

misfit said:
In the post-race press conference, Aleix said he was hoping he could pressure Binder into making an error, and claimed Binder did just that by trying to accelerate a bit earlier out of the first corner of the chicane, to protect his position when exiting the final corner before the drag to the finish. The benefits of exceeding track limits can therefore be subtle and therefore, an uncompromising enforcement seems reasonable. I agree with you though on the variations in what the penalty is with each infringement and that it's not correct to overlook such infringements simply because the rider in question was too far ahead of the rider behind for any of the penalties to affect the race result.

Ok you sold me. The timmer chicane the slightest error can add up to a huge disadvantage or advantage. Rossi benefitted from it once and Colin Edwards did not.

mikesbytes · Jun 26, 2023

#22 said:
As Gaz already said, rules are rules. Alex Marque got a LLP even though it had no effect on his position. Again, it is about consistency. Apparently the rulebook states if there is no loss like a position, they don't bother giving a penalty for last lap infringments but that is again confusing and inconsistent. Just like rule Marc Marquez unfit AFTER the race, which is done as it means he has to undergo a medical check before Silverstone in August, they should have added 5sec to Martin just to show that the infringement was noticed.

What was Binder's infringement? I'm thinking it could of put Binder behind Martin in the results but didn't happen because Martin infringed too?

#22 · Jun 27, 2023

JFM01 said:
I've never been to India so I can't judge any of this and I can't argue with anything you said.

India is a giant market with almost 20% of the world's population though, I think it's absolutely understandable that the manufacturers want to race there.

I don't think anyone has ever been called to the pits for a loose brake lever protector.
Fabio going 330 kph bare-chested at Barcelona was a desaster waiting to happen.

You can't protect one and criticise the other. Both were safety issues. Brake level protectors were introduced in 2006/7 after the Barcelona start pileup. If you are saying Aleix shouldnt have been given a penalty, then neither should Fabio. Again, as I am always saying, it. is. about. consistency.

mikesbytes said:
What was Binder's infringement? I'm thinking it could of put Binder behind Martin in the results but didn't happen because Martin infringed too?

He got penalised for track limits at the same corner as Martin did (but didn't get a penalty)

MdubSTYLIE · Jun 27, 2023

#22 said:
You can't protect one and criticise the other. Both were safety issues. Brake level protectors were introduced in 2006/7 after the Barcelona start pileup. If you are saying Aleix shouldnt have been given a penalty, then neither should Fabio. Again, as I am always saying, it. is. about. consistency.

He got penalised for track limits at the same corner as Martin did (but didn't get a penalty)

Aleix also hand some aero dangling off his bike. .... Fabio didn't get a penalty for nipplegate, when he chucked his chest protector down the road. They literally have no clue how to direct a race.

mikesbytes · Jun 27, 2023

#22 said:
He got penalised for track limits at the same corner as Martin did (but didn't get a penalty)

Did Binder get a position penalty or a time penalty?

MdubSTYLIE said:
.... Fabio didn't get a penalty for nipplegate, when he chucked his chest protector down the road. They literally have no clue how to direct a race

Should of been black flagged and allowed to return with a new chest protector

Saffa · Jun 28, 2023

The stewards in Assen were shocking. Even in the Moto2 race, they handed out some pathetic penalties, even when the riders made sure to lose time and give back places gained. Acosta was on the receiving end of one of these, but then he cocks up the LLP and he is not required to do it again! And then the Binder ones...
I get that the rules are black and white, but there are some cases where common sense have to be applied. The fact that Binder went 2mm over the green made absolutely no difference to the outcome.
What a shambles.....

PS: I'm a fan of Aleix Espargaro, but when he insinuated that he forced BB into a mistake on the last lap, I cringed LOL

mikesbytes · Jun 28, 2023

Saffa said:
The stewards in Assen were shocking. Even in the Moto2 race, they handed out some pathetic penalties, even when the riders made sure to lose time and give back places gained. Acosta was on the receiving end of one of these, but then he cocks up the LLP and he is not required to do it again! And then the Binder ones...
I get that the rules are black and white, but there are some cases where common sense have to be applied. The fact that Binder went 2mm over the green made absolutely no difference to the outcome.
What a shambles.....

PS: I'm a fan of Aleix Espargaro, but when he insinuated that he forced BB into a mistake on the last lap, I cringed LOL

There's a video [might be on motogp.com, I forget] of Acosta's long lap penalty with some slow-motion closeup. In the slow-motion closeup it appears that Acosta doesn't cross the line but when shown at full speed it appears that he does cross the line. I'm not sure what to make of it visually. I ask the question do they have sensors?

PRS717 · Jun 28, 2023

Didn't Miller chuck his seat once....Losail maybe? Is that a safety issue?

Barbedwirebikerr · Jun 28, 2023

PRS717 said:
Didn't Miller chuck his seat once....Losail maybe? Is that a safety issue?

Yes. Stewards didn't act though. Miller brought himself back to pits and stated that it was to dangerous to continue.

2023 Motul TT Assen Race

Help Support MotoGP Forum:

JFM01

misfit

MdubSTYLIE

mikesbytes

#22

MdubSTYLIE

mikesbytes

Saffa

mikesbytes

PRS717

Barbedwirebikerr

Similar threads

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions