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2023 Motul TT Assen Race
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I have only visited once, back in the '90s
Smoked rollies back then.
They couldn't even make a cigarette paper that stuck.
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on the last lap you get a time penalty for going off track. the penalty is equal to the amount of time they think you gained. if its a third offense LLP and there isn't enough time to do the long lap they give the rider 3 seconds which is the amount of time a LLP takes.
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As far as I have seen the penalty on final lap is drop one place. This penalty is regardless of any prior infringements in the race, and supposedly also only if a rider is following within a half second or so. Happy to be shown wrong.
I'm not backing the stewards, it's a total cluster .... at the moment.
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Saturday Luka got .5 for the last lap. I have seen them hand out a longer one in the redbull rookies cup. Those kids are crazy and are always cutting the track on the last lap.
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The last half of the race was alright but it would have been a hell of a lot better if Mavrick was in that pack. He had the speed. But I guess he got a bit too agressive.
Is there no orange and black flag in Moto GP? Under F1 rules , Espargero would have been forced to pit to rip those dangling parts off
Is there no orange and black flag in Moto GP? Under F1 rules , Espargero would have been forced to pit to rip those dangling parts off
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A BLACK FLAG WITH ORANGE CIRCLE and rider number is used to inform this rider that his motorcycle has mechanical problems and must leave the track immediately and go to the pits.
Stewarding deemed Espargaro not a risk. or didn't notice, or maybe was taking a .... until the last lap, or, or......
Agree, but there is also a level of expectation on the leading rider not to close the throttle to the degree it appears to have been closed.
Someone else said it but have also seen it stated in other places that he did not gain an advantage as teh following rider was to far behind.
While i agree, I also feel that they shoudl add the penalty to the time to indicate that he was penalised rather than giving a perception of nothing
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I'm glad they didn't meat ball him but now they set a precedent. You can ride around for most of the race with aero parts dangling.
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Precedent ain't in the vocabulary for RD, as us plebs understand it. And I agree, it wasn't worth him being black flagged.
...., they didn't black flag Fabio riding around with suit undone, and that was a serious risk to Fabio, if something went wrong.
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As Gaz already said, rules are rules. Alex Marque got a LLP even though it had no effect on his position. Again, it is about consistency. Apparently the rulebook states if there is no loss like a position, they don't bother giving a penalty for last lap infringments but that is again confusing and inconsistent. Just like rule Marc Marquez unfit AFTER the race, which is done as it means he has to undergo a medical check before Silverstone in August, they should have added 5sec to Martin just to show that the infringement was noticed.
Technically, he brake lever protector was not doing its job so that was a safety issue imo. I'm glad for the show that they didn't flag him, but Fabio was flagged for a 'safety issue' in Barcelona 2021. Down the consistency again.
100% agree.
Source? I've not seen anything anywhere confirming he did get a penalty. Binder's penalty was 'Drop 1 position', not 5 seconds.
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A race with mixed entertainment. Not a lot of action but enough suspense to hold my attention from start to finish.
As painful as it was, the rule is there and the other riders made the required effort to ride within the limits of the track. This means that it's possible to do so. Once it's consistently applied, I see no problem with it, albeit, the frustration for those who watched the spectacle prior to riding within track limits became something strictly enforced, is understandable.
I too agree that Martin should have been officially penalised for exceeding track limits as well, on the final lap, even if it would not have affected his result. It demonstrates consistent application of the rules.
Peco is doing so well with being consistent with his performances. I think he's the real deal.... but without the added spectacle, both on and off the track. The other Ducati riders seem to be playing a tag team, taking turns at a shot for glory. With their being no apparent pattern to who carries that mantle for the next race, we are left in suspense regarding which will be challenging Peco for the next race.
Thriller Miller, as usual, being thrilling for the first few laps before falling off the pace, or crashing. It's about time, he thrilled us to the finish.
Great rides from Binder and Espargaro. I'm typically quite sensitive to safety issues but never really gave thought to Espargaro's 'loose' winglet. <shrug> I think there's a lot more performance in that Aprilla to be extracted.
I long ago stopped cheering for Vinales (I can recall doing so during his Suzuki stint and his early days at Yamaha). I long ago gave up on him and and now consider him a 'waste of time' - all relatively speaking of course.
His crash was a huge disappointment.
As painful as it was, the rule is there and the other riders made the required effort to ride within the limits of the track. This means that it's possible to do so. Once it's consistently applied, I see no problem with it, albeit, the frustration for those who watched the spectacle prior to riding within track limits became something strictly enforced, is understandable.
I too agree that Martin should have been officially penalised for exceeding track limits as well, on the final lap, even if it would not have affected his result. It demonstrates consistent application of the rules.
Peco is doing so well with being consistent with his performances. I think he's the real deal.... but without the added spectacle, both on and off the track. The other Ducati riders seem to be playing a tag team, taking turns at a shot for glory. With their being no apparent pattern to who carries that mantle for the next race, we are left in suspense regarding which will be challenging Peco for the next race.
Thriller Miller, as usual, being thrilling for the first few laps before falling off the pace, or crashing. It's about time, he thrilled us to the finish.
Great rides from Binder and Espargaro. I'm typically quite sensitive to safety issues but never really gave thought to Espargaro's 'loose' winglet. <shrug> I think there's a lot more performance in that Aprilla to be extracted.
I long ago stopped cheering for Vinales (I can recall doing so during his Suzuki stint and his early days at Yamaha). I long ago gave up on him and and now consider him a 'waste of time' - all relatively speaking of course.
His crash was a huge disappointment.
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its a stupid rule. So its drop one position if a rider is close enough. Binda had two riders within .5 seconds. So what is the limit? In both cases of binder going over the line in the timmer chicane he did not gain an advantage. He would have retained his position had he touched the green or not. I get that its the rule but its stupid as .....
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You were quick to reply.... I added more to my original message.
It's stupid until you're the one having to deal with appeals for exceptions and the slippery slope that it involves. This is why such rules become black/white. IOW's, just stay within the track limits or else.... we don't wish to get involved in discussions about what constitutes gaining an advantage or maintaining position.
Sadly, not all rules can be like this and judgements do have to made by a panel of stewards.
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As an aside, while I generally refrain from "I told you so", this seems not a bad time to recall all the heavy breathing and highly inflamed doom-warnings on this forum when the winglets first appeared with vision of riders with amputated arms and slit throats in confrontations with these plastic wings.
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But thats race directions job, to determine if an advantage was made or not. I do get that what Brad did and the punishment both days was correct, but it is stupid. I'd say his short race decision was more justified as it was his third offence so the punishment was correct. However Marini did not lose a place nor did Martin for their track limits because race misdirection decided the rider was too far behind. Add to that BB should have technically lost 2 positions for sundays crime but they determined one was enough. So they are making decisions based on things going on during the race. So why not this too?. So whats to say they can't make the determination that no advantage was gained and leave it at that? If a rider blows a corner lets off the wick and no advantage was gained it should be considered handled.You were quick to reply.... I added more to my original message.
It's stupid until you're the one having to deal with appeals for exceptions and the slippery slope that it involves. This is why such rules become black/white. IOW's, just stay within the track limits or else.... we don't wish to get involved in discussions about what constitutes gaining an advantage or maintaining position.
Sadly, not all rules can be like this and judgements do have to made by a panel of stewards.
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