<span style="color:#9932CCHello everyone, was wondering if anyone could tell me why there was no 125cc and 250cc race at leguna seca 2 weeks ago?
Thanks!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 14 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>californian anti-pollution law. no two-stroke engines allowed
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Thanks for the reply, Squarewheel
So the only race was the motogp event? wat a waste...couldnt catch the 250cc riders....sheesh.. No wonder...I was thinking why they had only 1 event for leguna seca.
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Thanks for the reply, Squarewheel
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I think two strokes are allowed in Cali, for closed circuit racing.
The real reason is something like they have lesser events in the lower classes, and it is deemed too far to travel to do Laguna. In the lower classes the expense also matters.
The real reason is something like they have lesser events in the lower classes, and it is deemed too far to travel to do Laguna. In the lower classes the expense also matters.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Jul 14 2009, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wait, aren't the 250 superkarts that raced on Thursday 2 strokes?
Yep and they were the last
Yep and they were the last
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Jul 14 2009, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wait, aren't the 250 superkarts that raced on Thursday 2 strokes?
The emission laws are a new thing on me. I'd never heard about that until people started mentioning it on here, because of course last year they ran the Red Bull rookies support race. I thought the absence of the support classes was due to the busy AMA schedule, which doesn't happen at Indy - hence the 125's and 250's race there. When Laguna hosted the World Superbikes up until and including '04, World Supersport never raced there for the same reasons - simply that they couldn't accommodate it in the timetable of races.So the emission laws are not the sole reason.
The emission laws are a new thing on me. I'd never heard about that until people started mentioning it on here, because of course last year they ran the Red Bull rookies support race. I thought the absence of the support classes was due to the busy AMA schedule, which doesn't happen at Indy - hence the 125's and 250's race there. When Laguna hosted the World Superbikes up until and including '04, World Supersport never raced there for the same reasons - simply that they couldn't accommodate it in the timetable of races.So the emission laws are not the sole reason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 14 2009, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>californian anti-pollution law. no two-stroke engines allowed
so the red bull rookies that race at laguna are on 4 strokes?
ignore the anti-pollution laws, its money and time. to much money for the smaller lesser funded 250 and 125 teams to travel to all the fly-away races and there is not enough time in the day to have motogp, 125, 250 and all the AMA races. something had to give and it was the smaller gp classes. also helped by the fact that there are no 2 stroke road bikes for sale in the USA and you can see why. its got nothing to do with the californian anti-pollution laws, seeing as they are used only on private land for closed course competition.
so the red bull rookies that race at laguna are on 4 strokes?
ignore the anti-pollution laws, its money and time. to much money for the smaller lesser funded 250 and 125 teams to travel to all the fly-away races and there is not enough time in the day to have motogp, 125, 250 and all the AMA races. something had to give and it was the smaller gp classes. also helped by the fact that there are no 2 stroke road bikes for sale in the USA and you can see why. its got nothing to do with the californian anti-pollution laws, seeing as they are used only on private land for closed course competition.
more than the money aspect of traveling (they already go to far away places like Japan, malasia etc) I think it is more that Laguna already has the AMA races to fill the schedule...so no space for the 125/250's...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 14 2009, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>californian anti-pollution law. no two-stroke engines allowed
one of my great memorys of Laguna seca is crossing the redbull bridge with the smell of 2 stroke castor oil in the air
As other have said they do eace strokers in cali. i saw the redbull rookies at laguna. I dont think there would be time to race 125 & 250 gp there as they race AMA at the same weekend.
Altho you cant buy 2 stroke road bikes in cali i saw plenty around monteray and in the laguna car park. most with Arazona number plates.
one of my great memorys of Laguna seca is crossing the redbull bridge with the smell of 2 stroke castor oil in the air
As other have said they do eace strokers in cali. i saw the redbull rookies at laguna. I dont think there would be time to race 125 & 250 gp there as they race AMA at the same weekend.
Altho you cant buy 2 stroke road bikes in cali i saw plenty around monteray and in the laguna car park. most with Arazona number plates.
2 strokes are not banned here in Cali! They are regulated but that mainly applies to dirt bikes, you can only ride them a certain time of the year. It doesnt apply to road bikes because people who ride and race 2 stroke machines usually do it at tracks which are privatly owned. The real reason 125's and 250's dont come to Laguna is the money and the AMA. I would much rather see the 125s and 250s than the AMA and all theyre BS!!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 14 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The real reason 125's and 250's dont come to Laguna is the money and the AMA. I would much rather see the 125s and 250s than the AMA and all theyre BS!!!!
Bingo
Bingo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 14 2009, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>californian anti-pollution law. no two-stroke engines allowed
wrong.......
they did not bring the 125s & 250s because when gp returned in 05 they thought to keep the wsbk thing going with the ama as support class's. with the fiascoe that is ama today they very well could bring the 125s & moto2 class next season..... 1 can hope anyway....
wrong.......
they did not bring the 125s & 250s because when gp returned in 05 they thought to keep the wsbk thing going with the ama as support class's. with the fiascoe that is ama today they very well could bring the 125s & moto2 class next season..... 1 can hope anyway....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 14 2009, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The real reason is something like they have lesser events in the lower classes, and it is deemed too far to travel to do Laguna. In the lower classes the expense also matters.
c'mon barry do you really think this is the case? so i guess going to austrailia or malaysia isn't so far...
with the ama there theres just no room for them... the paddock as well as the track is small.
c'mon barry do you really think this is the case? so i guess going to austrailia or malaysia isn't so far...
with the ama there theres just no room for them... the paddock as well as the track is small.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 14 2009, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>c'mon barry do you really think this is the case? so i guess going to austrailia or malaysia isn't so far...
I'd think it be less since our dollar is .... ATM. (It would have been like traveling to Canada back in the old day, you know, when we could brag that out dollars 'was' stronger.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>with the ama there theres just no room for them... the paddock as well as the track is small.
Yup, when they considered bringing back GP to the States, they didn't think it would attract enough people as a stand alone, so they crammed the AMA here. But I'd rather see the lower classes 10x over the AMA, especially the new DMG version. (I guess DMG didn't want to lose their opportunity to embarrass us with the international community by parking a "safety" car at the fastest blind section of the track, eh.
I think Laguana, with its uniques track layout and elevation changes would rock with the 125/250s.
I'd think it be less since our dollar is .... ATM. (It would have been like traveling to Canada back in the old day, you know, when we could brag that out dollars 'was' stronger.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>with the ama there theres just no room for them... the paddock as well as the track is small.
Yup, when they considered bringing back GP to the States, they didn't think it would attract enough people as a stand alone, so they crammed the AMA here. But I'd rather see the lower classes 10x over the AMA, especially the new DMG version. (I guess DMG didn't want to lose their opportunity to embarrass us with the international community by parking a "safety" car at the fastest blind section of the track, eh.
I think Laguana, with its uniques track layout and elevation changes would rock with the 125/250s.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 14 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess DMG didn't want to lose their opportunity to embarrass us with the international community by parking a "safety" car at the fastest blind section of the track, eh.
what a joke that was.
what a joke that was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 14 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Laguana, with its uniques track layout and elevation changes would rock with the 125/250s.
i was so dissapointed when i went in 05 but hey after that clown show that everyone was treated 2 courtesy of dmg maybe dorna will wise up & bring them next season.
of course it'll be 125s & moto2 class by then.
i was so dissapointed when i went in 05 but hey after that clown show that everyone was treated 2 courtesy of dmg maybe dorna will wise up & bring them next season.
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Thank you for all your replies, everyone, now I know why there weren't any 125 and 250cc races there !
I think we'd prob see them at the later Indy race...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 15 2009, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2 strokes are not banned here in Cali! They are regulated but that mainly applies to dirt bikes, you can only ride them a certain time of the year. It doesnt apply to road bikes because people who ride and race 2 stroke machines usually do it at tracks which are privatly owned. The real reason 125's and 250's dont come to Laguna is the money and the AMA. I would much rather see the 125s and 250s than the AMA and all theyre BS!!!!
<span style="color:#008000I see....no wonder, thks , umm..I dont follow the AMA race, wat's that
<span style="color:#008000I see....no wonder, thks , umm..I dont follow the AMA race, wat's that
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Thank you for all your replies, everyone, now I know why there weren't any 125 and 250cc races there !
I think we'd prob see them at the later Indy race...
you will, last year the lower classes were present at Indy
you will, last year the lower classes were present at Indy
