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YAMAHAMER's CONSPIRACY THEORY:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jul 14 2006, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's not that i like or dislike (i dislike) Honda...
I just can't stand Fagi Pedrosa.
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What's your problem? Plans aside, Dani is an excellent rider. He may not be the best rider yet but he's learning and improving day by day.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ros @ Jul 14 2006, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What's your problem? Plans aside, Dani is an excellent rider. He may not be the best rider yet but he's learning and improving day by day.



Fagi is an OUTSTANDING RYDER!...kid rides hiss a$$ off!...no denying about his talent..(genetically engineered at Honda...test tube baby)..
i have nothing but the most admiration for his skills as a Ryder...

i just don't like the "dude".......he's a robot, has the personality of a dried fig....that's it.
 
im staying out of this one
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but carry on im laughing my ... off,, hey havnt we been ere before? cum on teo kick his ... hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhhaha
 
Question: What did the right eyebrow tell the left eyebrow when the met?





Answer: Eye brow! (Hi bro!)


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Just to cool things down.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jul 15 2006, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yours obviously. I'm not the one suggesting that an amputated engine will be the base of next year's Honda engine.

I don't see why Honda need such an advantage. Ok, they can have a test engine up running quite quick, but I strongly doubt an aputated V5 will be the engine for next year. If anyone could start from scratch it's Honda. Besides they would want a new engine to be just as perfect as the old one. But things changed since the original design and it wouldn't surprice me at all if they do things differently now with a V3 or V4 than they did with the original V5.
Besides, I don't see what huge advantage they get. The new rules make sure they will not keep their 5cyl advantage. In that way the new ruels make a lot of sense.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jul 14 2006, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda, who currently run a five cylinder machine, and need only remove a cylinder to modify their engine. Other manufacturers will need to entirely redesign their engines.
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If it were that simple
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First, do your arithmetics (divide 990 by five, multiply times four) and you'll find that the figures aren't rounded to the hundreds of cubic centimeters. Oh dear, no, you've gotta re-dimension the new cilinders, redesign the heads, fit in a new cooling...

Second, you find out that your new engine may not be not only smaller but also proportionaly heavier than the old one. Its geometry changes (gravity center, inertias, points of ancher to the chasis, etc) just as the the ignition mapping, the gear box and rpm-torque curves do. Have you ever been to an engines testing bank?

That's for the engine. Then find the right behaviour of the chasis, (rotation, distance between wheels, etc).

Put it all together and begin all over again iteratively. Bring in the programmers and make them enter a few more algorithms, variables and send the engineers to the tunnels to test aerodynamics and don't be too narrow-minded: riders have their positions, weights, etc, and then bla, and bla and finally bla
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kentucky Kid @ Jul 14 2006, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am curious to see what Ducati is developing...A return to the 851 days
I know we are bouncing around here abit, with engine configs, rider bashing (leave 26 alone), but in the area of weight is what has cought my eye and 'Kentucky Kid' brought up one of my fave Ducs. The 851-888.
In the early 90's the Ferrachi(sp?) ducati's were blowing everyone away, so AMA incressed the weight limits of the twins. So they installed a iron bar to the frame between the cylinder jugs and guess what?!!! Ama's plan back fired, couse Duc's lap times fell even more!
Long live the 851-888's
 
Ok, firstly, can we slow down with the Dani bashing and subsequent agro moods? We don`t wanna start this all over again, so let`s stop it before it happens. You don`t have to like Dani, but in the intrests of his fans on this website (who are visibly starting to get very sick of all the negative attention he`s been getting lately) let`s just leave it at "I don`t like dani because he`s not charismatic." Yamahamer, I know you`re only new to the site, but if you look up a few recent threads you`ll find Dani has been copping a lot, which has turned more than one healthy debate ugly. Really ugly. Not that I`m singling you out here. Just in the intrests of keeping the peace, everybody, remember the Respect word..

Anyway back to the Honda conspiracy theory. I agree they`ve influenced the MSMA to come out giving them an advantage, but I don`t think it`s a financial one, so they can just modify the RCV engine. Honda don`t need that. Unlike other Bridgestone-shod Japanese factories (Not mentioning any names
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) Honda are very generous to their racing division, which translates directly into results. The reason they`re doing this is to build a V3. Of course nothing`s been confrimed about their engine yet, but it`s one of the worst kept secrets in the GP world. While their main rivals Yamaha and Ducati will stick to 4 cylinders (Ducati have confirmed a V4 and Yamaha don`t have enough imagination to do anything other than a L4) which will weigh in at exactly the same amount as a 4-cyl 990 according to what I`ve read, Honda will build a V3, knowing full well that they`re the only factory involved in the MotoGP with the recourses, experience and innovation to build a competitive 3 cylinder engine (which don`t have a sterling record in 4 stroke racing, eg. Foggy Petronas)
Building this engine will make them the only factory on the grid able to build a lighter bike under the new rules, which when combined with Pedrosa weight will give them a big advantage, and having a few less kilos won`t hinder other Honda riders either. Any power defecit (If one even exists, which it might not knowing HRC) will be made up for by higher corner speeds, acceleration, quicker braking, better handling and all the advantages of light weight. The smaller fuel restriction will also work in favour of a 3 cylinder as they wont have to run as lean as the 4 cylinders. This is the root of the conspiracy theory. Combne this with their hot rookie, who is arguably hotter than Rossi in his rookie season, the strongest presence on the grid, and a swag of talented riders, and Honda might just get back on top. Then again Rossi might prance around on his 800 and regardless of all Honda's efforts, and win another title for Yamaha. But you gotta admit, HRC are smart, sly, ruthless and resourceful, and they won`t be making his job any easier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Jul 16 2006, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know we are bouncing around here abit, with engine configs, rider bashing (leave 26 alone), but in the area of weight is what has cought my eye and 'Kentucky Kid' brought up one of my fave Ducs. The 851-888.
In the early 90's the Ferrachi(sp?) ducati's were blowing everyone away, so AMA incressed the weight limits of the twins. So they installed a iron bar to the frame between the cylinder jugs and guess what?!!! Ama's plan back fired, couse Duc's lap times fell even more!
Long live the 851-888's

That is a great story, bud. I read a little article about a restored 851 a few months back. The guy said he wanted to preserve it, but build somthing special. So naturally he comes up with an immaculate, and slightly modified 851. I remember looking at the spec sheet for this particular bike and it blew me away. 135 hp and somewhere in the vicinity of 140 kg. I know he`d done a few modifications, and a bit of weight saving through a full rebuild, but those are still some impressive numbers, especially for an 850cc 15 year old V twin. Then you consider how advanced it was for a V twin in it`s time; fuel injection, 8 valves, liquid cooled. Very impressive motorcycle if you ask me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 16 2006, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Building this engine [V3] will make them the only factory on the grid able to build a lighter bike under the new rules, which when combined with Pedrosa weight will give them a big advantage, and having a few less kilos won`t hinder other Honda riders either. Doesn't this sounds like an overkill for one rider, not matter how phenomenal he might be? That rider might get an injury, or move on (to the NBA, as someone hinted here) or take the break that he so badly wants. Honda are alienating the class simply because they can. Come it to riders' body weight, Honda might desperately want to sign Capirossi for their 800cc, and I don't see that happening, or KR imposing an extreme diet to his son in the Mojave dessert (that he seems to need anyway).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Any power defecit (If one even exists, which it might not knowing HRC) will be made up for by higher corner speeds, acceleration, quicker braking, better handling and all the advantages of light weight.
The most important advantage of lighter machines is, by far, softer tyres. I would take the 800 cc shake up as a natural step towards better machines, rather than as Darth Vader (Suguru Kanazawa) inventing weapons of mass destruction to sell to governments (Pons, Cechinello) that he corrupted himself. The technological progress is chronically limited by the tyre development (physics against chemistry!), that simply can't keep up the pace. If 800 cc are finally proved to be lighter, they would give Michelin and Bridgestone a short break.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The smaller fuel restriction will also work in favour of a 3 cylinder as they wont have to run as lean as the 4 cylinders. I don't understand this one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jul 15 2006, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's got a 1 meter tall traffic cone up his ... I doubt he'll notice a kick!
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i'm not trying to make enemies, just a debate...
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besides the "main" topic wasn't about Fagi, it's about HONDA trying to find a way to beat Rossi...and the rule change is a dam good way....

someone also mentioned how much better Dani's doing his rook year than Rossi had in 2000...true he is, but thats partly to the machine he's running (back to Honda), plus come on guys, everyone here should agree that the old 500 2-stroke was waaaaaay harder to ride than the 990's...
plus that season had a ton of wet races, DON"T MAKE ME POST UP VIDEO FROM MY 2000 GP-REVIEW!
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i must admit pedrosa even in real life is the most DULL person u see, he is almost robotic when u see him in the pit garage and even when he signs autographs how he gets away with the weight advantage over other riders i never know...

but i do like dani as a rider in fact future world champion no doubt (haydan can forget it
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if he thinks he be champ when rossi retires)
 
Who cares about personality?At the end of the day he puts his balls on the line and gives it big for us all to enjoy.They only need a personality if you personally want to go and have a cuppa with `em!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL666 @ Jul 18 2006, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who cares about personality?At the end of the day he puts his balls on the line and gives it big for us all to enjoy.They only need a personality if you personally want to go and have a cuppa with `em!

I`m with you Drill. Since when having a pretty smile count for anything in between the green and chequred flags? Rossi is the best, but it ain`t because he dresses up, jokes and does wild burnouts. It`s not Dani`s job to be charismatic. Sure, it`s a shame that he`s not, but what can you do? At the end of the day he`s a motorcycle racer and not a comedian.
 
soon im gunna feel very sori for ickle dani cus of all the stick he gets and hes copping a lot,, but who cares its the bikes with round wheels and a thing called a black and white flag thats all that bloody counts or should i say in ten 0r 12 years times cus thats how we r gunna remember him and we will remember him,, me personally heheheheheh i hope he starts drinking and eating fish and chips and puts say 3 stone on lol.
hey dani wot im saying is i wasnt a massive fan of urs but im watching u now son
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Jul 15 2006, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Long live the 851-888's

A mate of mine had an 888 - with termigotics (cant spell em!) exhausts.............absoulte beast of a bike.........it especially sounded ice when giving it some under bridges
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Now come on Costa, we`re only grumbling about Honda because we`re jealous on behalf of our favourite factories (Kawasaki, Yamaha, Ducati, ect.) Like winner says, "Everyone hates a good champion" Rings true for the manufacturers, too, dosen`t it?
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