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YAMAHAMER's CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Joined Jul 2006
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CONSPIRACY THEORY:#1 Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:49:45 AM Central Time. Austin Tx., USA, Earth.............comfy chair.
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Honda strong armed Dorna, MotoGP, whatever, to bring in the 800cc bikes 2007 , not for rider safety and to lower speeds..but, to better fit their test tube baby rider program........
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discuss.....
 
A lot of us non-honda fans have thought along those lines. It`s all part of the grand plan to destroy the #46 defector...
 
I'm a Honda fan and I believe that. They do that kind of stuff in every class they compete in.
 
ahhhhh finally some people that agree with me...
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it's not that i like or dislike (i dislike) Honda...
I just can't stand Fagi Pedrosa.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jul 14 2006, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Next year the bikes will be heavier, how's that supposed to help Dani???
Hang on, wasn't the whole point of switching to 800cc to improve safety?

Can someone please tell me how making the bikes heavier makes things safer?
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Why would the bikes be heavier? Smaller engine= less weight..
Is there some sort of new weight restriction?
 
The safety aspect comes into play because they are lowering capacity from 990cc to 800cc and adding weight. More weight and less displacement would theoretically result in slower and less agile machines. That's why many feel this changes for "safety" excuse is laughable. If I recall, the proposed V3 that Honda are rumored to have will be the same weight as the RC211V and four, five and six cylinder machines will be heavier than their current format counterparts.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jul 14 2006, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Next year the bikes will be heavier, how's that supposed to help Dani???

not realy a question of wieght issues for Fagi Pedrosa....
more about HONDA having an advantage with the new 800..
(remember 2002 when the 990 came out?)

here ya go...

MotoGP Class

New specifications for each racing class are formed as FIM sees fit. At the beginning of the new MotoGP era in 2002, 500cc two-stroke or 990cc four-stroke bikes were specified to race. The enormous power advantage of the four-stroke engine over the two-stroke eliminated all two-strokes from competition, and the following season there were no two-stroke bikes racing.

MotoGP bikes are permitted to have engines with 3 to 6 cylinders, and have variable weight limits depending on the number of cylinders. This is because an engine with more cylinders for a given capacity means the engine can produce more power, and the weight limit is increased as a form of handicap. In 2004 motorcycles were entered with three-, four- and five-cylinder configurations.

From 2005 onwards, rule 1.20.2 stated that: 'A race will not be interrupted for climatic reasons and riders who wish to change tyres or make adjustments must enter the pits and do so during the actual race.' Previously races were stopped in the case of rain, unless the race was declared "wet" from the start.

The FIM has become concerned, much as the FIA in formula one, at the advances in design and engineering that result in higher speeds all around the race track since 2002. The current MotoGP speed record of 347.4 km/h (215.864mph) was set by Loris Capirossi on Ducati Desmosedici GP4 at IRTA Tests in Catalunya in 2004. By way of comparison, the current Formula One speed record of 369.9 km/h (229.8 mph) was set by Antonio Pizzonia of the BMW Williams F1 team, at Monza in 2004. To ensure safety, they have agreed a set of regulation changes to reduce motorcycle speeds. These include changes in weight, fuel capacity and eventually from 2007 a reduction in engine capacity:

Minimum Weight - MotoGP Class Cylinders 2004 Min 2007 Min Change
2Cylinder 135Kg 137Kg +2Kg
3Cylinder 135Kg 140.5Kg +5.5Kg
4Cylinder 145Kg 148Kg +3Kg
5Cylinder 145Kg 155.5Kg +10.5Kg
6Cylinder 155Kg 163Kg +8Kg


In 2005, fuel tank capacity was reduced by 2litres to 24litres
In 2006, fuel tank capacity was reduced by a further 2litres to 22litres
From 2007 onwards and for a minimum period of five years, FIM has regulated in MotoGP class that 2stroke bikes will no longer be allowed, and engines will be limited to 800cc four-strokes. The maximum fuel capacity will be 21litres
The specific choice of a reduction to 800cc (as opposed to other power reduction methods, such as decreasing the number of transmission gears permitted) is very favourable to Honda, who currently run a five cylinder machine, and need only remove a cylinder to modify their engine. Other manufacturers will need to entirely redesign their engines.[2]
 
The weight handicap is stupid.. making bikes heavier only makes them more difficult to handle.. and at the speeds we see in MotoGP that isn't a good thing
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in lamins terms: Fagi wieghts 51kg, Rossi 67kg....

thats 16kg, about 30lbs advantage Fagi.......tell me thats not an advantage for the Smurf, all planned out by Honda to try and beat the Doctor.
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TOTAL: Honda 800 cc with a V-4 (already tested engine)
from 145Kg with the 990cc to 148Kg with the 800cc (+3Kg) =
Fagi advantage 13kgs about 26lbs.
plus we know honda will have the bike with the most balls...
 
Oh so that's how they'll make the 800cc, they'll chop a cylinder off the block. Oh it's so simple! Maybe they'll get the blacksmith to do it and save a few yens.

Ignorance is bliss.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Ignorance is bliss.
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who's ignrance? yours, or mine?

I'm sure Honda will take a hack saw to it, since they don't have the money nore the engineers to do the job right....
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Yours obviously. I'm not the one suggesting that an amputated engine will be the base of next year's Honda engine.
 

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