WSBK Misano

cliché guevara said:

yes but different tyre choice is something different to being stuck on the wrong brand.

i'm not a fan of tyre wars,but i think it would do no harm if bridgestone would be able to provide more than just two options of which generally only one works (although it appears it has been worse in the past)

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I wouldn't call it "wrong brand" this year, as that bike has allowed him to get the most poles. The problem may be a lack of refined electronics, either technically or the rider not telling the gismo engineer how to set it properly for best race distance performance. I recall Mat Mladin talking about this once, he said, the electronics can be a complicated thing that can hurt you if you don't set it right. So I don't know if its just a poor electronic package or poor rider feedback/tech setting. The commentator (one of them) mentioned he felt it was an issue with Sykes not giving the electronics tech the correct feedback.

cliché guevara said:

(thank god there are no big melandri fans on this forum,wsbk has all the potential for a leo-bopper vs marco war on this forum

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Well, Melandri keeps showing us his ....

cliché guevara said:

to be honest i don't know too much about the pirellis in wsbk , i know there are 4 options available at the races + qualifying tyres right?

are sykes and rea generally on the hardest compound in the race?they better be, its frustrating to see them fade in the race as a rule of thumb

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What I have read from Kropo, is that the Pirellis are designed to denigrate before the end of race distance to provide this unpredictable racing experience, that is, to increase the show's interest. Its working. Sucks for the riders though, as they are the ones under the pressure to make the right choice. I'm just going to assume Biaggi gets the same tires as everybody else; though the disparity yesterday, considering his bike's ability to power through everybody, seemed a peculiar outlier. I'll chalk it up to Biaggi's well known smooth style.

i was talking about tyre brands ,for example dunlop being the tyre you wouldn't want to be on in motogp 2007



agree about the pirelli part, i'm not a big fan of what they're doing to f1 this year too.

tyres that don't go off may result in a bit more processional racing , but its no great excitement to know from the getgo "ah ok this guy is on the soft, guess he'll be handed through the pack by lap 15"

lil red rocket pilot said:

I agree but even all on the same rubber you would see some try to make a brake for it and fall back later on their laptimes and others maintaining steady laptimes coming back into it later. Sykes is a prime example, he has to lead. I reckon if he played it a bit calmer and just stayed with the leaders he would fare better towards the end of the race and probs be in a better position. I suppose Biaggi was the exception to the rule though. Edit: this was for Jumks just forgot to hit the quote tab.

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Yeah, definately. But from the comfort of my lazy boy, it just looks like Sykes is putting in laps along with the leaders, not exactly trying to get away (right?) So your saying maybe he should let somebody else lead and he stays behind them? I'm not sure this will make the difference, but I suppose its worth a shot.

cliché guevara said:

i was talking about tyre brands ,for example dunlop being the tyre you wouldn't want to be on in motogp 2007

agree about the pirelli part, i'm not a big fan of what they're doing to f1 this year too.

tyres that don't go off may result in a bit more processional racing , but its no great excitement to know from the getgo "ah ok this guy is on the soft, guess he'll be handed through the pack by lap 15"

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I've never liked comparing F1 to MotoGP in any technical way. They have stop strategies, so any comparison beyond the fact that both are "considered" the pinnicle of their respective sport, is about as far as I can take any analogy. Btw, I've never been too interested in F1, but lately, since there is a Mexican in the field, I have been following for nationalistic reasons (I would also follow if there were an American, which I think may eventually be a kid named Conor Daly, keep an eye on him).



Oh, and the dude who heads F1, Bernie, what the .... is his deal? That dude looks like a total dufus, and talks like one too.

its just another example where tyres that go off heavily in very short time with little warning ruins the spectacle.of course you can't compare much else , bikes and cars are very different things

Jumkie said:

Yeah, definately. But from the comfort of my lazy boy, it just looks like Sykes is putting in laps along with the leaders, not exactly trying to get away (right?) So your saying maybe he should let somebody else lead and he stays behind them? I'm not sure this will make the difference, but I suppose its worth a shot.

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Sykes always seem to try to make a break for it if hes into the fist corner first IMO

So yeah I'm saying stay with the lead and do what Pedro did to Lollo in estoril last year.

There was a better example from WSBK last year at one of the Italian races, I think it was the two yams and Laverty stalked Melandri, Pulling out of the slip stream early just not to overtake, then a couple from the end went pop and won.

Hes definately got to try something, unless as you said in a previous post it is the electronics that are screwing him.

Melandri seems to be confused as to how Biaggi was able to effectively test the bigger tire(200??) thru the weekend, then still have two available for the race on Sunday?

How many of each tires are they allocated over the weekend?

lil red rocket pilot said:

Sykes always seem to try to make a break for it if hes into the fist corner first IMO

So yeah I'm saying stay with the lead and do what Pedro did to Lollo in estoril last year.

There was a better example from WSBK last year at one of the Italian races, I think it was the two yams and Laverty stalked Melandri, Pulling out of the slip stream early just not to overtake, then a couple from the end went pop and won.

Hes definately got to try something, unless as you said in a previous post it is the electronics that are screwing him.

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Its the rear end of the Kawasaki thats destroying tyres,they cant dial it out with the electronics as the geomitry is not as good as some,this has been a kawasaki trade mark for decades and they cant seem to stop.just two examples ive been close to KX420 1981 so bad it had a falling rate instead of rising. ZX9 so bad even with an ohlins shock and technition involved it couldnt be sorted as the s/arm pivot was in the wrong place,im not slagging the big K of its just a trait of theres.

thedeal said:

Its the rear end of the Kawasaki thats destroying tyres,they cant dial it out with the electronics as the geomitry is not as good as some,this has been a kawasaki trade mark for decades and they cant seem to stop.just two examples ive been close to KX420 1981 so bad it had a falling rate instead of rising. ZX9 so bad even with an ohlins shock and technition involved it couldnt be sorted as the s/arm pivot was in the wrong place,im not slagging the big K of its just a trait of theres.

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Cheers,

Didn't take it as a slagging, makes sense,

Do you know if they use in house electronics?

I dont know buddy as ive not been involved for a few years but from what ive seen they still have there own way of chassis design and the old hallmark of suspect tyre life and rear end issues still seam to be there, im so glad they took the team of bird and his crew as they had no hope of sorting it.There was a rumour that a national championship was won with a zx9 engine in a zx750 frame and when other teams complained the engines had to be stripped and measured but the team owner refused and took the bikes away,now this has been done since and the result was a bike that was much kinder on the tyres and didnt upset the rear end as much as the peakier 750 engine but of course its only a runour.

thedeal said:

I dont know buddy as ive not been involved for a few years but from what ive seen they still have there own way of chassis design and the old hallmark of suspect tyre life and rear end issues still seam to be there, im so glad they took the team of bird and his crew as they had no hope of sorting it.There was a rumour that a national championship was won with a zx9 engine in a zx750 frame and when other teams complained the engines had to be stripped and measured but the team owner refused and took the bikes away,now this has been done since and the result was a bike that was much kinder on the tyres and didnt upset the rear end as much as the peakier 750 engine but of course its only a runour.

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Cheers again.

Only had the oppertunity to watch WSBK last year and this myself, so new to it all really.

Finding it interesting comparing GP WSBK and BSB.

Shame there isn't a few tracks all 3 visit, although there will be Assen this year

L8Braker said:

Melandri seems to be confused as to how Biaggi was able to effectively test the bigger tire(200??) thru the weekend, then still have two available for the race on Sunday?

How many of each tires are they allocated over the weekend?

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Surely a question for Kropo. (Or BM, since he knows everything).