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WSB - Ducati officially spit the dummy

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Ducati has officially confirmed it will quit superbike racing at the end of this year unless rules change to allow 1200cc twins to race in the championship.

The Italian manufacturer insists the 1200 rules MUST be implemented within the next two months to allow it to get ready for the 2008 season.

It has given a deadline of the end of May for new regulations to be thrashed out between rival manufacturers and the sport’s governing body, the FIM.

Only last week Alstare Suzuki told MCN at Donington Park they would leave WSB and take Max Biaggi back to MotoGP if the rules were changed.

In response, Ducati race team manager Davide Tardozzi told MCN he thought Ducati would leave if they could not race their new range of 1098-series road bikes. For the first time, the official word from the top has confirmed that threat.

Ducati Corse boss Claudio Domenicali is the man in charge of all Ducati racing and road bike projects – he is the firm’s second-in- command to President Federico Minoli.

In an exclusive interview with MCN and Italian sport paper Gazzetta dello Sport over the Bank Holiday weekend, Domenicali outlined Ducati’s position.

He explained that unless Ducati is allowed to race with an 1198cc race version of the V-twin 1098 road bike, it will quit all superbike racing at the end of this season, including the domestic series it supports.

Domenicali explained: “There is no way we can continue racing in superbike with the 1000cc V-twin engine we currently use. It’s not in the spirit of superbike racing because we no longer produce a road- going 1000cc V-twin sports bike – only bigger capacity bikes. It cannot be made any simpler – we will withdraw from superbikes completely unless the rules are changed.

“The whole point of superbike racing is to race what you sell, and this is not the case any more. We always knew 2007 was going to be an interim year – we have been racing the 999R when we do not sell this bike any longer. This cannot continue after 2007.

“Ducati understands very well the importance of the spirit of superbike racing – some people think we are crazy asking for what we have been asking for in terms of the 1200 rules because we are doing so well in the World Superbike series with Troy Bayliss.

“But this is not about performance gains – this is about us being able to race under the same rules as the 1000cc four-cylinder bikes currently do. We are racing a 999cc V-twin that is effectively a prototype because of the exotic materials we are forced to use to remain competitive.”

Domenicali went on to explain the budgetary implications of being allowed to use a race-ready 1098, spoke of how much power it will make, and outlined Ducati’s willingness to submit the bike to restriction and midseason re-assessment of its competitiveness in 2008.



so - who'll leave ?

Alstare OR Ducati........................ ?
 
Neither I hope. Why not compromise and give Ducati 1100ccs? Domenicali said they couldn't race the 999 anymore, because its not what they sell. Fair enough, but they don't sell 1200cc bikes (yet) either. So they'd be switching from one prototype to another. I say let them race the 1098.
 
I hope ducati leave, who do they think they are to be setting deadlines to the governing bodies. It'll Ducati them more than it will hurt the series if Ducati leave, and really it'd only be a loss of two competative bikes.
 
ducati leaving after all these years could see other teams steer clear of WSB.other teams want to race against the best TEAMS
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 11 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>other teams want to race against the best TEAMS

Like the ones clever enough to build a bike in the optimum configuration rather than bitching about the rules
 
There is nothing at all stopping Ducati building a competitive 4 cylinder bike yet they choose not to. F 'em I say.
 
That's what I thought but it appears there is a price limit on the model that the race bike is based on. Basically the desmosedici retails too high so doesn't qualify.
 
Maybe if they used the money on the desmosedici instead of the new 1098, Ducati would have been in a better situation! As much as I love L-twins, 1098 could be the thorn in Ducati's side!

I just hope the 90-twin dose not turn into the 45-twin. Ducati, the new Harley!
 
they can take their crap and leave...and remind that SOB to get his bikes out of the BSB also... wemon.

besides...i wanna see MAX BACK.
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ducati will get there way im sure, they will not ditch the v2 for a v4 any time soon because there are a lot of duc v2 fans out there that love them and i think because of this they should continue to race them in wsb. the 1200 rule seems pretty fair to to me as they cant impose weight limits like gp because of homoligation rules.. i also think alstare is full of .... and cant afford to go to gp.
 
So what do you think Bayliss will ride after they leave?
Will he be competitive?
He doesn't seem to like Jap bikes.

I'm just stirring the pot here, nothing real.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Apr 13 2007, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So what do you think Bayliss will ride after they leave?

the bus
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I am going to guess that WSB will roll over, unlike the AMA that took their threat and shoved it up their ... and waved goodbye

Ducati announced to the press on Friday that unless new WSBK rules are ratified making the 1200cc twins legal for World Superbike ASAP they will not be racing the series next season.

After they make their threat they go out and run 1/2 second faster than anyone on the track.Go figure
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Troy Bayliss Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 999 R 1:34.599
2 Ruben Xaus Team Sterilgarda Ducati 999 R 1:35.023
3 James Toseland Hannspree Ten Kate Honda Team Honda CBR 1000RR 1:35.147
4 Noriyuki Haga Yamaha Motor Italia Yamaha YZF R1 1:35.440
5 Max Biaggi Team Alstare Suzuki Corona Extra Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K7 1:35.453
6 Troy Corser Yamaha Motor Italia Yamaha YZF R1 1:35.483
7 Lorenzo Lanzi Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 999 R 1:35.709
8 Max Neukirchner Suzuki Germany Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K6 1:35.767
9 Fonsi Nieto Kawasaki PSG-1 Corse Kawasaki ZX 10R 1:35.804
10 Karl Muggeridge Alto Evolution Honda Honda CBR 1000RR 1:35.814
11 Joshua Brookes Alto Evolution Honda Honda CBR 1000RR 1:35.856
12 Yukio Kagayama Team Alstare Suzuki Corona Extra Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K7 1:36.012
13 Giovanni Bussei Ducati 999 1:36.016
14 C. Morales Yamaha YZF-R1 1:36.032
15 Michel Fabrizio D.F.X. Treme Honda CBR 1000RR 1:36.094


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SB is the series for non prototype bikes isn't it?
Why shouldn't Ducati be allowed to race their bikes in the series?
As it is a twin it is obvious that it isn't competetive if one use the traditional limits. Displacement is simply one of many measures that can be used. Enforce a maximum valve area and rev a limit and the ducatis could compte with the same displacement as the IL4s because this is the two major differences of the two motor configurations.
Ducati was, is and will remain to be one of the more exotic and popular alternatives among fast road bikes, and the purpose of SB is to reflect that market. To force Ducati out by rules that might seem fair for the ignorants doesn't make that right.
 
It comes down to deciding if the rules should change to suit the needs of the factories because they want to make something else or if the factories should make a bike which is eligable for the series. The rules have changed plenty of times and throughout it all Ducati have always been the bike to have, yet they want it changed more in their favour.

And yeah i know that Ducati have to spend loads of money making their bike competative but that in itself reflects the road bike market perfectly. If you want to go fast using an inferior configuration you need to spend more money.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 13 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It comes down to deciding if the rules should change to suit the needs of the factories because they want to make something else or if the factories should make a bike which is eligable for the series. The rules have changed plenty of times and throughout it all Ducati have always been the bike to have, yet they want it changed more in their favour.

When will you get into your <strike>thick</strike> head that there are no such thing as an inferior configuration (or technology for that matter). If there is one it has to be the IL4 750 that has mathematically been calculated to match the V-Twin 1000, but never could. But let's leave that. There are different configurations of road bikes and the twins has been in the series for longer than most of the IL4s. Honda V4 and Ducati V-twin was the only ones competetive in the start and bumping the Twins now because of unfair rules would be a major brake in tradition. The reason for Ducati to bore up their bikes is that their road bikes must to some degree stay competetive to the IL4s.
In my opinion the rules should reflect the market. That's why they moved to 1000cc 4s, that's why it makes sense to move the limit of the twins to the current market diplacement size (of course as long as it is within competetive limits of the IL4s) This is even more important because the 999 are not even sold anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And yeah i know that Ducati have to spend loads of money making their bike competative but that in itself reflects the road bike market perfectly. If you want to go fast using an inferior configuration you need to spend more money.

I don't understand what you mean here, but I'm sure you can explain.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 13 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When will you get into your <strike>thick</strike> head that there are no such thing as an inferior configuration (or technology for that matter). If there is one it has to be the IL4 750 that has mathematically been calculated to match the V-Twin 1000, but never could.

For any set of rules there will be pros and cons for each solution and some turn out to be inferior. Like you said, the 750 fours were inferior to the 1000cc twins. As a result the factories running 750's could chose to make a more competative solution, spend more money on trying to eliminate the weaknesses of their current solution, or give up.

with the current rules the 1000cc twin is an inferior solution. As a result ducati have chosen to spend more money trying to keep up. That is the choice they have made up untill now and they are no longer happy, but instead of giving up or trying a new solution they are complaining about the rules. (remember how honda built a new bike when their solution was uncompetative and Aprillia are developing a v4 for superbike racing now).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 13 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are different configurations of road bikes and the twins has been in the series for longer than most of the IL4s.

Being in the series longer should not give them any weight over other factories, "tradition" can go so far but the rules shouldn't be altered just to allow that to continue, the rules were never modified to keep Hondas favoured V4 competative.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 13 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't understand what you mean here, but I'm sure you can explain.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 13 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In my opinion the rules should reflect the market. That's why they moved to 1000cc 4s

In the market it costs more money to get a competative twin then it does an inline four cylinder bike, so Ducati shouldn't argue that they have to spend more money than the other factories to stay competative when it actually reflects the market, something which forms another part of their argument


I'd prefer it if you didn't call me thick. Do not assume because i have formed an opinion that i am not aware of both sides of the story. I do understand your standpoint but i respectfully disagree, you should try it.
 

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