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Wings revisited

povol

povol

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We are 4 races into the season, and Honda, Ducati, nor Yamaha have raced with replacement wing technology. Have they moved on? It's not even a topic of conversation except the occasional whine from Ducati about what might have been if they had them.
 
I believe Ducati will come up with the new fairing. Their strong was always been engine power and acceleration (also braking stability?), without wings they feel wasted.

The rest will follow ducati's idea, since their strong point not in the acceleration they do not felt it must be done sooner. while waiting ducati's fairing, they can concentrate in other aspect. like electronics and chassis for hondas. chassis for yamahas to make another perfect marriage with michelin. etc.
 
I thought the winglets were replaced by air ducts with internal spoilers to create downforce, at least on the Yamaha and Honda fairings. Not sure what Ducati did after the hammerhead monstrosity. Nor any others.
 
povol said:
We are 4 races into the season, and Honda, Ducati, nor Yamaha have raced with replacement wing technology. Have they moved on? It's not even a topic of conversation except the occasional whine from Ducati about what might have been if they had them.
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Ducati is probably going to drop pursuing an alternative from what it sounds like. Making a fairing that doesn't come with the top speed reducing drag that the hammerhead fairing causes appears to be a lost cause.
 
povol said:
We are 4 races into the season, and Honda, Ducati, nor Yamaha have raced with replacement wing technology. Have they moved on? It's not even a topic of conversation except the occasional whine from Ducati about what might have been if they had them.
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Aleix Espargaro ran with Aprilia's modified fairing in qualifying, but appears to have reverted to the standard fairing for the race.
 
povol said:
We are 4 races into the season, and Honda, Ducati, nor Yamaha have raced with replacement wing technology. Have they moved on? It's not even a topic of conversation except the occasional whine from Ducati about what might have been if they had them.
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Pov, you seem to have taken an odd and rather contradictory stand on the premise of independence, freethinking, nonconformist spirit of prototype innovation, given your supposed admiration for individualist self-reliance, anti-mandated constraints, and anti-redistribution of parity. I guess you're a socialist after all, eh buddy?
 
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Jumkie said:
Pov, you seem to have taken an odd and rather contradictory stand on the premise of independence, freethinking, nonconformist spirit of prototype innovation, given your supposed admiration for individualist self-reliance, anti-mandated constraints, and anti-redistribution of parity. I guess you're a socialist after all, eh buddy?
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I guess he doesn't really believe in Ducapitalism.
 
povol said:
We are 4 races into the season, and Honda, Ducati, nor Yamaha have raced with replacement wing technology. Have they moved on? It's not even a topic of conversation except the occasional whine from Ducati about what might have been if they had them.
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Honda has used the intake for downforce for awhile. Yamaha has ducting in the upper side fairing, and Ducati is trying to figure out what to do without losing their hp and top speed advantage, like JPSLotus said. And they can't make the bikes too hard to handle, like they were last year, or JLo might be screwed with his smoother style.

If I repeat anyone's comments, it is in supporting confirmation and nothing more.
 
Jumkie said:
Pov, you seem to have taken an odd and rather contradictory stand on the premise of independence, freethinking, nonconformist spirit of prototype innovation, given your supposed admiration for individualist self-reliance, anti-mandated constraints, and anti-redistribution of parity. I guess you're a socialist after all, eh buddy?
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Vive le Zarco! | Motor Sport Magazine

I asked a question, does that mean to you that i have somehow altered my view. I was hoping someone had an answer but it came to me.

When Zarco is on the bike he most likely won’t have the 2017 aero-bodywork that could be crucial at Le Mans. The French track is wheelie city because its layout is dominated by slow corners followed by straights, so Zarco will spend the weekend fighting to keep the front wheel down, while factory riders Valentino Rossi and Maverick Viñales will have the latest anti-wheelie fairings with downforce vanes.

It makes you wonder what the other factories will have in the way of new aero at Le Mans. Aprilia, KTM, Suzuki and Yamaha have all used 2017 aero designs this season, unlike Ducati and Honda. Ducati never homologated the hammerhead fairing it tried during preseason testing but its engineers must surely know they will need something at Le Mans. Honda too.

According to Oxley, if we are going to see new aero panels, its going to be this weekend
 
povol said:
Vive le Zarco! | Motor Sport Magazine

I asked a question, does that mean to you that i have somehow altered my view. I was hoping someone had an answer but it came to me.

When Zarco is on the bike he most likely won’t have the 2017 aero-bodywork that could be crucial at Le Mans. The French track is wheelie city because its layout is dominated by slow corners followed by straights, so Zarco will spend the weekend fighting to keep the front wheel down, while factory riders Valentino Rossi and Maverick Viñales will have the latest anti-wheelie fairings with downforce vanes.

It makes you wonder what the other factories will have in the way of new aero at Le Mans. Aprilia, KTM, Suzuki and Yamaha have all used 2017 aero designs this season, unlike Ducati and Honda. Ducati never homologated the hammerhead fairing it tried during preseason testing but its engineers must surely know they will need something at Le Mans. Honda too.

According to Oxley, if we are going to see new aero panels, its going to be this weekend
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I think Zarco will beat both of them again, after all he has 2 advantages, they are he isn't going to win the championship and its home soil.
 
Dr No said:
Do they really....How's that work then?
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There is a flat spot in the front of the intake port. Notice how Honda has used different shapes for the entry. This was a reason that they were able to use smaller external wings for similar effects as the other bikes.

This was discussed last year. It is not in the obvious thread, but it was confirmed that Nakamoto said they did use the intake for downforce. And pictures of the different intakes will confirm the different shapes. I am pretty sure it was on this forum. (I might look for it again, later.)
 
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Iamapony said:
There is a flat spot in the front of the intake port. Notice how Honda has used different shapes for the entry. This was a reason that they were able to use smaller external wings for similar effects as the other bikes.

This was discussed last year. It is not in the obvious thread, but it was confirmed that Nakamoto said they did use the intake for downforce. And pictures of the different intakes will confirm the different shapes. I am pretty sure it was on this forum. (I might look for it again, later.)
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A flat spot in the intake = down force. Hmmmm.
 

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