This might have been discussed here before, but why did Rossi abandon the "Excalibur" sword helmet design he was using during preseason. I thought that was one sharp lid! The old/current helmet does match well with the Fiat Yamaha bike though...
Why did Vale ditch the sword helmet?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HopperPodium! @ Mar 18 2007, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The old/current helmet does match well with the Fiat Yamaha bike though...
There goes your answer.
There goes your answer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 17 2007, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There goes your answer.
Thanks, I figured that was why, but wasn't sure.
Thanks, I figured that was why, but wasn't sure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HopperPodium! @ Mar 18 2007, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks, I figured that was why, but wasn't sure.
No worries. Yeah, that excalibur thing was kinda cool but it wouldn't match the bike. Though, if they could find a design that would suit the helmet, why not?
No worries. Yeah, that excalibur thing was kinda cool but it wouldn't match the bike. Though, if they could find a design that would suit the helmet, why not?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HopperPodium! @ Mar 18 2007, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The old/current helmet does match well with the Fiat Yamaha bike though...
Italian = style. Non-matching stuff just won't do ...
I think the excalibur was just meant to needle Hayden a bit. And it was probably a bit of a mind sharpening thing for him to focus on the business in hand, to get into the right mind frame what he needed to achieve. At the end of last season everyone was saying that after a season like that he would fall to pieces. He was just saying he wasn't going to take it lying down I suppose. But that was done and now it's back to business. Wouldn't be surprised to see it make a comeback at some crucial point in the championship. But then again...who the hell knows what he's thinking.
Italian = style. Non-matching stuff just won't do ...
I think the excalibur was just meant to needle Hayden a bit. And it was probably a bit of a mind sharpening thing for him to focus on the business in hand, to get into the right mind frame what he needed to achieve. At the end of last season everyone was saying that after a season like that he would fall to pieces. He was just saying he wasn't going to take it lying down I suppose. But that was done and now it's back to business. Wouldn't be surprised to see it make a comeback at some crucial point in the championship. But then again...who the hell knows what he's thinking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 18 2007, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Italian = style. Non-matching stuff just won't do ...
But then again...who the hell knows what he's thinking.
Such a professional rider warrants an extremely professional marketing team!
You get the impression all these ideas burst out of 'get togethers' with Valentino and his nearest and dearest. Each idea must then be proposed in some way to the official design and marketing team, who then pick it up and run with it.
Then, maybe in another hotel lobby somewhere in the world, another idea sprouts, and the cycle continues.
If we just consider it in the personal, Valentino has always been the forerunner of style, always coming up with new helmet designs, new logos etc etc. But you have to consider that this bit of fun between mates has been harnessed, understood, and turned into a mighty income for Team Rossi. The range of merchandise is immense.
I hope I'm correct in considering these ideas do actually stem from Valentino. It's a far more romantic suggestion than the thought that it all originates from the marketing department.
But then again...who the hell knows what he's thinking.
Such a professional rider warrants an extremely professional marketing team!
You get the impression all these ideas burst out of 'get togethers' with Valentino and his nearest and dearest. Each idea must then be proposed in some way to the official design and marketing team, who then pick it up and run with it.
Then, maybe in another hotel lobby somewhere in the world, another idea sprouts, and the cycle continues.
If we just consider it in the personal, Valentino has always been the forerunner of style, always coming up with new helmet designs, new logos etc etc. But you have to consider that this bit of fun between mates has been harnessed, understood, and turned into a mighty income for Team Rossi. The range of merchandise is immense.
I hope I'm correct in considering these ideas do actually stem from Valentino. It's a far more romantic suggestion than the thought that it all originates from the marketing department.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 18 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope I'm correct in considering these ideas do actually stem from Valentino. It's a far more romantic suggestion than the thought that it all originates from the marketing department.
I guess that it was all his ideas in the beginning. Now, i'm not sure. As you said it's all part of the brand building of Rossi, and I'm sure he gets suggestions, but I don't think it's all down to marketing.
Wasn't Rossi's freedom an impotant part of his switch to Yamaha?
I think I remeber that he complaind about all the time he had to spend with sponsors, all he wasn't allowed to do and so on. IFAIK he had to fight to keep his #46 after his first 500 and 990 championships. Not to far fetched that he has words in his contract that ensure him a certain freedom/desitionright even in the logo department, at the same time I'm certain Yamaha also have a veto right to say "NO WAY you are putting on THAT".
I guess that it was all his ideas in the beginning. Now, i'm not sure. As you said it's all part of the brand building of Rossi, and I'm sure he gets suggestions, but I don't think it's all down to marketing.
Wasn't Rossi's freedom an impotant part of his switch to Yamaha?
I think I remeber that he complaind about all the time he had to spend with sponsors, all he wasn't allowed to do and so on. IFAIK he had to fight to keep his #46 after his first 500 and 990 championships. Not to far fetched that he has words in his contract that ensure him a certain freedom/desitionright even in the logo department, at the same time I'm certain Yamaha also have a veto right to say "NO WAY you are putting on THAT".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 18 2007, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess that it was all his ideas in the beginning. Now, i'm not sure. As you said it's all part of the brand building of Rossi, and I'm sure he gets suggestions, but I don't think it's all down to marketing.
Wasn't Rossi's freedom an impotant part of his switch to Yamaha?
I think I remeber that he complaind about all the time he had to spend with sponsors, all he wasn't allowed to do and so on. IFAIK he had to fight to keep his #46 after his first 500 and 990 championships. Not to far fetched that he has words in his contract that ensure him a certain freedom/desitionright even in the logo department, at the same time I'm certain Yamaha also have a veto right to say "NO WAY you are putting on THAT".
I'm probably talking more toward Team Rossi, rather than Yamaha, Honda or Aprillia. Valentino must have a fantastic business team behind him, and all these little designs and logos do not lead to any commitments other than to himself.
Of course, manufacturers' sponsors are a different matter, and no doubt the contract with Yamaha stipulates the requirement to keep the sponsors happy. But allowing Valentino to continue his tradition of different logos is simply good business sense for the whole package. Perhaps Valentino even stipulates in the contract that a certain amount of space or consideration must be given to this.
Of course, I'm only guessing. It would just make sense.
I would be suprised if Valentino openly complained about having to spend time with sponsors. I'm sure he understands the importance of their money. If this has been the case in the past, I guess it must have become pretty intrusive into what little personal life he must get.
Wasn't Rossi's freedom an impotant part of his switch to Yamaha?
I think I remeber that he complaind about all the time he had to spend with sponsors, all he wasn't allowed to do and so on. IFAIK he had to fight to keep his #46 after his first 500 and 990 championships. Not to far fetched that he has words in his contract that ensure him a certain freedom/desitionright even in the logo department, at the same time I'm certain Yamaha also have a veto right to say "NO WAY you are putting on THAT".
I'm probably talking more toward Team Rossi, rather than Yamaha, Honda or Aprillia. Valentino must have a fantastic business team behind him, and all these little designs and logos do not lead to any commitments other than to himself.
Of course, manufacturers' sponsors are a different matter, and no doubt the contract with Yamaha stipulates the requirement to keep the sponsors happy. But allowing Valentino to continue his tradition of different logos is simply good business sense for the whole package. Perhaps Valentino even stipulates in the contract that a certain amount of space or consideration must be given to this.
Of course, I'm only guessing. It would just make sense.
I would be suprised if Valentino openly complained about having to spend time with sponsors. I'm sure he understands the importance of their money. If this has been the case in the past, I guess it must have become pretty intrusive into what little personal life he must get.
The sword helmet was obviously never going to be used by Valentino for the season.
Far to dull for him!!!
(If it ain't yellow he don't like it!)
Far to dull for him!!!
(If it ain't yellow he don't like it!)
The sword is actually still on his helmet. Its not as big but its still there
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Robin @ Mar 18 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The sword is actually still on his helmet. Its not as big but its still there
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
yeah but its not the main part of the helmet design now.
The black helmet would not look good with the fiat colours.
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
yeah but its not the main part of the helmet design now.
The black helmet would not look good with the fiat colours.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Robin @ Mar 18 2007, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The sword is actually still on his helmet. Its not as big but its still there
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
Fur, the sword, the ‘sun & moon’, his pet, ‘the doctor’… how the hell does he gets it all without abrupting the bike’s sponsor design?
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
Fur, the sword, the ‘sun & moon’, his pet, ‘the doctor’… how the hell does he gets it all without abrupting the bike’s sponsor design?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Robin @ Mar 18 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The sword is actually still on his helmet. Its not as big but its still there
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
oh yeah so he does, good spot mate,cool picture,my new desktop.
http://images.yamaha-racing.com/photo/high...08175106140.jpg
Look just above the AGV logo
oh yeah so he does, good spot mate,cool picture,my new desktop.
He tends to wear a different helmet during the testing period and he talks about the sun and moon in his autobiography (the sun represents his fun, off the bike side and the moon his serious, racing side).
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 18 2007, 06:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
it's the size of a toothpick
Haha. Maybe he still had some gravel stuck in his teeth.
Haha. Maybe he still had some gravel stuck in his teeth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 19 2007, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha. Maybe he still had some gravel stuck in his teeth.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 18 2007, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Such a professional rider warrants an extremely professional marketing team!
You get the impression all these ideas burst out of 'get togethers' with Valentino and his nearest and dearest. Each idea must then be proposed in some way to the official design and marketing team, who then pick it up and run with it.
Then, maybe in another hotel lobby somewhere in the world, another idea sprouts, and the cycle continues.
If we just consider it in the personal, Valentino has always been the forerunner of style, always coming up with new helmet designs, new logos etc etc. But you have to consider that this bit of fun between mates has been harnessed, understood, and turned into a mighty income for Team Rossi. The range of merchandise is immense.
I hope I'm correct in considering these ideas do actually stem from Valentino. It's a far more romantic suggestion than the thought that it all originates from the marketing department.
I hate to rain on your parade of cynicism, actually I don't at all, but none of those designs are ever marketed. It's really only the 46 & The Doctor that are, there was never an official Che Spettacolo t shirt or anything like that. We won't see Excalibur t-shirts, keyrings etc etc It just doesn't happen.
You get the impression all these ideas burst out of 'get togethers' with Valentino and his nearest and dearest. Each idea must then be proposed in some way to the official design and marketing team, who then pick it up and run with it.
Then, maybe in another hotel lobby somewhere in the world, another idea sprouts, and the cycle continues.
If we just consider it in the personal, Valentino has always been the forerunner of style, always coming up with new helmet designs, new logos etc etc. But you have to consider that this bit of fun between mates has been harnessed, understood, and turned into a mighty income for Team Rossi. The range of merchandise is immense.
I hope I'm correct in considering these ideas do actually stem from Valentino. It's a far more romantic suggestion than the thought that it all originates from the marketing department.
I hate to rain on your parade of cynicism, actually I don't at all, but none of those designs are ever marketed. It's really only the 46 & The Doctor that are, there was never an official Che Spettacolo t shirt or anything like that. We won't see Excalibur t-shirts, keyrings etc etc It just doesn't happen.
