Who deserves a go in 2012?

Mental Anarchist · Dec 13, 2010

With potentially up to 6 new bikes on the grid in 2012 with the new CRT's and hopefully at least 2 riders leaving (Capirossi and Edwards) who do you think deserves a shot or another shot at MotoGP?

Personally I am hesitant to suggest any Italians or Spaniards because I think there are too many as it is but will suggest one only on the basis of Capirossi finally being shown the door.

To start the ball rolling:

Hopper - When I watch some of the races in the 990 era I am constantly impressed with Hopper. He always seemed to be riding above the capability of is equipment.

Iannone - I like his style and think he will do well on big bikes ridden like little bikes.

Brooks - Another Aussie is required and I have always liked his style and I think he has talent. I am unsure if his riding style would suit MotoGP but it might suit a CRT style with more fuel.

Vermulen - A good rider who never had a good bike. I don't think he got to show what he is truly capable of and as the only Suzuki winner in the 4 stroke era I think another shot on a good bike is in order.

DRILL · Dec 13, 2010

Eugene Laverty.

Symon10 · Dec 13, 2010

Mental Anarchist said:
With potentially up to 6 new bikes on the grid in 2012 with the new CRT's and hopefully at least 2 riders leaving (Capirossi and Edwards) who do you think deserves a shot or another shot at MotoGP?

obviously whoever wins Moto2 next year should be in!

Pigeon · Dec 13, 2010

DRILL said:
Eugene Laverty.

n Rea

frosty58 · Dec 13, 2010

need to see how the coming season turns out 1st...

Tom · Dec 13, 2010

Mental Anarchist said:
With potentially up to 6 new bikes on the grid in 2012 with the new CRT's and hopefully at least 2 riders leaving (Capirossi and Edwards) who do you think deserves a shot or another shot at MotoGP?

Personally I am hesitant to suggest any Italians or Spaniards because I think there are too many as it is but will suggest one only on the basis of Capirossi finally being shown the door.

To start the ball rolling:

Hopper - When I watch some of the races in the 990 era I am constantly impressed with Hopper. He always seemed to be riding above the capability of is equipment.

Iannone - I like his style and think he will do well on big bikes ridden like little bikes.

Brooks - Another Aussie is required and I have always liked his style and I think he has talent. I am unsure if his riding style would suit MotoGP but it might suit a CRT style with more fuel.

Vermulen - A good rider who never had a good bike. I don't think he got to show what he is truly capable of and as the only Suzuki winner in the 4 stroke era I think another shot on a good bike is in order.

This is just a list of people who have already failed on the world stage and been forced to move down. Except Iannone, who needs to raise the quality of his riding a lot for motogp.

Jumkie · Dec 13, 2010

Tom said:
This is just a list of people who have already failed on the world stage and been forced to move down. Except Iannone, who needs to raise the quality of his riding a lot for motogp.

Failed? Ah yes, because GP is a level playing field in the mind of Tom and others.

Hopkins would be a good bet if given the support that only 3-4 riders get in GP. But that would require a bit more profound analysis. Coming from a guy who thinks Nicky's poor results in 07-08 deserve to be squarely on the shoulders of the rider in a prototype series rife with politics and on a team that was decidedly detrimental to his results, then what better could I expect.

I'd give a looksy to the following riders:

Haslam (He reminds me of DePuniet, accepts his seats are subpar, but makes them look better than they are with sheer determination)

Biaggi (oh wait, did he fail in GP too?)

Simon (did well in M2 this year)

Iannone (did well in M2 this year)

Rea (they are already giving him a shot)

Josh Hayes (If he repeats this year as the AMA champ.)

Tom · Dec 13, 2010

Jumkie said:
Failed? Ah yes, because GP is a level playing field in the mind of Tom and others.

Jum the game hasn't changed. Those guys couldn't do whatever it is that you need to do in order to be successful when they had their foot in the door, why will they now? Hopper and Vermuellen have been injured more than not since they left motogp and have not had any success at all. Brookes has moved down to BSB from the world superbike paddock and had an encouraging amount of success, albeit not a motogp amount in my opinion. So you think some of these guys would do well if you put them on the best factory motogp bike, but do you really think they deserve that chance based on what they have done to date?

Jumkie · Dec 13, 2010

Tom said:
Jum the game hasn't changed. Those guys couldn't do whatever it is that you need to do in order to be successful when they had their foot in the door, why will they now?

So you think some of these guys would do well if you put them on the best factory motogp bike, but do you really think they deserve that chance based on what they have done to date?

Putting it this way, I can take the opinion that they were already given a shot, but I don't think its a matter of their failure. If anything, the series fails for give peeps a fair shot. To answer you last question, I guess not, since as you say, the game hasn't changed. I just feel you unfairly describe these guy's ability and accomplishments while in GP.

Tom · Dec 13, 2010

Jumkie said:
Putting it this way, I can take the opinion that they were given a shot, but I don't think its a matter of failing. If anything, the series fails for give peeps a fair shot. To answer you last question, I guess not, since as you say, the game hasn't changed. I just feel you unfairly describe these guy's ability and accomplishments while in GP.

I'll take that critisism. Failiure was harsh. They still got to premier motorcycle racing series in the world. CV won a race, Hopper was 'best of the rest' in 07. In the greater scheme of things they are some excellent achievements. I think both of those ex Suzuki riders (despite how you feel) had an opportunity to impress the right people, negotiate the right deals and make the right moves. They didn't do it. They are no longer in motogp and neither of them are fit, they may be wiser than they were then but they do not appear to be better riders.

Mental Anarchist · Dec 13, 2010

I agree that CV and Hopper had a shot and that they didn't set the world on fire but I believe they have or had as much or more talent then say Capirossi who hasn't won a race in a long time and Edwards who has never won a race.

Brooks went to BSB so he could get on a good bike and prove himself. I think he did that. I don't know how he would do but I do know he would do as well as some of the others who are currently wasting seats.

I agree that Laverty deserves a spot and I have heard a lot of good stuff about Hayes.

johnnyvvc · Dec 13, 2010

I agree with almost all riders listed above & to some degree Jum's take on a few choice elements of what goes on behind the scenes in the GP paddock although Jum, you really gotta stop reading those conspiracy theory books that Lex has been sending you. They will give you grey hair...no matter how many times you shave ya head!

Fucken ell Tom...Iannone is one mutha of a rider, if it wasnt for Elias & his vast advantage of experience Iannone would of come very close to the world tiitle - to add to the one he already has. Him & simon are the cream of the crop in moto2 along with Scott Reading me thinks.

I would like to see what Kiyo or Nori could do on 1000cc GP bike.

Lebowski · Dec 13, 2010

johnnyvvc said:
I would like to see what Kiyo or Nori could do on 1000cc GP bike.

I guess it would not be fair to regard the 2003 Aprilia RS3 Cube as a fair crack at the series but surely Nori has had his day. Great rider no doubt and fantastic to watch but he must be past his use by date for this series.

Pigeon · Dec 13, 2010

Another shout for Jnr Redding he's a young pup and doing well,lets see how #38 Bradders does the next few yrs too

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