What about bike development?

In honor to Burgues… What about bike development? Obviously in this area Burgues has most of the records, and obviously Rossi is the best rider for the last decade (putting my thoughts apart as Rossi being the GOAT). So Burgues develops the bikes with Rossi’s feedback, but he is able to perceive Rossi’s necessities and place them in the bike throughout almost all the last decade.

So I am wondering; are the other riders who achieve great results in anyway capitalizing from Burgues / Rossi’s bike development?

Seems to have happened at Honda, and now Yamaha. Rossi not only inherited Doohan’s bike, he earned it by achieving a Second and a First Championship places on a Satellite bike. After a couple of years every single rider on the grid wanted that Honda, and whoever got it and was a good enough rider, was fighting up there.

No one wanted the Yamaha. Comes along Burgue’s development and Rossi’s superb riding and great feedback and we had a winning 2005 bike with a little setback in 2006. Honda’s not so great development misses all this even though they infuse the most resources and rule changes as they could to get a bit of an advantage for their promised future young rider.

Finally all rules change, mainly 900 to 800cc and Ducati got it right first time out. But again comes along Burgues’ development and Rossi’s superb riding and great feedback and we have ‘a lot of races’ winning bike from 2008 onwards. Lorenzo is proving to be in the right place, which he has earned from his great riding.

But it has been proven to be one of the hardest tasks for Puig / Pedrosa, not only to have a fast rider and great resources. So if Lorenzo did not have Burgues / Rossi’s development under his sit (In the name of Yamaha) right now, would he be able to develop it in the near future?

I am not trying to make anybody less, and Burgues / Rossi capacities aside, it is a hidden fight going on in the likes of Lorenzo / Stoner / Pedrosa and their Chief Mechanics development capacities.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 15 2009, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi earned Doohan's bike with his smaller class riding, not with his results after he was given the bike. Also Rossi wasn't on a satellite bike, he was on full factory kit with development centred around him and the best crew in the business. Being in his own team was an advantage if anything.

What you are telling me Tom is that in 2000 Nastro Azzurro Honda had preference over Repsol YPF Honda Team (With Criville)?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 16 2009, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, credit shouldn't be taken away by any means. As i said Rossi's previous performances earned the position he was in. It's just not really applicable to try and inflate the scale of his achievements (as if they need it) by pointing out he wasn't in the 'official' team.

'Inflaiting' Rossi's Achievements? Not exactly… As I see it even today, Honda states that Elias or De Puniet have 'Full Factory Support'… I don't think it happens, any rider having the same or more support than Pedrosa or even Dovisioso today? Nice theory, but reality confirms the opposite.

And to achieve a 2nd place in a Championship on a Satellite Team is not bad; in recent years it has been done by Gibernau (2003 & 2004) and Melandri (2005), simple fact. So I am not 'Inflainting' anything at all. It is just that Repsol YPF against Nastro Azzurro… No doubt which was the real Factory Team with full Support?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 16 2009, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, Criville's issues was first of all that he through his own demads for the 00 bike got a bike that was unridable for anyone but Rossi. Rossi didn't have a single saying in the pre season construction/development but with his riding skills and burgess setup skills they made som impressive results all the while this was a disaster year for HRC/Repsol.

My point is that no matter how hard they listened to Rossi and Burgess in '00 there were little to be done with the basic design of that years unfriendly 500 and Rossi's results were not based on factory support but on a teams effort. And what a team it is.

Now here you go Babel… "Not based on factory support but on a team's effort"… I could not agree more. It has even been said on another thread that today the direction of Lorenzo's Yamaha really is based on Rossi's input. But wait, Lorenzo has 'Full Factory Support' does him? So what about Edwards and Toseland? Yamaha may say they also have 'Full Factory Support' right?

Or on Honda's case, even Dovisioso is the 'B' rider for now. It can and may change well throughout a Season, but no way has Honda depended on a newcomer's input in any Season.

So Rossi / Burgues deserve all that 2000 2nd Place (Satellite) achievement.

Compared (recently) to Gibernau & Melandri 2nds, the only difference is Rossi's was his first go on the Top Class!