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Looks like Rossi got his way:

https://motomatters.com/news/2017/06/28/dashboard_messages_approved_for_motogp.html

Interestingly Kropotkin says it's been approved from 2018, but the Crash article says some riders may start using it this weekend.

MotoGP News - MotoGP 'virtual pit boards' get green light

And already a number of riders have spoken out against it:

MotoGP News - MotoGP Germany: 'Old school' Crutchlow against dash messages

MotoGP News - Smith: Virtual pit boards ?just another way to manipulate series?

MotoGP News - MotoGP Germany: Espargaro warns: We need to be careful with dashboards

If I recall, when it was first mooted in late 2015 (iirc), Rossi was one of the few who was in support of it. It says in the Crutchlow article that most riders were in support of it, but 3 have already spoken out against it.

Bradley Smith has an opinion I share:

“I'm opposed to the fact that the guys want messages that allow them to interfere with the race,” said Smith. “The race should be natural, the race should be the riders' decision, and it shouldn't actually become like Formula 1, which can be dictated by the teams and strategies and stuff.

“Because what's the point in that? So if you're going to do that, you might as well put radios in our ears as well. I honestly don't understand the whole concept behind it, so I was against it for that reason.

“To make the strategy and call the strategy and judge on track conditions, and if someone makes a better strategy, that's for them to benefit from it, not for the team to say and then bring them in.

“Some of the best racing we've seen this year is because the riders have made the wrong strategies, and it's given other people the chance to jump on by. That's how I see it.

“At the end of the day, why have a flag-to-flag race, if you're going to have team strategies getting involved? You might as well red flag it and restart the race again. There's no point having a flag-to-flag race.”

Is this a key reason why certain riders are behind the move, to negate the random element of flag-to-flag results?

“Yes, of course,” came Smith's reply. “Because it helps them save their championship! It's just another security net to manipulate a championship into the guys only finishing on the podium are on the best bikes.
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I think fortune will still favour the brave even with dashboard messages. Often the guy who takes a chance at the right time during flag to flag races gets the W. Teams can't tell when that right time is unless someone is already out lapping quickly on slicks.
 
Terrible idea. I hate it. As has been said, It takes away the advantage of those riders who can read the conditions better than others. As soon as the crews see the lap times are faster, riders will be called in. They will also remove some of the excitement involved when it rains.
Crazy stuff.
 
Ah, democracy 101.46

Rossi has spectacularly lost points over bone headed decisions, so he wanted communication with his pit. They're gonna give him everything because nobody whines louder or threatens to quit faster than Rossi when he doesn't get what he wants.

MotoVR.
 
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Looks like Rossi got his way.
If I recall, when it was first mooted in late 2015 (iirc), Rossi was one of the few who was in support of it. It says in the Crutchlow article that most riders were in support of it, but 3 have already spoken out against it.
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I'm against it as well. Rossi's turning into a middle aged fart (I want my 10th).
I'd like to see one of those in favour have a big off due to it, before it becomes another mamby pamby F1 chicken .... party.
 
I'm against it.

Totally agree with Bradders and think it paves the way for Team Strategy to become the No1 influence.

Formula1 isn't far off being a scalectrix race in that it's just the teams placing cars in the right place, much of the time. The driver often has no clue what's going on, concerned with whether or not they'll "get the jump" in the pit stops. Dullsville.
 
I think that this idea is a progress and isn't so bad, I don't think that the MotoGP will be ever as the formula one. If there's an assistance for the riders "how could the things became wronger ? " yes maybe the victory will not depend on the pilot but also the team will have the proper celebration


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Daniele Marco said:
I think that this idea is a progress and isn't so bad, I don't think that the MotoGP will be ever as the formula one. If there's an assistance for the riders "how could the things became worst ? " yes maybe the victory will not depend on the pilot but also the team will have the proper celebration


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Daniele Marco said:
I think that this idea is a progress and isn't so bad, I don't think that the MotoGP will be ever as the formula one. If there's an assistance for the riders "how could the things became wronger ? " yes maybe the victory will not depend on the pilot but also the team will have the proper celebration


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Formula 1 started to go to .... the more the drivers were micromanaged. This move opens the door to that more and more.

Right now the messages are basic, but how long before MotoVR decides they need to be expanded on when Rossi ..... up and can't understand a message because it's not in his comically bad broken English?

One of the things that made the 2016 race at the Sachsenring so unpredictable was because there was no communication other than via pit board. Rossi ...... up, and rather than admit he was too stupid to heed the advice on his pit board, he started crying like usual to get a major rules change so he could be saved from himself.
 
Daniele Marco said:
I think that this idea is a progress and isn't so bad, I don't think that the MotoGP will be ever as the formula one. If there's an assistance for the riders "how could the things became wronger ? " yes maybe the victory will not depend on the pilot but also the team will have the proper celebration


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I like your progress argument. However, I'd like to see it have more pertinence in the "real" modern world ....... and have the riders receive the message as an SMS on their phone ...... and deal with it as they ride.
 
JPSLotus said:
Formula 1 started to go to .... the more the drivers were micromanaged. This move opens the door to that more and more.

Right now the messages are basic, but how long before MotoVR decides they need to be expanded on when Rossi ..... up and can't understand a message because it's not in his comically bad broken English?
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Agreed. Then the next step is allowing the teams to monitor and evenutally configure the bike software during the race.
 
What information can they give they don't already get from a pit board, they're always telling them to turn the traction control up or down or change the ECU mode.
 
JPSLotus said:
Formula 1 started to go to .... the more the drivers were micromanaged. This move opens the door to that more and more.



Right now the messages are basic, but how long before MotoVR decides they need to be expanded on when Rossi ..... up and can't understand a message because it's not in his comically bad broken English?



One of the things that made the 2016 race at the Sachsenring so unpredictable was because there was no communication other than via pit board. Rossi ...... up, and rather than admit he was too stupid to heed the advice on his pit board, he started crying like usual to get a major rules change so he could be saved from himself.
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yes probably Rossi had wronged at the sachsenring because he should return at the box to change the bike and if there was an advice in his pit bord probably he could arrive in the podium


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