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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Oct 18 2005, 10:45 PM)<div class='quotemain'>Hey general don't forget Max Loris Kenny wern't there and Alex went down so you can add a few places to 11th if you wanna compare it to Shakey, he did no better

Good post there Frosty
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I don't care who crashes out or breaks down. it happens every race, it is an accepted part of every race. I'm glad you chimed in with this reply though, seeing as i was kind of baiting this exact responce. lets break it down and completely to see mathematically and factually who was better. take this as you will, the numbers do not lie or hold biased opinions. I know the brits are brutally protective over their boy shakey.

First off, Biaggi WAS in it, he crashed on the first lap. I can't help if people crash. If 19 of 20 starters crash out during a race does the winner not get a win?

ok so, if we take PI:
There were 18 starters. 2 crashed out (Barros, Biaggi). Verm qualified 14th and finished 11th, only after taking tenth for a bit ahead of hopper, a seasoned veteran in my eyes.

At Malaysia, Shakey qualified 18th of 20, which is worse than 14th of 18 to begin with, statistically. Not only did verm qualify bettr in the field, he finished better. 11th out of the 18 that started. brilliant first race, imo.
How did shakey do?
I'll tell you. He finished 14th out of the 20 that started and 4 of those DNF'd. (ellison, nakano, jaques, and gibernau) so really that made it a race of 16 people and he finished 14th. do the math.

same goes for Qatar. Shakey finished 13th of 17 finishers, 2 of which weren't on the lead lap (hopper and bataini) 19 started that race. mathmatically, verm performed better still.

Whooaa General cool but, If you just say he finishes 11th thats fine, but when you compare him to another rider who competed at different GP's you do have to look at how many starters and how many DNF's to get an acurate comparison the statement you made I "don't care who crashes out or breaks down" you just can't say if you wanna make genine comparison.

But hey you did come up with the goods, top stuff, for a genuine comparison, however you have left out out one component, Vermuelin is an Aust and would have raced on PI many many times. I have a question for how many times has Shakey raced at Sepang and Qatar thats the differance it was Verm home track home town GP.

Because of that fact I think you still have to consider them equal, at the moment.

I agree the pom's been brutally protective of shakey, that comes from them not been good at much else, but you yanks are just as ridiculous over Hayden and Hopper (remember I'm kiwi from the bottom of the world you probably never heard of the place, we are the ones that don't suck up to American foreign policy)

So mate change ya bait and have another troll

I would be very surprised if Vermeulen had much if any more experience at PI than the rest of the field. Yes, he knew the track but Shakey knew Sepang and his results were not quite on par with Vermeulen's.

For the record I'm protective of Hopper and Hayden because they are the guys I watched growing up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Oct 19 2005, 02:21 AM)<div class='quotemain'>I agree the pom's been brutally protective of shakey, that comes from them not been good at much else, but you yanks are just as ridiculous over Hayden and Hopper (remember I'm kiwi from the bottom of the world you probably never heard of the place, we are the ones that don't suck up to American foreign policy)

So mate change ya bait and have another troll  
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For the record, i dislike Hopper. Another myth debunked!

and the comment of American Foreign policy is unrelated to me or this discussion. Just because the country here has a resident that does certain things his way, and 51% of the people voted for him, does not mean we all agree with him, his policies, etc. Thats an entirely new debate, but its nice to see your predjudice unwind publically. Lets keep the political garbage off the motogp area and try to stay on topic, shall we?

Max and Alex were there they just decided to bin it thats all. He would have beat KrJr and if Capirex was there then just add one spot, he would have finished 12th.

let's give Chris a chance,i cant believe he has doubter's already ,it's his first crack with an RCV,and yes a good bike, but still not a factory one,i think he will do ok,but only time will tell,he cant do much worse than past Pon's riders ?so i will say in his first season, i think he will do much better than Biaggi did,and maybe when he gets into full swing,he could be running with the factory boy's,Barry Sheene saw the tallent in Vermeulen,and if bazza says he will shine,i for one would deffinatly step back, and wait and see and give him a chance !

I think the true story regarding Chris's skill will be revealed in Turkey. It's a new track for everyone. He is still at a disadvantage since he doesn't know the bike as well but I think it will be very telling of what he is made of.

General I was just checking my bait to see how good it was.

Not to bad I thought

ahhh...back again to trying to piss of us yanks huh...
You are good at it but nobody needs to hear it...

Yeah I know Doc we can do with out that crap I'll leave you guys alone. We gonna have to find something to do over the long break till next year though. Generally nationalism can be a lot fun, depends how serious ya wanna take it.

How do i rate Vermeulen?

Future World Champ.

Well hes already world supersport champ.


a big talent.

they are all factory bikes costa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 20 2005, 09:03 AM)<div class='quotemain'>they are all factory bikes costa.
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I think what he means is that it's not a full factory works machine, but rather a factory supported satellite team. I guess you can say all are factory as in they all come from HRC or Yamaha, Ducati, etc. factory - as prototypes full on race machines, but there are certain bikes that are full factory that get the good newly developed trick bits before the others. Honda for example has Biaggi and hayden sharing these said bits and support (gibernau too?) - or at least last i checked. Everyone else had to wait for their goodies. These are the satellite teams which are not "factory". hopefully that clarifies a bit

Thanks for that General, you have saved me some time there,and next season, if Honda want to win anything, the full factory bit's will be distributed wisely !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Oct 20 2005, 12:40 AM)<div class='quotemain'>Yeah I know Doc we can do with out that crap I'll leave you guys alone.  We gonna have to find something to do over the long break till next year though.  Generally nationalism can be a lot fun, depends how serious ya wanna take it.
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Buy a race game for yu pc,you`ll love bringing out the `kid` in yourself again,Marbs.

CV signed a letter of intent with Suzuki as stated in the Silly Season post. As for wasting time buy a video game MotoGP3 for Xbox is fun!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xB Rida @ Oct 20 2005, 10:33 AM)<div class='quotemain'>CV signed a letter of intent with Suzuki as stated in the Silly Season post.  As for wasting time buy a video game MotoGP3 for Xbox is fun!
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in one month, xbox 360 hits and Motogp 2006 will be shortly after. head to teamxbox for screeners if you haven't seen yet - simply amazing!

Me son keeps pointing me to the xbox,will have to have a nose on that site.

not to get too off topic here but yeah, xbox 360 will entirely be in a league o its oen for a couple years. TeamXbox has a ton of photos, moves, etc. the graphics are breathtakingly amazing! google for team xbox and check it out!

Hey drill I got MotoGP2, and yup it does bring the kid out in me, aiting for the new MotoGP3 think it should be out now. I'm not to keen on getting a xbox or PS2