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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 24 2007, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the way i see it is , nothing and nowone lasts forever.
IF and thats a BIG IF rossi has past his best then thats just the way it is, ive injoyed watching him since 97 when he was a fresh faced kid and im gratful to him for all the entertainment he has given me, love him or loath him you must admit he rased the racing stakes with all the records he has set and broken,imo he also put a bit of fun into the sport.
having said all of that i personaly dont think he is past it quite yet and my money is still on him to win the championship,if not this year he will next year. after all he has never won a championship in his first year always his second year and this is his first 800 year. i dont think he is past it because of the person who is beating him, i will give all props to stoner and ducati for the winning package they have put together, i bet they even suprised themselves.
just think about it, stoner was not a class rider, it has even been said prior to this season that he was not fit to be in the series and here he is right at the top. before all the rossi haters and stoner fans pile into me thinking im taking glory from stoner, im not im just saying the package all came together perfectly so far, rider doing his job with perfect rides, tyres performing 100% and the ducati team/bike really uping the stakes. as apposed to rossi making some costly mistakes, bike lacking the power needed and tyres running second best to stones, motogp is a team sport and ducati are working as a team
I agree with most of what you say.He is still the best but has slipped a hair,was and is, great for the sport.Every sport needs a Super Star and he has carried GP new heights of popularity.Dont bank on your theory of winning in his 2nd year.He won the 1st season of MOTO GP on the 996
IF and thats a BIG IF rossi has past his best then thats just the way it is, ive injoyed watching him since 97 when he was a fresh faced kid and im gratful to him for all the entertainment he has given me, love him or loath him you must admit he rased the racing stakes with all the records he has set and broken,imo he also put a bit of fun into the sport.
having said all of that i personaly dont think he is past it quite yet and my money is still on him to win the championship,if not this year he will next year. after all he has never won a championship in his first year always his second year and this is his first 800 year. i dont think he is past it because of the person who is beating him, i will give all props to stoner and ducati for the winning package they have put together, i bet they even suprised themselves.
just think about it, stoner was not a class rider, it has even been said prior to this season that he was not fit to be in the series and here he is right at the top. before all the rossi haters and stoner fans pile into me thinking im taking glory from stoner, im not im just saying the package all came together perfectly so far, rider doing his job with perfect rides, tyres performing 100% and the ducati team/bike really uping the stakes. as apposed to rossi making some costly mistakes, bike lacking the power needed and tyres running second best to stones, motogp is a team sport and ducati are working as a team
I agree with most of what you say.He is still the best but has slipped a hair,was and is, great for the sport.Every sport needs a Super Star and he has carried GP new heights of popularity.Dont bank on your theory of winning in his 2nd year.He won the 1st season of MOTO GP on the 996
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 25 2007, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just think about it, stoner was not a class rider, it has even been said prior to this season that he was not fit to be in the series and here he is right at the top. before all the rossi haters and stoner fans pile into me thinking im taking glory from stoner, im not im just saying the package all came together perfectly so far, rider doing his job with perfect rides, tyres performing 100% and the ducati team/bike really uping the stakes. as apposed to rossi making some costly mistakes, bike lacking the power needed and tyres running second best to stones, motogp is a team sport and ducati are working as a team
Im interested, who said Stoner wasnt class, wasnt fit to be in the series? As far as Rossi goes, he is the only rider in a very talented field that has even touched stoners back wheel in 2 races this season. Qatar, China they both left the field behind, Stoner rode flawlessly and the relative strengths of each bike were demonstrated. Jerez, Rossi stomped them. 2 races were tyre issues, Turkey, Michelin problem, Le Man, team problem. He is not even close to being past his best, I suspect Rossi will win at Mugello, he'll be right there with the Ducati boys and I think we will see the desperation to win he showed in China.
I guess the tyre choice in Le Man was a "costly mistake", but thats the only one I'm aware of. Those races are a gamble and they got it wrong. You are absolutely correct that this is a team sport, so why does everyone put it all on the rider?
Im interested, who said Stoner wasnt class, wasnt fit to be in the series? As far as Rossi goes, he is the only rider in a very talented field that has even touched stoners back wheel in 2 races this season. Qatar, China they both left the field behind, Stoner rode flawlessly and the relative strengths of each bike were demonstrated. Jerez, Rossi stomped them. 2 races were tyre issues, Turkey, Michelin problem, Le Man, team problem. He is not even close to being past his best, I suspect Rossi will win at Mugello, he'll be right there with the Ducati boys and I think we will see the desperation to win he showed in China.
I guess the tyre choice in Le Man was a "costly mistake", but thats the only one I'm aware of. Those races are a gamble and they got it wrong. You are absolutely correct that this is a team sport, so why does everyone put it all on the rider?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ May 23 2007, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, I agree with you 100%
Stoner has a Ducati, which is so fast down those straights. Rossi has a Yamaha, which he's great in corners with. Now, a lot of the tracks they're been to so far have had long straights. No one can determine Rossi's way of racing until we've been to a track with lots of corners and fairly easy straights. See how well the Ducati works then.
I can't wait until Sachsenring, should be great
Yeah what if it rains ?? I dont remember the Le Mans having a long stright !!
so now are you going to say Casey is better on long straights and in the rain your soon to run out of reasons as to why Casey is doing better im sure its going to hurt like hell when you just going to have to admit that Stoner has everything covered !!!
Stoner has a Ducati, which is so fast down those straights. Rossi has a Yamaha, which he's great in corners with. Now, a lot of the tracks they're been to so far have had long straights. No one can determine Rossi's way of racing until we've been to a track with lots of corners and fairly easy straights. See how well the Ducati works then.
I can't wait until Sachsenring, should be great
Yeah what if it rains ?? I dont remember the Le Mans having a long stright !!
so now are you going to say Casey is better on long straights and in the rain your soon to run out of reasons as to why Casey is doing better im sure its going to hurt like hell when you just going to have to admit that Stoner has everything covered !!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 24 2007, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dont bank on your theory of winning in his 2nd year.He won the 1st season of MOTO GP on the 996
996.....
rossis career will be over when he does a sete & just sez i've had enough. no matter how u feel about him it'll be a sad day imo when he decides to leave.
rossis career will be over when he does a sete & just sez i've had enough. no matter how u feel about him it'll be a sad day imo when he decides to leave.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Louise @ May 23 2007, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner has a Ducati, which is so fast down those straights.
yes but what about france, the ducati isnt built for that track yet he still rode well especially round the twisty sections. i think casey has found his home at ducati and he will now start to grow and start winning races, consistently.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 23 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well this is what i think..............
So far this season Stoner has ridden better than Rossi.
Rossi is past his best, and is not as good as he used to be. However he is still the best (or 2nd best) rider out there.
Rossi should never be counted out. It would be foolish to bet against him to win any individual race, and even the title. We know by now he can do some very special things.
Rossi is overall a better rider than stoner, he has 7 world titles and years more experience. But that isn't relevant to this seasons form so far.
Rossi is the best rider of all time.
Rossi is great for our sport, him leaving will be very sad, but I'll get over it and be happy i saw the man race (and win).
Rossi is almost always a good sportsman, and often very gracious in both victory and defeat.
yup this is about the best argument i have heard. i think Rossi is still the best rider despite stoner winning more times than he this season. until someone comes along with the skill he has at all the circuits and in all weathers, he is still the man to beat.
yes but what about france, the ducati isnt built for that track yet he still rode well especially round the twisty sections. i think casey has found his home at ducati and he will now start to grow and start winning races, consistently.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 23 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well this is what i think..............
So far this season Stoner has ridden better than Rossi.
Rossi is past his best, and is not as good as he used to be. However he is still the best (or 2nd best) rider out there.
Rossi should never be counted out. It would be foolish to bet against him to win any individual race, and even the title. We know by now he can do some very special things.
Rossi is overall a better rider than stoner, he has 7 world titles and years more experience. But that isn't relevant to this seasons form so far.
Rossi is the best rider of all time.
Rossi is great for our sport, him leaving will be very sad, but I'll get over it and be happy i saw the man race (and win).
Rossi is almost always a good sportsman, and often very gracious in both victory and defeat.
yup this is about the best argument i have heard. i think Rossi is still the best rider despite stoner winning more times than he this season. until someone comes along with the skill he has at all the circuits and in all weathers, he is still the man to beat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz83s @ May 25 2007, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah what if it rains ?? I dont remember the Le Mans having a long stright !!
so now are you going to say Casey is better on long straights and in the rain your soon to run out of reasons as to why Casey is doing better im sure its going to hurt like hell when you just going to have to admit that Stoner has everything covered !!!
Oh sorry, about Le Mans, did Casey win there? I must have missed something
so now are you going to say Casey is better on long straights and in the rain your soon to run out of reasons as to why Casey is doing better im sure its going to hurt like hell when you just going to have to admit that Stoner has everything covered !!!
Oh sorry, about Le Mans, did Casey win there? I must have missed something
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 25 2007, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
996.....
rossis career will be over when he does a sete & just sez i've had enough. no matter how u feel about him it'll be a sad day imo when he decides to leave.
Woops,990.Had just read an article about Ducati.
rossis career will be over when he does a sete & just sez i've had enough. no matter how u feel about him it'll be a sad day imo when he decides to leave.
Woops,990.Had just read an article about Ducati.
