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hmmm...Hayden's time was set on the 2k7 with a 16.5" tire....damn...was his fault though he chose the 16" tire for the weekend.
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1. Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro 1:32.348 26
2. Nicky Hayden Repsol Honda 1:33.176 26
3. Chris Vermeulen Rizla Suzuki 1:33.186 49
4. Loris Capirossi Rizla Suzuki 1:33.266 34
5. Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda 1:33.387 35
6. Toni Elias Pramac d'Antin 1:33.508 42
7. Randy de Puniet Honda LCR 1:33.563 59
8. Shinya Nakano Honda Gresini 1:33.901 46
9. John Hopkins Kawasaki 1:34.277 43
10. Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha 1:34.330 50
11. Sylvain Guintoli Pramac d'Antin 1:34.367 45
12. Marco Melandri Ducati Marlboro 1:34.433 44
13. Alex de Angelis Honda Gresini 1:34.471 47
14. Andrea Dovizioso JiR Team Scot 1:34.760 48
15. Nobu Aoki Rizla Suzuki 1:35.564 48
16. Olivier Jacque Kawasaki 1:35.727 50
17. Vittoriano Guareschi Ducati Marlboro 1:36.115 29
2. Nicky Hayden Repsol Honda 1:33.176 26
3. Chris Vermeulen Rizla Suzuki 1:33.186 49
4. Loris Capirossi Rizla Suzuki 1:33.266 34
5. Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda 1:33.387 35
6. Toni Elias Pramac d'Antin 1:33.508 42
7. Randy de Puniet Honda LCR 1:33.563 59
8. Shinya Nakano Honda Gresini 1:33.901 46
9. John Hopkins Kawasaki 1:34.277 43
10. Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha 1:34.330 50
11. Sylvain Guintoli Pramac d'Antin 1:34.367 45
12. Marco Melandri Ducati Marlboro 1:34.433 44
13. Alex de Angelis Honda Gresini 1:34.471 47
14. Andrea Dovizioso JiR Team Scot 1:34.760 48
15. Nobu Aoki Rizla Suzuki 1:35.564 48
16. Olivier Jacque Kawasaki 1:35.727 50
17. Vittoriano Guareschi Ducati Marlboro 1:36.115 29
Was Dani the only one on the 08 bike? It's not too bad for a fist day with it.
Capi was pretty fast, I thought he was finished, but he was almost as quick as CV. Maybe I was wrong, we'll see in the future.
Elías was quick too with the D'Antin Ducati! I think I'm gonna support Toni a lot in 08!!
Randy was pretty good too, fastest of the Honda satellites.
Hopkins was uninmpressive, too early to make a judgement though
Lorenzo was good too, quickest of the 250cc rookie lot, would have been interesting if there were other Yamahas around to compare.
Guintoli not bad.
Melandri was BAD, over 2 seconds slower than Casey on the same bike.
DeAngelis a bit faster than Dovi on the satellite Hondas (Dovi myth might finally break)
And not much more, the test riders are obviously slower, thought that Guareschi guy must be a really brilliant test rider, cause man he is SO slow almost as slow as Schumacher!
Capi was pretty fast, I thought he was finished, but he was almost as quick as CV. Maybe I was wrong, we'll see in the future.
Elías was quick too with the D'Antin Ducati! I think I'm gonna support Toni a lot in 08!!
Randy was pretty good too, fastest of the Honda satellites.
Hopkins was uninmpressive, too early to make a judgement though
Lorenzo was good too, quickest of the 250cc rookie lot, would have been interesting if there were other Yamahas around to compare.
Guintoli not bad.
Melandri was BAD, over 2 seconds slower than Casey on the same bike.
DeAngelis a bit faster than Dovi on the satellite Hondas (Dovi myth might finally break)
And not much more, the test riders are obviously slower, thought that Guareschi guy must be a really brilliant test rider, cause man he is SO slow almost as slow as Schumacher!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Nov 7 2007, 07:01 AM) [snapback]99292[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
God I hope Marco gets to grip with the rossa!!!
so if this year if marco doesnt come close to stoner, will it finally put an end to the debate its the "rider not the bike"?
also forgot to add
18. Michael Schumacher 1.37's
God I hope Marco gets to grip with the rossa!!!
so if this year if marco doesnt come close to stoner, will it finally put an end to the debate its the "rider not the bike"?
also forgot to add
18. Michael Schumacher 1.37's
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 6 2007, 08:27 PM) [snapback]99294[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so if this year if marco doesnt come close to stoner, will it finally put an end to the debate its the "rider not the bike"?
i guess so because i know Melandri is a top rider but lets give him time on the bike first hes just got on it.
so if this year if marco doesnt come close to stoner, will it finally put an end to the debate its the "rider not the bike"?
i guess so because i know Melandri is a top rider but lets give him time on the bike first hes just got on it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 6 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]99294[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so if this year if marco doesnt come close to stoner, will it finally put an end to the debate its the "rider not the bike"?
No.
The Ducati rider did not show any kind of talent that Pedrosa and Rossi demonstarted again and again. Show me starting from 13th place and winning a race! If every one was riding like the Ducati rider, moto GP will be 10 times as boring as F1.
so if this year if marco doesnt come close to stoner, will it finally put an end to the debate its the "rider not the bike"?
No.
The Ducati rider did not show any kind of talent that Pedrosa and Rossi demonstarted again and again. Show me starting from 13th place and winning a race! If every one was riding like the Ducati rider, moto GP will be 10 times as boring as F1.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 6 2007, 08:40 PM) [snapback]99296[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i guess so because i know Melandri is a top rider but lets give him time on the bike first hes just got on it.
Agreed. New bike, new team. He's got a winter to learn it too.
i guess so because i know Melandri is a top rider but lets give him time on the bike first hes just got on it.
Agreed. New bike, new team. He's got a winter to learn it too.
stoner was fast with the ducati, straight off the bat last season. so time will tell if melandri will be. but people wont be satisfied till rossi is on the ducati. i hope to see rossi on it in 2010..... by then stoner would of improved another 2 years and well rossi would be 30. so the next excuse would be rossi isnt in his prime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 6 2007, 08:50 PM) [snapback]99301[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
stoner was fast with the ducati, straight off the bat last season. so time will tell if melandri will be. but people wont be satisfied till rossi is on the ducati. i hope to see rossi on it in 2010..... by then stoner would of improved another 2 years and well rossi would be 30. so the next excuse would be rossi isnt in his prime.
By then stoner will be in his mid 20's, unable to improve much.
stoner was fast with the ducati, straight off the bat last season. so time will tell if melandri will be. but people wont be satisfied till rossi is on the ducati. i hope to see rossi on it in 2010..... by then stoner would of improved another 2 years and well rossi would be 30. so the next excuse would be rossi isnt in his prime.
By then stoner will be in his mid 20's, unable to improve much.
Rossi will never race for Ducati they couldn't afford his salary and whats to say they will still be on top in 2010.
I doubt they will because Honda have bigger bucks and better engineers.
The Yam is gonna struggle for the forseeable future with their technical outlook and with it getting more difficult for the rider to make the difference i can not say the future is looking good. They better try everything to win the champ next year or it might become impossibility.
I doubt they will because Honda have bigger bucks and better engineers.
The Yam is gonna struggle for the forseeable future with their technical outlook and with it getting more difficult for the rider to make the difference i can not say the future is looking good. They better try everything to win the champ next year or it might become impossibility.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evolution @ Nov 6 2007, 08:44 PM) [snapback]99298[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
No.
The Ducati rider did not show any kind of talent that Pedrosa and Rossi demonstarted again and again. Show me starting from 13th place and winning a race! If every one was riding like the Ducati rider, moto GP will be 10 times as boring as F1.
Hard to win from 13th place if you always start from the front two rows of the grid. I don't think anyone except rossi does that sort of thing in the dry anymore, and even then they must have made mistakes with the set-up during qualifying or he would not have been so far back.
At this stage pedrosa and stoner seem to be about equivalent talent wise, and both seem to prefer dominating from the front. Stoner is better in the wet, and actually did get shuffled well back in one of the wet races this year and quickly made his way back to the front.
No.
The Ducati rider did not show any kind of talent that Pedrosa and Rossi demonstarted again and again. Show me starting from 13th place and winning a race! If every one was riding like the Ducati rider, moto GP will be 10 times as boring as F1.
Hard to win from 13th place if you always start from the front two rows of the grid. I don't think anyone except rossi does that sort of thing in the dry anymore, and even then they must have made mistakes with the set-up during qualifying or he would not have been so far back.
At this stage pedrosa and stoner seem to be about equivalent talent wise, and both seem to prefer dominating from the front. Stoner is better in the wet, and actually did get shuffled well back in one of the wet races this year and quickly made his way back to the front.
I have to say it again.... Watch the 250 Championship from a couple of years back...
Pedrosa, Stoner, DeAngelis, Dovi, Lorenzo, Depuniet.
DeAngelis is really good. I am expecting good things from him and Dovi.. Dovizioso has not had a solid bike yet. I would love to see him on a real factory backed ride and top tyres...
Time will tell.
Pedrosa, Stoner, DeAngelis, Dovi, Lorenzo, Depuniet.
DeAngelis is really good. I am expecting good things from him and Dovi.. Dovizioso has not had a solid bike yet. I would love to see him on a real factory backed ride and top tyres...
Time will tell.
