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I just read it in the newspaper yeah, terrible what happend! imo, it is ridiculous that riders can still race on that isle, but those riders, and the audience too, have a freedom and the right to participate in it or not. but seriously, what needs to happen before someone takes action?? don't cancel the TT, but at least make it saver
But nowhere else in the entire world would it be permitted as safe for both riders and spectators. It's a time warp. Very sad really.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Jun 9 2007, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>don't cancel the TT, but at least make it saver
to be honest, I don't see how.
sad sad news.
the problem is that they cant make it too much safer coz it is the unique risk involved in it that makes it such an unique event and attracts the riders and crowds to come and see it.
the problem is that they cant make it too much safer coz it is the unique risk involved in it that makes it such an unique event and attracts the riders and crowds to come and see it.
^ Indeed, The riders know the risk, but surely things should be changed to make it that bit safer for the spectators.
RIP
RIP
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Jun 10 2007, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^ Indeed, The riders know the risk, but surely things should be changed to make it that bit safer for the spectators.
RIP
how though putting up any barriers to protect spectators would make it less safe for the riders.
RIP indeed.
RIP
how though putting up any barriers to protect spectators would make it less safe for the riders.
RIP indeed.
Its already started.... I don't believe this event is allowed to run. I don't believe the TT organisers haven't yet been taken to court for death by negligence. The TT was fine for a hundred years ago when a powerful bike went 70mph, but on bikes that set average paces of 120mph, its just not safe and its just not right.
RIP to the rider and spectators involved, and best wishes to the six spectators and rider who are in hospital after another crash, and to the two seriously injured marshalls from another crash.
RIP to the rider and spectators involved, and best wishes to the six spectators and rider who are in hospital after another crash, and to the two seriously injured marshalls from another crash.
This is sad and stupid. Just as tracks in GP have been modified to handle quicker more powerful machines, they needed to this at the TT. Problem is they cant do ..... If the track cant handle modern machines then bye bye TT.
No event is worth anyones life. The TT has to go, the bikes aint getting any slower.
No event is worth anyones life. The TT has to go, the bikes aint getting any slower.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jun 11 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is sad and stupid. Just as tracks in GP have been modified to handle quicker more powerful machines, they needed to this at the TT. Problem is they cant do ..... If the track cant handle modern machines then bye bye TT.
No event is worth anyones life. The TT has to go, the bikes aint getting any slower.
WTF....how can you modify public roads to make them as safe as a GP track?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 9 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But nowhere else in the entire world would it be permitted as safe for both riders and spectators. It's a time warp. Very sad really.
I'm surprised to hear this coming from you of all people.
What the hell is the NW200 then? Some little pootle track?
No event is worth anyones life. The TT has to go, the bikes aint getting any slower.
WTF....how can you modify public roads to make them as safe as a GP track?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 9 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But nowhere else in the entire world would it be permitted as safe for both riders and spectators. It's a time warp. Very sad really.
I'm surprised to hear this coming from you of all people.
What the hell is the NW200 then? Some little pootle track?
Very sad news to hear, and predictably many of you are saying the TT should be banned. The TT is a completely individual, beautiful and hugely thrilling event for spectators and competitors. Unfortunately the most significant factor that makes the races so brilliant is danger. The very same danger that brings sad news like this and that makes the tt hard to take, but ultimately that is the catch with motorsport.
Many people complain about grand prix racing not being as glorious as it was in the past because the bikes are too easy to ride, the circuits are boring, the riders arn't real heros anymore and the entire system is run by money. This is not the case at all with the TT, it has stuck to its roots throughout. The health and safety PC world has moved on but the TT hasn't, and due to the nature of the track it basically can't.
I don't think it's too smart for people to say that the tt should be banned because it is too dangerous and such because all the principles used for that argument can be applied to all motorsports, the only difference being the standard at which you apply these principles. And who are you to force your standards onto other people? Imagine how you would feel if a lot of protesters and politicians decided that motogp, or even all motorsports were too dangerous, and banned it all. I for one would be pretty pissed off about that. I think it is best to leave the judgement to those who choose to compete in or spectate at the TT. If you feel it is too dangerous, stay away and you will remain safe. I think the best action that can be taken is to make people more aware of the risks and educate spectators more about what they are doing.
I am confident that the TT wont be banned anytime soon anyway, because the TT has ben around longer than those with the power to stop it (unless they govern the country from beyond the grave), and the politicians are probably mostly at ease with the event, and many probably enjoy it and embrace it year in year out. On top of that the entry lists are all over subscribed and thousands of people still flock to the island to appreciate the show. I know i will be going back in the future.
My thoughts go out to the families of those involved in the incidents last week.
Many people complain about grand prix racing not being as glorious as it was in the past because the bikes are too easy to ride, the circuits are boring, the riders arn't real heros anymore and the entire system is run by money. This is not the case at all with the TT, it has stuck to its roots throughout. The health and safety PC world has moved on but the TT hasn't, and due to the nature of the track it basically can't.
I don't think it's too smart for people to say that the tt should be banned because it is too dangerous and such because all the principles used for that argument can be applied to all motorsports, the only difference being the standard at which you apply these principles. And who are you to force your standards onto other people? Imagine how you would feel if a lot of protesters and politicians decided that motogp, or even all motorsports were too dangerous, and banned it all. I for one would be pretty pissed off about that. I think it is best to leave the judgement to those who choose to compete in or spectate at the TT. If you feel it is too dangerous, stay away and you will remain safe. I think the best action that can be taken is to make people more aware of the risks and educate spectators more about what they are doing.
I am confident that the TT wont be banned anytime soon anyway, because the TT has ben around longer than those with the power to stop it (unless they govern the country from beyond the grave), and the politicians are probably mostly at ease with the event, and many probably enjoy it and embrace it year in year out. On top of that the entry lists are all over subscribed and thousands of people still flock to the island to appreciate the show. I know i will be going back in the future.
My thoughts go out to the families of those involved in the incidents last week.
i dont think the TT should be banned,
yes it's dangorus as is all motorsport ,but its upto the individual riders how fast they choose to go,
where upto 128mph average speed now and i really cant see how it will be possable to go any faster there but i expect they said that 50 years ago. joe dunlop ruled the manx but he was killed on a race track in estonia not the i.o.m tt.
its always very sad when people loose there lives but please people, dont join the band of do-gooders that would see all motorsport banned because thats where it would aventualy lead if event like this were banned.
its the riders choice to compete and its the riders choice how fast he wants to ride. more riders are killed daily on our roads than the tt , so would you ban motorcycles ?
yes it's dangorus as is all motorsport ,but its upto the individual riders how fast they choose to go,
where upto 128mph average speed now and i really cant see how it will be possable to go any faster there but i expect they said that 50 years ago. joe dunlop ruled the manx but he was killed on a race track in estonia not the i.o.m tt.
its always very sad when people loose there lives but please people, dont join the band of do-gooders that would see all motorsport banned because thats where it would aventualy lead if event like this were banned.
its the riders choice to compete and its the riders choice how fast he wants to ride. more riders are killed daily on our roads than the tt , so would you ban motorcycles ?
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I dunno what can be done to the TT. It's as mad as ...., and thats why folks do it. Sanitize it, and we lose what its all about. Ban it and where do we stop.? Try and slow it down? Scottish ace Jack Gow was killed on a classic (Petty Manx Norton I think) 11 years ago, and he knew the place well.
God knows what can be done with the TT!!!!!!!!!!!
Pete
God knows what can be done with the TT!!!!!!!!!!!
Pete
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 11 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF....how can you modify public roads to make them as safe as a GP track?
I'm surprised to hear this coming from you of all people.
And I wrote "Problem is they cant do ....".
If you read the rest of the post I stated you cant make the track as safe as GP, thats the point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 11 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its always very sad when people loose there lives but please people, dont join the band of do-gooders that would see all motorsport banned because thats where it would aventualy lead if event like this were banned.
Who is jumping on the ban all motorsport bandwagon? It would lead to a blanket ban because one event was stopped? Bit of a leap there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 11 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Many people complain about grand prix racing not being as glorious as it was in the past because the bikes are too easy to ride, the circuits are boring, the riders arn't real heros anymore and the entire system is run by money. This is not the case at all with the TT, it has stuck to its roots throughout. The health and safety PC world has moved on but the TT hasn't, and due to the nature of the track it basically can't.
So nothing should be done because the TT has roots and the rest of the world including the GP riders themselves who form a safety commission and request changes to tracks are PC? Maybe there's a reason no top superbike or GP riders go near the place.
This event needs to be managed to ensure the safety of the spectators. Its is not acceptable that a riders mistake or mechanical failure could cause the death of a fan. If the TT organisers can't ensure the safety of the spectators then it should be banned.
I think the riders must be crazy as all .... to be doing it, I watched the Superstock race for Anstey and to see him slinging that bike around was a thing of beauty. He's put himself in a dangerous situation by his own choice and I respect that. Keep it safe for me or you to watch and it can carry along its merry way.
I'm surprised to hear this coming from you of all people.
And I wrote "Problem is they cant do ....".
If you read the rest of the post I stated you cant make the track as safe as GP, thats the point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 11 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its always very sad when people loose there lives but please people, dont join the band of do-gooders that would see all motorsport banned because thats where it would aventualy lead if event like this were banned.
Who is jumping on the ban all motorsport bandwagon? It would lead to a blanket ban because one event was stopped? Bit of a leap there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 11 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Many people complain about grand prix racing not being as glorious as it was in the past because the bikes are too easy to ride, the circuits are boring, the riders arn't real heros anymore and the entire system is run by money. This is not the case at all with the TT, it has stuck to its roots throughout. The health and safety PC world has moved on but the TT hasn't, and due to the nature of the track it basically can't.
So nothing should be done because the TT has roots and the rest of the world including the GP riders themselves who form a safety commission and request changes to tracks are PC? Maybe there's a reason no top superbike or GP riders go near the place.
This event needs to be managed to ensure the safety of the spectators. Its is not acceptable that a riders mistake or mechanical failure could cause the death of a fan. If the TT organisers can't ensure the safety of the spectators then it should be banned.
I think the riders must be crazy as all .... to be doing it, I watched the Superstock race for Anstey and to see him slinging that bike around was a thing of beauty. He's put himself in a dangerous situation by his own choice and I respect that. Keep it safe for me or you to watch and it can carry along its merry way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 11 2007, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm surprised to hear this coming from you of all people.
What the hell is the NW200 then? Some little pootle track?Why surprised at me Phleg? Man, I'm totally opposed to road racing on closed roads, have been for nearly 10 years, no matter where it is.
This is why...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jun 11 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No event is worth anyones life.
It's very simple.
What the hell is the NW200 then? Some little pootle track?Why surprised at me Phleg? Man, I'm totally opposed to road racing on closed roads, have been for nearly 10 years, no matter where it is.
This is why...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jun 11 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No event is worth anyones life.
It's very simple.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jun 12 2007, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. So nothing should be done because the TT has roots and the rest of the world including the GP riders themselves who form a safety commission and request changes to tracks are PC? Maybe there's a reason no top superbike or GP riders go near the place.
2 This event needs to be managed to ensure the safety of the spectators. Its is not acceptable that a riders mistake or mechanical failure could cause the death of a fan. If the TT organisers can't ensure the safety of the spectators then it should be banned.
1. I said the TT can't move on because of the nature of the course, i'm sure the riders want it to be safer and small measures are made all the time, but nobody wants to see it choked down to a closed circuit or have the track butchered. That would take away the TT's appeal.
2. It is impossible to ensure the safety of spectators at a motorsport event. We all know motorsport can be dangerous, but reasonable measures are taken to keep people safe at the TT. But again, being able to get so close to the action makes the TT a special event for the spectators as well as riders, its truly thrilling to watch and nowhere else can you get so close to the action and with that comes obvious risks. All the people there know what they are watching and the majority of people (with help from the marshalls) sit in the safest and most sensible positions they can. Of course some accidents are unavoidable but its not like i've never seen a car hop a safety fence and go into the crowd at a circuit race.
2 This event needs to be managed to ensure the safety of the spectators. Its is not acceptable that a riders mistake or mechanical failure could cause the death of a fan. If the TT organisers can't ensure the safety of the spectators then it should be banned.
1. I said the TT can't move on because of the nature of the course, i'm sure the riders want it to be safer and small measures are made all the time, but nobody wants to see it choked down to a closed circuit or have the track butchered. That would take away the TT's appeal.
2. It is impossible to ensure the safety of spectators at a motorsport event. We all know motorsport can be dangerous, but reasonable measures are taken to keep people safe at the TT. But again, being able to get so close to the action makes the TT a special event for the spectators as well as riders, its truly thrilling to watch and nowhere else can you get so close to the action and with that comes obvious risks. All the people there know what they are watching and the majority of people (with help from the marshalls) sit in the safest and most sensible positions they can. Of course some accidents are unavoidable but its not like i've never seen a car hop a safety fence and go into the crowd at a circuit race.
