to many rider aids

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Dec 17 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]104615[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Irrespective of when it was said it is still basically a "flawed piece of stupidity" I therefore don't thnk Rossi said it.

As big al said it was referring to a story the day before from motorcycle news which was on their website also undated with a few additional "quotes". Particularly given what our european friends think about mcn you and he are probably right in being sceptical that he ever said anything of the sort.

i saw an article somewhere, there was two pictures one with rossi with tc and one with out, same corner same track the difference was amazing.
the first picture had rossi sideways out of the corner about 3 ft away from the rumble stripe, the second had rossi straight riding on the middle of the rumble strip no slide. the differnce to look at was significant.

anyone else seen this picture i think it was MCN but cant be sure

http://images.sportrider.com/tech/146_0603...ntino_rossi.jpg[/img]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigAl @ Dec 17 2007, 10:22 AM) [snapback]104609[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
like i said before, ....... journos....


they're not all bad, but the team at MCN do suck.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ninja10 @ Dec 17 2007, 02:15 PM) [snapback]104620[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i saw an article somewhere, there was two pictures one with rossi with tc and one with out, same corner same track the difference was amazing.
the first picture had rossi sideways out of the corner about 3 ft away from the rumble stripe, the second had rossi straight riding on the middle of the rumble strip no slide. the differnce to look at was significant.

anyone else seen this picture i think it was MCN but cant be sure




I saw it too ninja but I didn't see the relevance to the traction control argument. It looked to be more about the difference between 990 and 800. The 990 was more to the inside but spinning and picked up, typical of squaring off a turn on the bigger bike. The 800 was out on the strips, but totally in line with more lean angle, typical of the opposite approach, higher corner speed a la 250. In fact it may as well have been a 250/500 comparison becuase it didn't prove .... about traction control to my eyes. It never ceases to amaze how much in love with Rossi MCN actually are. But whatever I say don't prove anything either 2008 will be the year we see who's really got it. To be honest, I'm sort of leaning towards hoping Rossi wins it, he's almost the underdog and I always have to support the underdog, just can't help it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> "Casey (Stoner) has done an amazing job and he is a great rider. But he is the first of the traction control generation," Rossi told Motor Cycle News. "The way he uses traction control is amazing.

he might be saying this because Stoner crashed a lot last year, and this year he rode perfectly. So TC suits him. just guessing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Dec 17 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]104605[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The most amazing aspect of stoner's championship particularly given his past record is that he virtually did not make a riding error during a race.


yea, if he made a mistake it was always in practice.

i cant believe how so many people take a simple sentance and turning it to an argument.
how can you not see thats all he was saying is that casey is one of the traction control generation in motogp, i didnt see casey riding a gp bike before TC , yes rossi was around when it came in but that all he is saying is that he is used to old habbits and that casey does use the TC to an advantage in a amazing way, sounds more of a compliment rather than critisism to me, it was probably doing some good for rossi and others in the beggining but now TC is taking to much away from there own judgement (same for capi and marco), they could know in there head there own limit but when the TC kicks in before that surley it would be more of a hinderance than a help.

thats all he was saying that for him marco and capi old habbits are just to hard to loose.

just like when you play games on a pc, if you play the same game on a console it doesnt feel rite because your used to the pc, yes you can learn to play the console aswell but you will still like the pc more.
you can learn to play both but you will prefer and be better on one than the other.
same for the riders they prefer and perform better on one than the other and that just happens to be the ones without TC which is the ones they prefer or learned on or ones they can race better on.

I would be all for rider aids if it helped racing, i don't care if it gives anyone a n advantage or disadvantage.

But it doesn't look like it helps, it's made the racing closer but not better. (depends if you like single file racing)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rossifan @ Dec 18 2007, 04:33 AM) [snapback]104623[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he might be saying this because Stoner crashed a lot last year, and this year he rode perfectly. So TC suits him. just guessing.


SO are you saying the LCR had no traction control?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Dec 18 2007, 12:15 AM) [snapback]104668[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
SO are you saying the LCR had no traction control?


990 vs 800... different machines.

funny that when they changed from 500cc to 4stroke, he never said oh its now too easy, so long as hes winning he dont care. he knows the best rider will win. now he not winning hes worse than the wife from hell

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Dec 18 2007, 10:23 AM) [snapback]104684[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
funny that when they changed from 500cc to 4stroke, he never said oh its now too easy, so long as hes winning he dont care. he knows the best rider will win. now he not winning hes worse than the wife from hell


yea 990 was too easy for Vale, winning with two different manufacturers in a short space of time