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behold the new order! the 600 replacement of the 250s!
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behold the new order! the 600 replacement of the 250s!
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I think that bike looks pretty cool, and i remain optimistic that the class will work well. I just hope as many of the potential entries as possible materialize. Trouble is one of these little specialists is unlikely to enter dozens of bikes like aprilia do now, so its gonna take a lot of manufacturers to fill the grid.
I also found the piece below about KTM trying KERS quite interesting.
I also found the piece below about KTM trying KERS quite interesting.
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First Moto2 Prototype Officially Presented In Spain
Submitted by Kropotkin on Tue, 2009-02-03 16:17.
in Honda 250
Since the announcement that the 600cc four-stroke Moto2 class would be replacing the 250cc class as of 2011, controversy and debate has raged over just about every aspect of the class. Is it possible to produce a competitive engine within the 20,000 euro claiming fee posted? Will the 600s be as fast as the 250s? Is this a plot by the Japanese factories to take back the junior classes? Will the Flammini brothers and Infront Motor Sports, who own the rights to the World Superbike series, sue the FIM to prevent the series from happening?
Most of all, though, the debate has centered around who is going to build bikes to run in the series. Bimota have expressed an interest in providing rolling chassis for the bikes, Ilmor have expressed an interest in producing engines for the class, and Moriwaki have even exhibited a prototype at a motorcycle show in Japan. But genuine race bikes in full trim have yet to turn up.
Until now. Today, the BQR team (who run the Blusens Aprila squad in the 125cc championship, with riders Scott Redding and Esteve Rabat) presented their Moto2 machine, which they will be entering in the Spanish Moto2 CEV championship, the series where Dorna is testing out the new class. The bike is based on a Honda 600 engine, in a custom-made frame with the spec of chassis components you would expect of a top-level racing bike. The machine produces 140bhp and weighs 137kg ready to race. Pictures of the bike can be found on Motorsport-Total.com, and Motociclismo.es has a full set of specifications for the bike.
Most notable attendee at the launch was Dorna's CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta, alongside the president of the Spanish motorcycling federation Joan Moreta. Ezpeleta's presence emphasizes the importance the organization places on the success of this formula, and he will be hoping that BQR's example will encourage other parties to step up and join in.
But the biggest question hanging over the launch of this bike is its powerplant. The team have used a modified Honda 600 engine, which is entirely within the rules of the new category. But its provenance from a production Honda road bike will have alarm bells ringing at the Flammini brothers' headquarters in Italy.
IMS - Infront Motor Sports, who bought out the Flammini brothers FGSport organization last year - has a contract with the FIM giving it the exclusive rights to organize a world championship for production motorcycles, and Paolo Flammini has made several public statements saying that they intend to defend those rights aggressively. As the BQR bike is aimed at the Spanish national championship, IMS will have no grounds to take action. But if a similar bike is entered into the Moto2 class when it debuts as the support class for MotoGP either in 2010 or 2011, IMS' response will be interesting to watch. The knives are almost certainly being sharpened in the background. But they may not be unsheathed until some time next year.
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Looks like an 800 to me
They better bump back up tp 990s or 1200s...
First Moto2 Prototype Officially Presented In Spain
Submitted by Kropotkin on Tue, 2009-02-03 16:17.
in Honda 250
Since the announcement that the 600cc four-stroke Moto2 class would be replacing the 250cc class as of 2011, controversy and debate has raged over just about every aspect of the class. Is it possible to produce a competitive engine within the 20,000 euro claiming fee posted? Will the 600s be as fast as the 250s? Is this a plot by the Japanese factories to take back the junior classes? Will the Flammini brothers and Infront Motor Sports, who own the rights to the World Superbike series, sue the FIM to prevent the series from happening?
Most of all, though, the debate has centered around who is going to build bikes to run in the series. Bimota have expressed an interest in providing rolling chassis for the bikes, Ilmor have expressed an interest in producing engines for the class, and Moriwaki have even exhibited a prototype at a motorcycle show in Japan. But genuine race bikes in full trim have yet to turn up.
Until now. Today, the BQR team (who run the Blusens Aprila squad in the 125cc championship, with riders Scott Redding and Esteve Rabat) presented their Moto2 machine, which they will be entering in the Spanish Moto2 CEV championship, the series where Dorna is testing out the new class. The bike is based on a Honda 600 engine, in a custom-made frame with the spec of chassis components you would expect of a top-level racing bike. The machine produces 140bhp and weighs 137kg ready to race. Pictures of the bike can be found on Motorsport-Total.com, and Motociclismo.es has a full set of specifications for the bike.
Most notable attendee at the launch was Dorna's CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta, alongside the president of the Spanish motorcycling federation Joan Moreta. Ezpeleta's presence emphasizes the importance the organization places on the success of this formula, and he will be hoping that BQR's example will encourage other parties to step up and join in.
But the biggest question hanging over the launch of this bike is its powerplant. The team have used a modified Honda 600 engine, which is entirely within the rules of the new category. But its provenance from a production Honda road bike will have alarm bells ringing at the Flammini brothers' headquarters in Italy.
IMS - Infront Motor Sports, who bought out the Flammini brothers FGSport organization last year - has a contract with the FIM giving it the exclusive rights to organize a world championship for production motorcycles, and Paolo Flammini has made several public statements saying that they intend to defend those rights aggressively. As the BQR bike is aimed at the Spanish national championship, IMS will have no grounds to take action. But if a similar bike is entered into the Moto2 class when it debuts as the support class for MotoGP either in 2010 or 2011, IMS' response will be interesting to watch. The knives are almost certainly being sharpened in the background. But they may not be unsheathed until some time next year.
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5901:MOTOGP2.jpg]
5902:MOTOGP2_1.jpg]
Looks like an 800 to me
They better bump back up tp 990s or 1200s...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 3 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like an 800 to me
They better bump back up tp 990s or 1200s...
I'm skeptical of this one...
I'm with you Curve. If they're going to push the 250's up to 600's, then they had better bump GP back up to 900 or higher.
They better bump back up tp 990s or 1200s...
I'm skeptical of this one...
I'm with you Curve. If they're going to push the 250's up to 600's, then they had better bump GP back up to 900 or higher.
If the problem who's or what engine to use it could be quite interresting.
There could be a few new chassi builders involved,and it would be fun to see what they could do.
Too bad for Honda though if they can't use production parts for the engine.Then in the end they would have to develope the GP2 standard engine only used in GP2 for every one to measure against.That could cost alot of money.
There could be a few new chassi builders involved,and it would be fun to see what they could do.
Too bad for Honda though if they can't use production parts for the engine.Then in the end they would have to develope the GP2 standard engine only used in GP2 for every one to measure against.That could cost alot of money.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 3 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like an 800 to me
They better bump back up tp 990s or 1200s...
+1
600cc and 800cc, too close. MotoGP should be unlimited cc.
They better bump back up tp 990s or 1200s...
+1
600cc and 800cc, too close. MotoGP should be unlimited cc.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Feb 3 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1
600cc and 800cc, too close. MotoGP should be unlimited cc.
I don't know bout unlimited... but glad you agree with me
600cc and 800cc, too close. MotoGP should be unlimited cc.
I don't know bout unlimited... but glad you agree with me
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cheers for heads up curve
like i said in another thread guys 250's going to 600cc and having almost double the amount of riders as motogp, the premier class will look like a joke.
haul in 990's or production 1100's with prototype parts, freeze development that will keep costs down and attract new manufacturers/customers
like i said in another thread guys 250's going to 600cc and having almost double the amount of riders as motogp, the premier class will look like a joke.
haul in 990's or production 1100's with prototype parts, freeze development that will keep costs down and attract new manufacturers/customers
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 3 2009, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know bout unlimited... but glad you agree with me
Ha ha! Yeah, get a 1200cc engine with a No2 booster and we could see them hit 270 on straightaways!! Better upgrade those brakes
Might as well start a Hyabusa league.
Ha ha! Yeah, get a 1200cc engine with a No2 booster and we could see them hit 270 on straightaways!! Better upgrade those brakes
Might as well start a Hyabusa league.
