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The Importance of tyres

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teomolca

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One week ago, Dani+Honda was 32 seconds faster than Casey+Ducati, today the same comparison ended up with Casey 35 seconds ahead.

The difference is over a minute and the tyres are the reason for this huge differences.

IMO it has reached a point like it happened in F1 that this is a tyre championship, and at each race, half of the field is handicapped or doesn't even have a chance.

Today as an spectator I was pissed I was deprived of seeing Rossi and Dani fight for a race (no fault of their own) just not adequate tyres.

Same thing last week, Rossi crashed, Bstone sucked, no one to challenge Dani = boring race.

IMO they should consider having a single supplier for 2008.
 
Control tyre rules suck ..., this is a world championship we are talking about not the R6 cup!!
 
It's the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and there should not be any restrictions in regard to this matter! Look at dunlop, ever so slowly they are improving their race tires. IN NO WAY should their be a single tyre manufacturer! What next, only one bike manufacturer?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 22 2007, 05:25 PM) [snapback]80724[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Control tyre rules suck ..., this is a world championship we are talking about not the R6 cup!!


I have a hard time swallowing technology restrictions at this level too, Tom. However, King Kenny made a good point: "I've seen fans of riders and fans of manufacturers, but I've never seen a tire fan."

Should a world championship be a lottery decided by tires?
 
I like the tyre war, its another variable. I think with Grand Prix racing you have to accept that there are many factors outside the riders control, that can decide the race in their favour or not. IMO, Grand Prix without a tyre war just wouldn't be the same. I hate that they've done it in F1.
 
I love tire wars and I have always been against spec tires rules adopted in any series (WSB, F1). But I feel as many have already stated, that when you win or lose a race or an entire season based on tires, it takes away from the racing. If Bridgestone and Michelin were consistent with one another at most tracks I would love it but as Teo has said, when you have one manufacturer 30 seconds in front one week and another manufacturer out front by 30 seconds the next, it really takes away.

I hate to say it but MotoGP needs to seriously consider the possibility of introducing a spec tire rule.
 
We as consumers benefit a lot more from competitive tires racing than seeing our favourite rider win. Yes, today's race was decided on tires. But, as a motorcycle rider, I would see tire technology improve rather than a "fair" playing field. Michelin has been doing MotoGP tires for years. its shameful that they have been overshadowed by Bridgestone in such a short period of time.
 
not to mention michelin are like 10 times bigger than bridgestone.

at le mans when bridgestone got 1,2,3 it said it all really.

this is not the first time michelin fail to beat a little manufactuer.

BF Goodrich practically on every Rally car these days.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Jul 22 2007, 08:31 PM) [snapback]80744[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and there should not be any restrictions in regard to this matter! Look at dunlop, ever so slowly they are improving their race tires. IN NO WAY should their be a single tyre manufacturer! What next, only one bike manufacturer?


sounds like nascrap rules.?? should be anything you want..... thats why there not street based bikes. I thought. a prototype like f-1s should be.run what you brung?
 
Michelin cost a motogp team 1 million bucks a year. Bridgestones are free so far. Man it must hurt to be beaten by a tire that is free...ha ha ha. Where were you when the Bridgestones sucked? Didn't care then eh?
 
I didn't see this much bitching and moaning about tires when Rossi and the Honda riders on M's were the only real title contenders for the past 7+ years.

Up until 2007 if you weren't running M's, you didn't have a chance at the title. Now that M can't pull it together under the new rules people are up in arms and asking for changes.
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I say suck it up and drive on. Turn about is fair play.
 
everybody complained when WSBK went to control tires but it made for infinitely better racing.

Kenny wants a tire rule. Burgess doesn't. I wonder what most of the riders think?

Related: there was an article in whatever mag last month where both Rossi and Stoner said they'd like to do away with Qs, the only problem is enforcing the rule.

spec tire/ecu would definitely make for closer racing, the lack of which is what most people complain about on this board when rossi/stoner/honda dominates.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drumfu @ Jul 24 2007, 09:08 AM) [snapback]81005[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
everybody complained when WSBK went to control tires but it made for infinitely better racing.

Kenny wants a tire rule. Burgess doesn't. I wonder what most of the riders think?

Related: there was an article in whatever mag last month where both Rossi and Stoner said they'd like to do away with Qs, the only problem is enforcing the rule.

spec tire/ecu would definitely make for closer racing, the lack of which is what most people complain about on this board when rossi/stoner/honda dominates.

I'm never gonna complain when an Aussie wins by such a large margin!
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Michelin are in the same boat as Honda. They have both given the good stuff to only one or two riders for so long now that they lack any sort of variety in feedback in which to work.

What feedback can a rider who is being given 4th 5th 6th or 7th pick of tyres give you other then "they are ....".

Bridgestone, Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki give all their riders the best possible equipment they can and therefore all feedback is valuable in pushing the envelope further and further.

Until Honda and Michelin realise they have to give the best they can to all then they will not be able to match the manufacturers who do.
 
tyres are part of the bike, and so they are part of the competition.
and sure, they are a very important part of the competition.
and i agree, Sachsenring and Laguna Seca wasn´t really exciting because of the tyres. But we should wait and see how this continues, because when we have a GP like Catalonia again, noone will talk about the tyres
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and if this continues, the Teams will make enough pressure to bring better tyres ASAP
 
I was in favour of tyre war, the same way there's a fight to make the best bike and to be the best rider I thought why not have a fight for the best tyre.

But right now the tyre are the single most important factor. And it's not because Michelin sucks and Bstone wins why I complain, I wouldn't like it if it was the other way round either.

A couple of years ago when Bstone sucked, all the championship contenders where on Michelins, so it didn't matter, still we had weird results from time to time with Tamada winning.

I don't want to have a race only fought by half of the grid because the other's tyres suck.

So I hope there's a control tyre for next season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Jul 24 2007, 10:08 PM) [snapback]81084[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I was in favour of tyre war, the same way there's a fight to make the best bike and to be the best rider I thought why not have a fight for the best tyre.

But right now the tyre are the single most important factor. And it's not because Michelin sucks and Bstone wins why I complain, I wouldn't like it if it was the other way round either.

A couple of years ago when Bstone sucked, all the championship contenders where on Michelins, so it didn't matter, still we had weird results from time to time with Tamada winning.

I don't want to have a race only fought by half of the grid because the other's tyres suck.

So I hope there's a control tyre for next season.

I agree, what is the problem with having a one tyre rule? A large part of why we aren't seeing close racing is the tyre war. How can a tyre war be good if it diminishes the show for the fans?

It must be frustrating for a factory squad to realise the race is over before it starts. Racing isn't just about prototype bikes, it's about entertaining us. The bikes don't move anymore, I hate traction control, to be honest I don't understand how anyone is a fan of it. We can either see slides and riders struggling or straight up and down bikes. I remember watching Rossi race in Brazil in 2002, it was wet and he slid the front and back of the honda into turn one. My flatmate (who had never watched a race) couldn't believe it "Is he skidding that bike?", ...... a he is. Electronics are another issue, but they are giving us less visually, not more.

I'm in favour of a one tyre rule as long as the support is there from top to bottom. At the moment the tyre war is giving the fans less, not more.
 
Interesting point TP70.

I've been thinking about tyres quite a bit today and have gone back and forth between wanting one type manufacturer and not...

I think maybe the reason people are complaining now is that michelins are expected to be good where as before bridgestones were not?

I also think that one tyre series are good for the racing...wsbk having them, other gp classes having them and the class my brother races in having them.

Right now however i'm swinging towards no change in rules...

...why? Well I was disappointed when F1 changed and although i'm not a fan of a tyre manufacturer I certainly have a preference. I like Dunlops and Michelins (where as I don't like bridgestones)! I won't go into why...

Then of course the obvious fact this is a gp class and what that implys heads towards keeping the various makes of tyres.

Financially also beneficial to have more than one make series.

Also, what would edwards do? He'd have no excuse to give us after the race! That'd suck
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