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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I agree with you at some level. Perhaps his self-preservation instinct (which may have superseded) in that moment, he chose to walk away knowing that Hayden was very upset.

That's what I was thinking. I saw that incident when KRJR crashed into Tamada, and he ran into him to check if he's okay, and probably apologize. But may be the difference is, at that time, Tamada wasn't a raging inferno unlike Nicky that's why KRJR had the chance that Dani didn't have.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Dec 1 2006, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's what I was thinking. I saw that incident when KRJR crashed into Tamada, and he ran into him to check if he's okay, and probably apologize.

I had alot of respect for Dani as a racer before the incident. I liked that he was aggressive and took it to Rossi a few times. But I did notice all along that he raced Hayden especially close all season. Which made me question his prudence and perhaps jealously. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt until the Portugal crash. To me, I think the guy has been convinced by Puig and others that he was the heir to the throne. And at some level he began to believe it was his right to be had (not an accolade to be earned). I think this feeling translated itself on the track since Hayden represented to him the first obstacle, which was in fact the first person that was out performing him consistently. So he raced Hayden especially harder and recklessly. So I think it was blind jealousy that made him misjudge his performance ability as he tried to torpedo his way past Hayden at that turn. Now this is my opinion. As we all have are perspectives.

This thread started with the thinly veiled chastisement of a guy selling t-shirts poking fun at Dani for that crash. I first thought it was funny (as Yamahamer has posted some very funny stuff). And going along with this I also said, yeah the guy should make a few t-shirts about the Dani’s questionable teammate role, after all it was a major moment in the season. My perspective is that the guy deserves to have fun being poke at him, after all he was the one that dumped his bike into his teammate. And if he is so good as those make him out to be (me included) then it even makes more sense that he should be held accountable for that bone headed move that may have resulted in a complete effect on who would have been the champ no less.

But hey, it all good, cuz Hayden won anyway.




BTW Roger, I wasn't trying to pick a fight buddy. Yamahamer's post are super hilarious and he makes me crack up. So I thought to have alittle fun with it too and threw out a dooughnut. You and Capirex (got all butt hurt) and were the first to bite. But you can relax now because the championship is in good hands.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But you can relax now because the championship is in good hands.

You know this wouldn't stop with that statement, right?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Dec 1 2006, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...but if Dani went and asked Nicky how he is, oh dear, I think there would be blood-shed as Nicky "could only see red" at that time.
can u imagine the t-shirt that would have produced!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 1 2006, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So I think it was blind jealousy
this implies human emotion. since he's rumored to be a robot, this cannot be.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who really knows what is in the heart of these guys. But we certainly can make are own opinions. Mine is that he was a coward. At that moment, when something like the crash happens, I think people react on the instinct of their basic nature. For me, to see Dani throw his hands in the air, looked to me as though he was upset at himself, but not for the egregious act that he had perpetrated on Hayden, but rather that he had thrown away the “mathematical “ chance that he could win the championship. This is what my perspective continues to be; so in my opinion, he is not “humble.”

But I agree with you at some level. Perhaps his self-preservation instinct (which may have superseded) in that moment, he chose to walk away knowing that Hayden was very upset.

I must say to his credit, it looks like he tried to make amends the next race in a very public way.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Some people say Dani was showing his true colours in that moment, and that very well could be true. But if it is, he's done a damn good job of hiding the "Real Pedrosa" in the half a decade that he's been racing. I agree Dani ...... up, and what he did was very stupid for so many reasons (I also agree that Puig is a twit)
The whole thing was a huge surprise. I mean, it was jaw-dropping due to the circumstances and the consequences, but it was also surprising because Pedrosa did it. He has/had a reputation for being a cool-headed, smart racer.
I personally wouldn't say any of his actions were cowardly. I think under the circumstaces with all that pressure his under, he just snapped. Farm boy got past him with all the grace of a drunk sumo wrestler on the previous lap, and one of AISMO's fuses just blew, and, for a few minutes, Dani Pedrosa became Jorge Lorenzo. Then he smashes them both off the track, and skulks around nursing his broken finger(nail) looking at Haystack like it was his fault. In that moment Pedrosa was crazy, stupid, angry, under the influence of that ........ Puig and, as always, very short. I don't think he was being cowardly, though. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Haystack when he was like that either. My opinion is that it was a one off. It goes totally against Pedrosa's track record and I don't think we'll see any more of that kinda malfunction. The incident was horrible, but I'm not looking into it much in terms of Pedrosa's real character. People under pressure slip sometimes. For Pedrosa it happened at the worst possible time. That's life. But Hayden won anyway, so I think it's a bit irrelevant.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I did notice all along that he raced Hayden especially close all season........ Which made me question his prudence and perhaps jealously............

in almost every racer interview I have ever read - when asked who there biggest rival is OR who they want to beat most - the answer will be "my team mate".

i hardly think Dani pushed Hayden any harder than anyone else but if '69' is in his way - he's gonna get raced IMO.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think this feeling translated itself on the track since Hayden represented to him the first obstacle, which was in fact the first person that was out performing him consistently. So he raced Hayden especially harder and recklessly. So I think it was blind jealousy that made him misjudge his performance ability as he tried to torpedo his way past Hayden at that turn. Now this is my opinion. As we all have are perspectives.

the words 'team mate' are used in the loosest possible sense of the word in motorcycling. if there are no team orders then it's everyman for himself - sure it's not smart to take your team mate out cos you've gotta share a garage and you've "gotta piss in the same pot" as it where but these so called team mates rarely share data, protect each others lines or anything else that a TEAM MATE would normally do in another sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread started with the thinly veiled chastisement of a guy selling t-shirts poking fun at Dani for that crash. I first thought it was funny (as Yamahamer has posted some very funny stuff). And going along with this I also said, yeah the guy should make a few t-shirts about the Dani’s questionable teammate role, after all it was a major moment in the season. My perspective is that the guy deserves to have fun being poke at him, after all he was the one that dumped his bike into his teammate. And if he is so good as those make him out to be (me included) then it even makes more sense that he should be held accountable for that bone headed move that may have resulted in a complete effect on who would have been the champ no less.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But you can relax now because the championship is in good hands.

Enjoy it while it lasts mate
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 2 2006, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its very obvious, that you and others see Dani taking out Hayden as just close racing because your biased against Hayden. Nothing more and nothing less. But I’m for sure had Collin taken out Rossi (in the penultimate race no less) you and others would have been all over him.

yep - you're spot on there.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Dec 1 2006, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You know this wouldn't stop with that statement, right?
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I had a feeling you were right damnwriter. (but in a sadistic way, that’s why I do it).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Dec 2 2006, 07:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>can u imagine the t-shirt that would have produced!
this implies human emotion. since he's rumored to be a robot, this cannot be.

I would buy that shirt.

Haha Frosty, I think it was that bonehead roger that said this funny line…”he’s not programmed to.”
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 3 2006, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess it depends on how you look at it.

Good point Richo. I haven’t really followed Pestdrosa’s (taking a page from your style of wit) career that closely so I wouldn’t know too much of his past, but I was going by what I had observed this year. Based on that the guy is a nitwit, in my wit-nit opinion.

…”malfunction” Haha ha. Good one. (BTW I like how you come up with these names like Haystack, your wit is hilarious while not offensive.)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Dec 4 2006, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in almost every racer interview I have ever read - when asked who there biggest rival is OR who they want to beat most - the answer will be "my team mate".

....team mates rarely share data, protect each others lines or anything else that a TEAM MATE would normally do in another sport.

Enjoy it while it lasts mate
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Locks, we are all aware of the first rule of racing your teammate (you didn’t need to requote it) however, my point was the second rule of racing (in case you missed it here it is): You don’t take out your teammate. Which was my point. You also say: Team mates rarely…protect each others lines or anything else that a TEAM MATE would normally do in another sport. From my vantage point (at the edge of my seat watching the teli) it sure looked like Edwards was doing this at Portugal for Rossi (and he would have done the same thing in Valencia had it not been for Rossi’s cra…(well you know, I don’t need to spell it out).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Dec 4 2006, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Enjoy it while it lasts mate
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Oh and yes locks and damnwriter, I am, and will, enjoy it while I can. You guys have been enjoying yourselves the last 4 years, give me this 1 (first of many I believe).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Dec 4 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if there are no team orders then it's everyman for himself

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 4 2006, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it sure looked like Edwards was doing this at Portugal for Rossi (and he would have done the same thing in Valencia

that's team orders for you !

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I'd like to see the video again when Dani accidentally took Nicky out... since Dani is still young, as most young ppl, he only cares for himself... it's natural... his reaction is quite natural for young bucks his age... unlike Roberts Jr. or Rossi, who have matured, they care a lot more.. but when Nicky went down, he immediately tried to pick up his bike too... did he go see where Dani was? not really, the championship is on the line.. who cares about this incident, it is the past.. what matters is that the riders themselves have forgiven each other. It is time to move on to next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Dec 4 2006, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that's team orders for you !

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I don't think there is much team orders here but the fact that Edwards isn't in the title chase and should try and help out... when Dani's numbers were mathematically gone in Valencia, he tried to help Nicky out too.. without team orders.
 

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