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Superbike Hat Trick

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I have a question.

How significant would you rate the feat of a Superbike title hat trick: BSB, WSBK, AMA?


If Neil does win the AMA title, wow, that will be a nice accomplishment, a superbike hat trick of all significant standard series; BSB champ, WSBK champ...and maybe AMA champ (first ever right). Do you think this is Honda's big chance to reclaim AMA superbike title? Yamaha will be there on the podium, but is this the year we see a Brit at the top?

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I obviously would rate a AMA, WSBK, MotoGP hat trick more significant (here's hoping Spies can do it some day or Hayden for that matter) but I would rate a Superbike hat trick very high and historically significant. Unlike MotoGP, standard superbike racing is a bit more of a test of rider than machine. (Or in other words, GP machines/package seem to have more an effect on results compared to standard bikes). Yes, there are many things to consider, but it seems that standard bikes seem to have more of an even handed playing field. Now in Neil's case, he won the BSB in a close championship down to the last round when Walker's Suzuki had a mechanical, then his WSBK title on a Ducati dominated series, and he didn't do much when the AMA was Suzuki dominated while on a Ducati/Honda. So yes, I understand that circumstances & machine (or more like rules in the series) has influence on results. Notwithstanding, this year, with a depleted field, this may be his best chance to win an AMA title. So there are 'special' circumstances of course, but then again, I think all championships have 'special' circumstances, so I'd say it would be very significant (and more so as time goes on if accomplished).

Think about it for a moment, who might rise to the challenge of a superbike title this year? The short list would be in the Honda & Yamaha camp, so: Hodgson, Bostrom, Hayes, and unless Mladin gets a ride Mladin. Even if Kawasaki changed their minds and returned to AMA/DMG, we all know they wouldn't do .... (hell they didn't do .... when they were full factory). So with Suzuki and Kawasaki out, then where does that put Tommy and Roger Lee? So, its looking pretty good for Neil at the moment if he beat his teammate (whoever that will be). Hayes beat Neil at Daytona last year (though dq) but this year he will be learning that R1. Now of course, there is still Jordan Suzuki to contend with, but with the lack of Suzuki involvement, it will still be a major wild card.


What do you think?
 
It all depends on what Kawasaki and Suzuki decide to do and who Honda hire as their second rider. Hodgson should be able to take a few wins, same for Bostrom. If Kawasaki comes back then I think Jamie Hacking would have to be the favorite for the title. If Honda take Zemke back to the factory fold then I think he could be right there with Hodgson, Bostrom and Hacking. But if Suzuki and Mladin are back I think that will about settle it all, it will be a race for second
 
I think you're giving Hodgson way too much credit. Didn't he win the WSBK title on a year similar to what is happening in AMA this year. It was a Ducati cup that year and if I recall he barely beat his teamate.
This past year in Superbike he ran off the track almost every race. Almost every time he was by himself. He's got to stop beating himself if he's wants to be a contender.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Dec 10 2008, 03:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you're giving Hodgson way too much credit. Didn't he win the WSBK title on a year similar to what is happening in AMA this year. It was a Ducati cup that year and if I recall he barely beat his teamate.
This past year in Superbike he ran off the track almost every race. Almost every time he was by himself. He's got to stop beating himself if he's wants to be a contender.
Yeah, WSB was certainly a diluted field the year that Hodgy won it particularly following the departure of Bayliss and Edwards to GP. But he comfortably saw off his teammate Xuas who was hampered as usual by his chronic inconsistency.

Thing is Johnny, Neil spent several years at GSE Ducati on inferior machinery - albeit a great team - trying to run with Troy and Colin, and that was his coming of age. He deserved the title he got, and was foolish to opt for the career crippling Dantin ride in GP.

I think that he certainly has a competetive package on American Honda - despite the decision a few seasons ago to cut costs and sever the expensive factory kit from Japan, and go for the Ten Kate DIY approach.

Neil has had ample time to get acquainted with your notoriously tricky circuits, and I agree with your last comment. I'm tempted to conclude that the laid back Laguna beach lifestyle alongside the fat pay packet thudding through the mail box every month has rather sapped the Burnley boy of the raw ambition that once drove him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Dec 9 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you're giving Hodgson way too much credit. Didn't he win the WSBK title on a year similar to....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Dec 10 2008, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, WSB was certainly a diluted field the year...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 9 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So yes, I understand that circumstances & machine (or more like rules in the series) has influence on results. Notwithstanding, this year, with a depleted field, this may be his best chance to win an AMA title. So there are 'special' circumstances of course, but then again, I think all championships have 'special' circumstances, so I'd say it would be very significant (and more so as time goes on if accomplished).

I made a point of saying there are certainly 'special circumstance' in both his BSB & WSBK title. I realize in both titles there was an element of circumstance, but then again, ALL championships have this element. So notwithstanding, what do you think is the significance of the feat?
 
How significant? I would say fairly significant as it would show the skill of the rider, to master 3 different series. One held worldwide, one in the UK and one in the US, that is a lot of different tracks. Now, we can go for days doing the comparison game to the significance of say a 125/250/MotoGP hat trick, but let's just stay in the Superbike realm, has anyone ever done this before? I would say though, at Hodgson's stage in his career, if he pulled it off, it would be a significant feat for him. But as Arrabbiata pointed out, I'm not so sure he has the ambition, but who knows, he may find some if he gets a good start to the year and realizes he could be a main contender. Obviously if Mladin is in we can forget all of this talk. I for one hope Mladin doesn't race, as we might have one of the best years for close racing in a long time with the current line up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 10 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gentlemen...



I made a point of saying there are certainly 'special circumstance' in both his BSB & WSBK title. I realize in both titles there was an element of circumstance, but then again, ALL championships have this element. So notwithstanding, what do you think is the significance of the feat?

Well said!
 
Out of In terest, how was Bayliss doing in 2000 before he went to WSBK?

I know that we can't play 'what if' but I ask as he had achieved the BSB title, then went to AMA, then to WSBK, MotoGP, WSBK so I see him as a possible benchmark.


That said and done, to win the three would be a major effort and accomplishment but as you suggest Jumkie, there would also be some 'weighing up' of the impacts of those 'special circumstances' you mention.

Got to be honest though and say that I am not and never have been a fan of Hodgson (can't really explain why either) and if he achieved the feat I would begrudgingly give credit.

Can I ask another question.

Does the order of achievement impact in any way (ie. if the World title wast he last, would it weigh heavier)?







Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Dec 14 2008, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Out of In terest, how was Bayliss doing in 2000 before he went to WSBK?
As I recall he only raced at Daytona before he was brought to WSBK. From what I remember he took pole and then had a mechanical.
 
A superbike hat trick would be pretty cool from any rider, but a hat trick of world titles (Bayliss) is more impressive in my opinion. Or better yet, GP success!
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Well, unless Neil is released from his Honda contract and gets another ride in the AMA, this thread is pretty much moot.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 15 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, unless Neil is released from his Honda contract and gets another ride in the AMA, this thread is pretty much moot.
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With Honda announcing that they will continue to support Erion, I wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper/more beneficial for Honda to send Hodgson to Erion on loan rather than buy him out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 15 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With Honda announcing that they will continue to support Erion, I wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper/more beneficial for Honda to send Hodgson to Erion on loan rather than buy him out.
i think corona are a 1 bike team they can just set them up to run a 2nd bike for hodgson.
 
Well, Hodgson is injured, so that pretty much makes this thread moot...

Ok, I know this is waaay ahead of myself, but where would you rank in motorcycling lore if a rider snags a national title, a WSBK title, and then a MotoGP title? Who thinks we might see this possibility in the near future, 2012 perhaps (if ever)?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 17 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, Hodgson is injured, so that pretty much makes this thread moot...

Ok, I know this is waaay ahead of myself, but where would you rank in motorcycling lore if a rider snags a national title, a WSBK title, and then a MotoGP title? Who thinks we might see this possibility in the near future, 2012 perhaps (if ever)?
How is this for a scenario. Hayden does not come to grips with the Ducati and his stay there is the length of his one year contract. Spies dominates WSBK and Ducati knowing they are not going to re up Hayden, goes after Spies.Hayden,wanting to jump start his career takes Spies Yamaha ride in WSBK and wins the title in 2010, giving him an AMA, Moto Gp,and WSBK title.That is more feasible than Spies winning the Gp title
 

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