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It`s no secret that despite Ducati`s Superbike track record and leniant rules for twins to keep them at the top, the Japanese 4 cylinders are catching up at a rate of knots and soon their 1000cc v-twin, despite the work of art it is, will soon be obselete in World Superbike racing.
The going theory is that Ducati will bin their age old V-twin tradition in favour of a more competitive, expensive and technical V-four concept like that of their extremely fast motoGP bikes.
But I recently stumbled upon a rumor in AMCN that Ducati may, instead of giving up on their beloved two pot donks, push for a new 1200cc limit on twins in WSBK.
If you look at the math, the advantage is smaller both as a percentage and as an outright displacement in comparison to the 750cc vs 1000cc of a few years ago, but 1200cc in a racebike is big. Real big. I have no doubts that it could easily be the most powerful bike in the class, in the hands of Ducati`s race engineers. It`s also a cheap alternative to shoehorning a modified form of their GP motor into a roadbike, or building a new donk from scratch. And with a smaller firm like Ducati, money is a problem. They can`t just throw money at racing to make it happen like a certain company called Honda. They need innovation over investment, and a new engine is a big investment.
Obviously the Japanese manufacterers are opposed to any change that could see Ducati go back to the top of SBK racing again, leaving them out. But the powers that be in SBK appear to have welcomed such a change. The only thing is, Ducati have not decided whether they will push for it yet or not.

So what do you think? 1200cc Duc supers that remind you of a buell racebike?
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Or 1000cc V-fours whose development costs could possibly remove the much loved Ducatis from competitive WSBK racing?
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Personally I`ll go with the big twins. It`s a Ducati trademark. Besides if they wanna take a big twin SBK racing, they gotta make it road legal, which means if I save my monies one day I could buy one. And I`m all for having a big, red, shiny, 1200cc, 180hp Ducati sitting in the garage next to the ZX-RR, the Ferrari and the Learjet
 
I don't think the 1200cc V twin will happen. The Flammini brothers have done an awful lot to get the Japanese manufacturers back, primarily evening the playing field in terms of engine capacity and tires. If they allow twins to increase capacity to 1200cc they are making the same mistake twice, the reason why the Japanese manufactureres boycotted after 2002 was because of the advantage given to V twin 1000cc machines.

I think the only option, and in my opinion the best, Ducati have is to develop a 1000cc four cylinder. I don't think they'll shoe horn a version of the Desmosidici into a SBK frame simply because the geometry would be very provisional and unpredictable and also the components of the Desmo are very expensive to manufacture. I think what Ducati will do is take the strong points from their V4 to create a cheaper V4 to place in a new SBK. And knowing Ducati, they will be very successful in their venture, making the cost of developing a new SBK very reasonable.
 
I`d like to see Ducati move with the times and build a 4.Maybe they would have a quiet development year but in true Ducati fashion they would be on top of their game in the following season (hopefully without all the controvesy happening at present).Ducati really needs to stand up and take it on the chin.
 
Considering the speed Ducati is showing this year in SBK I doubt there's any V4 coming soon or rules being changed. Right now they are the fastest. It's a remarkable feat using a V2.

Ducati don't want to make a road V4, their complete road bike catalogue is a V2, but I guess they will have to if they want to remain competitive in SBK. Maybe in 5 years time.
 
They are faring pretty well right now, but things can change fairly quick. But making a current, competitive engine out of a V tiwn is pretty impressive. That`s why I like Ducati. Sure they`ve had some good riders to their name, like Bayliss, Capriex, Foggy, Corser ect. But I think the real stars of Ducati`s MotoGP and SBK efforts is their engineers. Must be a team of technical gurus.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Apr 6 2006, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really that keen to see yer beloved CBRs get flogged, Kev?
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what ya talkin about...... thier gettin flogged now
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 6 2006, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what ya talkin about...... thier gettin flogged now
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JT has been doin' a pretty good job of keeping Honda at the front when he isn't on his head.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>JT has been doin' a pretty good job of keeping Honda at the front when he isn't on his head.
i'm hopein alex barros can bring the blade back to the top box
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Yes we shall. But all Barros and JT will see is a set of ultra-loud termis wrapped in a sexy 999R F06 rear end
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Apr 8 2006, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But all Barros and JT will see is a set of ultra-loud termis wrapped in a sexy 999R F06 rear end
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"Hey-oh! I'm very aroused!" Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy, anyone? By the way, how do you pronounce Termignoni?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Apr 8 2006, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By the way, how do you pronounce Termignoni?
i think the translation means ".... & ..." in english....... don't it ?
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