STONER's ATTITUDE

I agree his attitude leaves a lot to be desired. He is both arrogant and unreasonable.



It really all started in 2007, when he resisted the obvious truth that he hadn't really beaten valentino rossi and won the championship that year, but rather his bike which apparently rode itself, had done so. This must have been true because everyone said so, but the little ....... actually seemed to the think that his perspective as the rider of the bike gave him the right to a different opinion.

michaelm said:

I agree his attitude leaves a lot to be desired. He is both arrogant and unreasonable.



It really all started in 2007, when he resisted the obvious truth that he hadn't really beaten valentino rossi and won the championship that year, but rather his bike which apparently rode itself, had done so. This must have been true because everyone said so, but the little ....... actually seemed to the think that his perspective as the rider of the bike gave him the right to a different opinion.

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I bet that remote control device is hidden some where in the 'Area 51' equivalent of Dorna's offices.



Yes, that's were the war started. And its continued. Don't fight it buddy, just go with the flow. There will be enough serious discussions sprinkled lightly throughout the season we can be part of. For now, let the fun and games continue.

Thanks Jum I forgot bout Criville part 2

Jumkie said:

...and Lorenzo.



Blokes who have whooped Nick...Stoner, Rossi, Lorenzo.

Blokes who have whooped Stoner...Nick, Rossi, Lorenzo.

Blokes who have whooped Lorenzo...Rossi, Stoner.

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Oh dear oh deary me ( this is for curve too ) ...... obviously you chaps have absolutely no idea of what the word "whooping" means. Sure these chaps have had one off "arse whoops" against each other. But to "whoop" one must "arse whoop" numerous times and in such a manner that the other never appears to gaining on you. ie. you "arse whoop" one, I "arse whoop" you twice, and on it goes.



A "whooping" takes into account increasing number of events, or in this case its a running tally of "arse whoop"ings.



You could go back in time and claim Nicky was "whooping" Casey, back at the end of 06, but meh that was reversed by mid 07 ..... get it.



If you substitute the word "arse whooping" your table would be correct Jum., however if the true meaning of a good ole cumulative and truer sample of a good ole "whooping", your table is a gross falsity.



In your defense I guess it could be claimed that at points of time in the days of yore, those who are currently the "whoopees" where in fact the then "whooper", but then with time and as Stoner has progressed even those previous "whoopings" have been swept up as mere "arse whoopings". Mind you with Stoner it has been increasingly obvious, since he came in in 06, that the momentum of the amount of "arse whoopings" dealt by Stoner was increasing ie. Stoner has always had a better;



d(arse whoopings)/d(whooping events)



and don't get me started on the second derivative of that!! It becomes blatantly obvious that Stoner is in fact the true GOAT ...... yes there is a distinct correlation between "whooping", "arse whoopings" and GOATdom ...... put that in your pipe and smoke it Curve!



Words! quit playing with words Jumkie/curve and get real.!

Jumkie said:

I bet that remote control device is hidden some where in the 'Area 51' equivalent of Dorna's offices.

Yes, that's were the war started. And its continued. Don't fight it buddy, just go with the flow. There will be enough serious discussions sprinkled lightly throughout the season we can be part of. For now, let the fun and games continue.

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As you know I don't pretend that he is gracious, but reaping and sowing does come to mind, and many who don't like his current attitude are of the ilk which formed said attitude.



There are things I won't defend like his tantrum about nicky being slow on an outlap, and his criticism of a new surface at indy laid down at the insistence of the riders the previous year, but I actually have enjoyed many things which irritate his detractors, in particular his response to the jerez rossi torpedo which was fabulous, even more so in retrospect given his performance over the full season.

michaelm said:

I agree his attitude leaves a lot to be desired. He is both arrogant and unreasonable.



It really all started in 2007, when he resisted the obvious truth that he hadn't really beaten valentino rossi and won the championship that year, but rather his bike which apparently rode itself, had done so. This must have been true because everyone said so, but the little ....... actually seemed to the think that his perspective as the rider of the bike gave him the right to a different opinion.

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Get with the times Michael! everyone knows that this was corrected by the boppers, ie, it was the electronics, tires, shoulder , etc. , etc. , its now become apparent that back in 07 yes it was remote controlled ....... with the true question emerging ..... "who was this amazing remote controller" ........ the bopper answer is even more amazing .......... it was Rossi! he was doing it for Ducati ....... yes his development skills go back that far for Ducati !

michaelm said:

As you know I don't pretend that he is gracious, but reaping and sowing does come to mind, and many who don't like his current attitude are of the ilk which formed said attitude.



There are things I won't defend like his tantrum about nicky being slow on an outlap, and his criticism of a new surface at indy laid down at the insistence of the riders the previous year, but I actually have enjoyed many things which irritate his detractors, in particular his response to the jerez rossi torpedo which was fabulous, even more so in retrospect given his performance over the full season.

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I hear you. I'm just getting a kick out of the neo-boppers its produced. I suppose it’s that pendulum thing in play. I’m cool with the reap/sow thingy, as long as the same rules apply, ya know what I mean?

Oh dear....................here we go again.



Like everybody, Casey has his good and bad points.



Bad- short temper

doesn,t suffer fools- can be particularly undiplomatic

not good at pr stuff

not extroverted and entertaining

doesn,t praise other riders enough

hasn,t been nice to Nicky



Good- fastest guy on the planet

most entertaining style to watch eg turn 3 PI

most revealing interviews- giving best insight into the nuances of riding a gp bike

friendly and loquacious ,when not in "race mode"

quite perceptive about issues affecting riders and track safety



He does some "bad" stuff, but has not resorted to Rossi,s calculated character assassination of other riders. eg "Everybody hates Jorge". And , I think he has been remarkably diplomatic to Rossi and his problems on the duke last year. If CS was a real prick, he could have rubbed Rossi,s nose in it all year. He did not, and I would hope that some (like Bassspete) would at least recognise a bit of the good in CS.



On balance, i think he adds a lot to the motogp paddock. Sure, he has faults we would llike to eliminate, but remember, that to spend your whole life racing bikes and aiming to be number 1, you are not likely to have a balanced outlook on life. As far as I know he has not killed any puppies................so why not accept the way he is and enjoy what he has to offer.



Much as it may gall many here, I forsee that within a few years( certainly after Rossi retires), Casey will become the elder statesman of the category...........leading changes for rider safety and amenities.

Does Stoners Attitude really get to folk ?





Thats pretty sad



Find something to be happy about, you are stressing yourselves over diddly.



I find Rossi, a bitch, lame, boring to watch ride, etc. etc. etc. ....... but ...... if I'd ever make up a thread about it, or even think about it for more than it took me to type that ..... During Rossi's "Spagetti MGP years" I just found something more interesting ........ Edwards and Bayliss ob SBK's. Easy.

Bunyip said:

Oh dear....................here we go again. Like everybody, Casey has his good and bad points. Bad- short temper doesn,t suffer fools- can be particularly undiplomatic not good at pr stuff not extoverted and entertaining doesn,t praise other riders enough Good- fastest guy on the planet most entertaining style to watch eg turn 3 PI most revealing interviews- giving best insight into the nuances of riding a gp bike friendly and loquacious ,when not in "race mode" quite perceptive about issues affecting riders and track safety He does some "bad" stuff, but has not resorted to Rossi,s calculated character assassination of other riders. eg "Everybody hates Jorge". And , I think he has been remarkably diplomatic to Rossi and his problems on the duke last year. If CS was a real prick, he could have rubbed Rossi,s nose in it all year. He did not, and I would hope that some (like Bassspete) would at least recognise a bit of the good in CS. On balance, i think he adds a lot to the motogp paddock. Sure, he has faults we would llike to eliminate, but remember, that to spend your whole life racing bikes and aiming to be number 1, you are not likely to have a balanced outlook on life. As far as I know he has not killed any puppies................so why not accept the way he is and enjoy what he has to offer. Much as it may gall many here, I forsee that within a few years( certainly after Rossi retires), Casey will become the elder statesman of the category...........leading changes for rider safety and amenities.

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You make some good points and a bit of hopeful ones, which is fine. So, why is it then you don't concede when he's made a few missteps? It seems very hard for you, mental, mr. sqatz, and bm, to name the main ones, that defend those missteps? Seriously dude. You just made a Michaelmesk quality post, but I can't say that's the norm. I think if we just recognize when it happens, call it, then move on, it would just remain a minor hick-up. Instead, the resistance to the obvious becomes overblown because of the insistence that it never happened, or it was misinterpreted, or whatever justification applies at the time. The double standard has become amusing to me. Especially when I get the desperate poster to defend their position which leads them to become flustered.

BarryMachine said:

Does Stoners Attitude really get to folk ?





Thats pretty sad

Find something to be happy about, you are stressing yourselves over diddly.



I find Rossi, a bitch, lame, boring to watch ride, etc. etc. etc. ....... but ...... if I'd ever make up a thread about it, or even think about it for more than it took me to type that ..... During Rossi's "Spagetti MGP years" I just found something more interesting ........ Edwards and Bayliss ob SBK's. Easy.

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Classic. Buddy, you ask, do these guys get under peeps skin and then follow it up by expressing pity. Then you admit Rossi has got under your thin skin? Do you then pity yourself? hahahaha

Jumkie you enjoy these threads way too much



Personally, Stoners attitude doesn't particularly worry me, i don't agree with a few things he has done, but overall... meh.



Maybe it doesn't rub me the wrong way because I'm Australian? (not in a fan boy way, but that i see so many people with a similar disposition every day)



On a serious note, can anyone name a successful australian motoGP rider who was 'liked' world wide?

Jumkie said:

Classic. Buddy, you ask, do these guys get under peeps skin and then follow it up by expressing pity. Then you admit Rossi has got under your thin skin? Do you then pity yourself? hahahaha

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I think you need to read what I said again. Matter of fact I get into "forum strife" for not "caring enough about Rossi" ...... so were's your point ?

Baffy said:

Maybe it doesn't rub me the wrong way because I'm Australian?

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I think you have a point here, it must be a cultural thing. Eg. Look at Jumkie, he totally expects folk have a deep emotion about every little thing .......... he'd have a shock if he went to Darwin

Barry anyone who goes to Darwin gets a shock!!

Jumkie said:

I hear you. I'm just getting a kick out of the neo-boppers its produced. I suppose it’s that pendulum thing in play. I’m cool with the reap/sow thingy, as long as the same rules apply, ya know what I mean?

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I usually recognise that there has been a paradigm shift from the previous ridiculous criticism of stoner to equally over the top criticism of rossi, but the old thing of any problems rossi has being due to the bike but stoner failing due to susceptibility to pressure, manifest deficiency of character etc is an example of what irritated me in times gone by. His talent and achievements are fairly universally recognised now which is all he or his fans can really ask for, and if people choose not to like him that is their democratic right.

Baffy said:

Barry anyone who goes to Darwin gets a shock!!

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alright true ...... but lets say Jumkie would go stark ravin mad!



to which, as he was rolling around in the gutter in a state of frenzy, two passers by would have the following conversation:



pb1 " whats up with that coot?"



pb2 "looks like he's gone bonkers"



pb1 " yeah .... that'd be right "



pb1 & 2 walk on ....

Baffy said:

Jumkie you enjoy these threads way too much

On a serious note, can anyone name a successful australian motoGP rider who was 'liked' world wide?

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good point! hahaha Mike Mladin, fast, total .....



Baffy, you get my MO. Well done sir. Btw...



I liked Doohan though, and liked him more after he retired. How can you dislike a guy that had a stipper club?

BarryMachine said:

alright true ...... but lets say Jumkie would go stark ravin mad!

to which, as he was rolling around in the gutter in a state of frenzy, two passers by would have the following conversation:



pb1 " whats up with that coot?"



pb2 "looks like he's gone bonkers"



pb1 " yeah .... that'd be right "



pb1 & 2 walk on ....

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How do you know that exact conversation hasn't happened already?

Jumkie said:

How do you know that exact conversation hasn't happened already?

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By the girls while you harassed hayden not long ago?