Hold on Lex,hasn`t Colins Tech 3 Yam figured above Nickys Duke for most of the season in general?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 15 2009, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No doubt. Hayden's performance has been pretty weak this season. If Ducati go after Kallio for the #2 seat, Hayden may have no choice but to ride for a satellite team.
Imo, if Hayden stays in GP to ride on a satellite bike, he's wasting his time. He could go to ride the Ducati in WSBK with a handful of other GP riders. He can have fun and wait until after the 2011 season to see if the 990s return. If the 990s come back, Hayden will be a hot property.
I've often thought how exciting it would be to watch Hayden on a 1098. It might be good for him to go over to World Supers and see if he can't get some confidence back. Maybe things will go back to 990s and he might have some value in GP again. If not, he can work on becoming the only rider to win a MotoGP world championship and a WSBK world championship.
Then again, any ride on a Yamaha at this point has to be very, very enticing. Maybe it's the fanboy in me rearing its ugly head, but look at what CE has done this season. I rate Hayden higher than Edwards, it could be an opportunity to be fighting for podiums again. He's said before his desire is to remain in GP, this might be his best option to do that.
Imo, if Hayden stays in GP to ride on a satellite bike, he's wasting his time. He could go to ride the Ducati in WSBK with a handful of other GP riders. He can have fun and wait until after the 2011 season to see if the 990s return. If the 990s come back, Hayden will be a hot property.
I've often thought how exciting it would be to watch Hayden on a 1098. It might be good for him to go over to World Supers and see if he can't get some confidence back. Maybe things will go back to 990s and he might have some value in GP again. If not, he can work on becoming the only rider to win a MotoGP world championship and a WSBK world championship.
Then again, any ride on a Yamaha at this point has to be very, very enticing. Maybe it's the fanboy in me rearing its ugly head, but look at what CE has done this season. I rate Hayden higher than Edwards, it could be an opportunity to be fighting for podiums again. He's said before his desire is to remain in GP, this might be his best option to do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 15 2009, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've often thought how exciting it would be to watch Hayden on a 1098. It might be good for him to go over to World Supers and see if he can't get some confidence back. Maybe things will go back to 990s and he might have some value in GP again. If not, he can work on becoming the only rider to win a MotoGP world championship and a WSBK world championship.
Then again, any ride on a Yamaha at this point has to be very, very enticing. Maybe it's the fanboy in me rearing its ugly head, but look at what CE has done this season. I rate Hayden higher than Edwards, it could be an opportunity to be fighting for podiums again. He's said before his desire is to remain in GP, this might be his best option to do that.
Thats what I`m talking about,thanks Austin.
Then again, any ride on a Yamaha at this point has to be very, very enticing. Maybe it's the fanboy in me rearing its ugly head, but look at what CE has done this season. I rate Hayden higher than Edwards, it could be an opportunity to be fighting for podiums again. He's said before his desire is to remain in GP, this might be his best option to do that.
Thats what I`m talking about,thanks Austin.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 15 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats what I`m talking about,thanks Austin.
Cheers, Drill.
Cheers, Drill.
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I would love to see Nicky on the 1098 but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.
Regardless if Kallio does better than him in the 2nd half of the season Ducati will give him
another year before they part ways. Look at the sales NH generated on the 848 replica
bike. No disrespect to Kallio but a guy coming from the land of fish appendages will never
be a great marketing tool to the rest of the world and in the end it's all about money.
The only way you would see Nicky leave Ducati this year was if he truly believed that he can
never ride the Ducati. Have you ever met a racer who had the word "never" in their vocabulary
(besides 2008 Melandri) These guys are hard wired to never admit failure or defeat and Nicky may be the most stubborn guy out there.
I don't think he's going to accept any other offers because he believes the other bike is better. He will leave only if he believes the Ducati is completely unridable which is something I don't think he is ready to do yet
Regardless if Kallio does better than him in the 2nd half of the season Ducati will give him
another year before they part ways. Look at the sales NH generated on the 848 replica
bike. No disrespect to Kallio but a guy coming from the land of fish appendages will never
be a great marketing tool to the rest of the world and in the end it's all about money.
The only way you would see Nicky leave Ducati this year was if he truly believed that he can
never ride the Ducati. Have you ever met a racer who had the word "never" in their vocabulary
(besides 2008 Melandri) These guys are hard wired to never admit failure or defeat and Nicky may be the most stubborn guy out there.
I don't think he's going to accept any other offers because he believes the other bike is better. He will leave only if he believes the Ducati is completely unridable which is something I don't think he is ready to do yet
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Aug 16 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would love to see Nicky on the 1098 but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.
Regardless if Kallio does better than him in the 2nd half of the season Ducati will give him
another year before they part ways. Look at the sales NH generated on the 848 replica
bike. No disrespect to Kallio but a guy coming from the land of fish appendages will never
be a great marketing tool to the rest of the world and in the end it's all about money.
The only way you would see Nicky leave Ducati this year was if he truly believed that he can
never ride the Ducati. Have you ever met a racer who had the word "never" in their vocabulary
(besides 2008 Melandri) These guys are hard wired to never admit failure or defeat and Nicky may be the most stubborn guy out there.
I don't think he's going to accept any other offers because he believes the other bike is better. He will leave only if he believes the Ducati is completely unridable which is something I don't think he is ready to do yet
Has Nicky contract being extended by Ducati, then?
Regardless if Kallio does better than him in the 2nd half of the season Ducati will give him
another year before they part ways. Look at the sales NH generated on the 848 replica
bike. No disrespect to Kallio but a guy coming from the land of fish appendages will never
be a great marketing tool to the rest of the world and in the end it's all about money.
The only way you would see Nicky leave Ducati this year was if he truly believed that he can
never ride the Ducati. Have you ever met a racer who had the word "never" in their vocabulary
(besides 2008 Melandri) These guys are hard wired to never admit failure or defeat and Nicky may be the most stubborn guy out there.
I don't think he's going to accept any other offers because he believes the other bike is better. He will leave only if he believes the Ducati is completely unridable which is something I don't think he is ready to do yet
Has Nicky contract being extended by Ducati, then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Aug 16 2009, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has Nicky contract being extended by Ducati, then?
nothing official yet..... should know no later than sept.
nothing official yet..... should know no later than sept.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 15 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hold on Lex,hasn`t Colins Tech 3 Yam figured above Nickys Duke for most of the season in general?
....!!! But not today!!
....!!! But not today!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 15 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm starting to wonder if Ducati will exercise the option to keep Hayden in 2010. Kallio has looked better than Hayden thus far this weekend (I know, small sample size but it just reaffirms his strong rides this season) and Kropotkin has a rumor that Ducati and Marlboro will go all out to sign Lorenzo. Assuming Stoner comes back, the Lorenzo rumor and Kallio's speed on the factory bike have to be worrying for Hayden.
I understand Ducati seeing Loerenzo as their saviour. Personally - I think what will
save Ducati for future seasons - will be Hayden and Kalio's efforts to develop a
more user-friendly Ducati. Seems Ducati is still in denial and wants to blame the
riders and not the bike. I think Lorenzo has pretty much played his hand as
regards changing seats. He's hot-headed and a bit greedy - but I don't think
he'd be stupid enough to go to Ducati. It's be a huge step backwards and Lorenzo
clearly doesn't have the patience to spend half, or three quarters of a season sorting
the freakish Ducati in order to ride it well the following season. I'd bet my house against
Lorenzo going to the house of D.
I understand Ducati seeing Loerenzo as their saviour. Personally - I think what will
save Ducati for future seasons - will be Hayden and Kalio's efforts to develop a
more user-friendly Ducati. Seems Ducati is still in denial and wants to blame the
riders and not the bike. I think Lorenzo has pretty much played his hand as
regards changing seats. He's hot-headed and a bit greedy - but I don't think
he'd be stupid enough to go to Ducati. It's be a huge step backwards and Lorenzo
clearly doesn't have the patience to spend half, or three quarters of a season sorting
the freakish Ducati in order to ride it well the following season. I'd bet my house against
Lorenzo going to the house of D.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Aug 13 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok guys.... here's a question for you.....
What is the common demoniator about the 2 highlighted sentences above??????
Jeremy Burgess (and his crew) & Vale.
As much as I am a Rossi fan, lets remember life before Rossi.
Ok there was Doohan & Gardner before that. All of who were very good riders.
But exactly how good is JB?
Is he the man for teams to be chasing?
What could he accomplish at Ducati or Suzuki?
What is the landscape going to look like when Vale finally hangs up his helmet?
Will JB hang up his spanner?
Behind every great rider is an equally great engineer.
I believe it is what the engineer can get from the equipment the are handed from the factory.
But the engineer needs to understand what the rider wants & the rider needs to be able to tell the engineer what he is feeling or experiencing out on the track.
A great relationship between the rider and crew/engineer is worth alot more than some think (or don't think!)
Agreed! Rossi and JB turned that crappy 990 M1 into a winner. I believe theyre also responsible for for having the best bike on the grid now.
Taken from Wikipedia
"Valentino Rossi signed a two-year contract with Yamaha, reportedly worth in excess of USD$6 million per season, in a move that was described by the press as "biting off more than he could chew". It was widely felt not only by his critics and media pundits, but also by many fans, that even he would not be able to bring the struggling YZR-M1 up to the level of the hereto all conquering Honda RC211V. A well publicised increase in the pace of development of the Honda machine over the winter season fuelled expectation that a Honda RC211V in the hands of riders the calibre of Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau would have no problem in retaining the World Title for Honda.
Meanwhile, Rossi wasn't the only defection Honda had to contend with; Jeremy Burgess (crew chief for Rossi at Honda), along with the majority of his long established crew, were convinced by Rossi to join him at Yamaha. This was a shrewd move, and was cited by Rossi in his autobiography as being instrumental in providing him with the strong basis necessary for launching an attack on the Championship with the YZR-M1.
During 2003/2004 winter testing, Yamaha stepped up to the plate by pulling out all the stops in their collaboration with Rossi and Burgess. Through a systematic regime of innovation and testing, they sought to refine the M1's traditionally strong traits such as good braking and quick handling (which impressed Rossi), and marry them with good balance and transition to power. Working closely with Rossi and Burgess, Yamaha engineers under YZR-M1 project leader Koichi Tsuji experimented with a number of engine modifications in an attempt to fix the power delivery, and finally it was decided to go ahead with a four valve per cylinder head configuration (as opposed to the earlier five valve head), with a specially refined cylinder firing order. This turned the straight four cylinder engine from a traditional "screamer", where the power pulses are spaced equally in the four stroke cycle, into a so called "big bang" engine where the power pulses are grouped unevenly across the cycle. These developments significantly improved the torque characteristics of the engine, and coupled with slight changes to the position of the engine in the chassis, made the M1 much easier to control at the limit of adhesion while exiting corners. After a frantic winter of development and testing, the team showed the world that they had made a significant step in the right direction, when Rossi and the M1 won the BMW car at the 2004 pre season IRTA test at Catalunya, by posting the fastest lap of the open session (similar to normal race qualifying).
With the traditional first race of the season at Suzuka off the list due to safety considerations, the 2004 season started at Welkom in South Africa. In a quite remarkable race, Rossi came through to claim the victory, not only silencing his critics, but becoming the first man in history to win two GPs back to back with two different manufacturers. Rossi would go on to claim 8 more GP wins on his way to win the 2004 Championship, with a tally of 304 points. Honda riders Sete Gibernau and Max Biaggi took second and third with 257 and 217 points respectively.
The 2004 season would therefore unfold to give Rossi the opportunity he had sought; to prove that it was his talent rather than just the bike that had won him his championships. In so doing, he also achieved one of the great coups in the history of Motorcycle Racing.
The YZR-M1 and Rossi partnership continued to dominate in 2005, when the Championship was won by a massive 147 point margin over Honda rider Marco Melandri in second place.The 2005 M1 was hailed by insiders to be a great race bike , it illustrated that Yamaha with input from Rossi had created a race bike to beat the others quite easily.Rossi would go on later to say that the 2005 M1 was the greatest bike he has ever ridden."
What is the common demoniator about the 2 highlighted sentences above??????
Jeremy Burgess (and his crew) & Vale.
As much as I am a Rossi fan, lets remember life before Rossi.
Ok there was Doohan & Gardner before that. All of who were very good riders.
But exactly how good is JB?
Is he the man for teams to be chasing?
What could he accomplish at Ducati or Suzuki?
What is the landscape going to look like when Vale finally hangs up his helmet?
Will JB hang up his spanner?
Behind every great rider is an equally great engineer.
I believe it is what the engineer can get from the equipment the are handed from the factory.
But the engineer needs to understand what the rider wants & the rider needs to be able to tell the engineer what he is feeling or experiencing out on the track.
A great relationship between the rider and crew/engineer is worth alot more than some think (or don't think!)
Agreed! Rossi and JB turned that crappy 990 M1 into a winner. I believe theyre also responsible for for having the best bike on the grid now.
Taken from Wikipedia
"Valentino Rossi signed a two-year contract with Yamaha, reportedly worth in excess of USD$6 million per season, in a move that was described by the press as "biting off more than he could chew". It was widely felt not only by his critics and media pundits, but also by many fans, that even he would not be able to bring the struggling YZR-M1 up to the level of the hereto all conquering Honda RC211V. A well publicised increase in the pace of development of the Honda machine over the winter season fuelled expectation that a Honda RC211V in the hands of riders the calibre of Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau would have no problem in retaining the World Title for Honda.
Meanwhile, Rossi wasn't the only defection Honda had to contend with; Jeremy Burgess (crew chief for Rossi at Honda), along with the majority of his long established crew, were convinced by Rossi to join him at Yamaha. This was a shrewd move, and was cited by Rossi in his autobiography as being instrumental in providing him with the strong basis necessary for launching an attack on the Championship with the YZR-M1.
During 2003/2004 winter testing, Yamaha stepped up to the plate by pulling out all the stops in their collaboration with Rossi and Burgess. Through a systematic regime of innovation and testing, they sought to refine the M1's traditionally strong traits such as good braking and quick handling (which impressed Rossi), and marry them with good balance and transition to power. Working closely with Rossi and Burgess, Yamaha engineers under YZR-M1 project leader Koichi Tsuji experimented with a number of engine modifications in an attempt to fix the power delivery, and finally it was decided to go ahead with a four valve per cylinder head configuration (as opposed to the earlier five valve head), with a specially refined cylinder firing order. This turned the straight four cylinder engine from a traditional "screamer", where the power pulses are spaced equally in the four stroke cycle, into a so called "big bang" engine where the power pulses are grouped unevenly across the cycle. These developments significantly improved the torque characteristics of the engine, and coupled with slight changes to the position of the engine in the chassis, made the M1 much easier to control at the limit of adhesion while exiting corners. After a frantic winter of development and testing, the team showed the world that they had made a significant step in the right direction, when Rossi and the M1 won the BMW car at the 2004 pre season IRTA test at Catalunya, by posting the fastest lap of the open session (similar to normal race qualifying).
With the traditional first race of the season at Suzuka off the list due to safety considerations, the 2004 season started at Welkom in South Africa. In a quite remarkable race, Rossi came through to claim the victory, not only silencing his critics, but becoming the first man in history to win two GPs back to back with two different manufacturers. Rossi would go on to claim 8 more GP wins on his way to win the 2004 Championship, with a tally of 304 points. Honda riders Sete Gibernau and Max Biaggi took second and third with 257 and 217 points respectively.
The 2004 season would therefore unfold to give Rossi the opportunity he had sought; to prove that it was his talent rather than just the bike that had won him his championships. In so doing, he also achieved one of the great coups in the history of Motorcycle Racing.
The YZR-M1 and Rossi partnership continued to dominate in 2005, when the Championship was won by a massive 147 point margin over Honda rider Marco Melandri in second place.The 2005 M1 was hailed by insiders to be a great race bike , it illustrated that Yamaha with input from Rossi had created a race bike to beat the others quite easily.Rossi would go on later to say that the 2005 M1 was the greatest bike he has ever ridden."
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From the latest issue RRW:
"Ducati Moto GP Boss Livio Suppo says he will keep Hayden for 2010.
"We're very happy with Nicky, his attitude is perfect, he never gives
up and his results are growing," Said Suppo. "I think if you had asked
Nicky at Mugello if he wanted to stay or not, he probably would have
said "thank you, I go," but now I think it's totally different.
Suppo wasn't waiving a contract in front of the reporters - but it sure sounds
like there is a solid commitment from both Suppo and Hayden.
"Ducati Moto GP Boss Livio Suppo says he will keep Hayden for 2010.
"We're very happy with Nicky, his attitude is perfect, he never gives
up and his results are growing," Said Suppo. "I think if you had asked
Nicky at Mugello if he wanted to stay or not, he probably would have
said "thank you, I go," but now I think it's totally different.
Suppo wasn't waiving a contract in front of the reporters - but it sure sounds
like there is a solid commitment from both Suppo and Hayden.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 15 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not all satellite bikes are created equal. Ducati is like riding a 2nd tear satellite. Regularly beat by satellite Yamaha and Honda. Ducati=Suzuki. Only the extraordinary effort put in by hungry Hayden & hungry Kalio are making the Duc seem 'midpack' otherwise they'd be Kawa/Suzuki ATM.
Instead of making it look the 'championship winner' it actually is by Stoner?
You forgot to put the word medicore in there somewhere.
No matter how much I hate to admit it, Kallio does have more in common with Hayden than I like to admit.
Instead of making it look the 'championship winner' it actually is by Stoner?
You forgot to put the word medicore in there somewhere.
No matter how much I hate to admit it, Kallio does have more in common with Hayden than I like to admit.
