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'Soup linking Hayden with Tech 3 Yamaha

Austin

Austin

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There's an article over at SuperbikePlanet talking about Toseland's future with Tech 3 and the rumors are that he will not be re-signed for 2010. Given the obvious US bias, 'Soup links both Ben Spies and John Hopkins with the seat but say the name most commonly linked to team up with Edwards is Nicky Hayden. Read the article here.

Personally, I wanted to see Nicky come good with the Ducati but maybe he feels as though a wall has been hit. Riding a Yamaha would be an instant boost for Nicky. Thoughts?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 12 2009, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's an article over at SuperbikePlanet talking about Toseland's future with Tech 3 and the rumors are that he will not be re-signed for 2010. Given the obvious US bias, 'Soup links both Ben Spies and John Hopkins with the seat but say the name most commonly linked to team up with Edwards is Nicky Hayden. Read the article here.

Personally, I wanted to see Nicky come good with the Ducati but maybe he feels as though a wall has been hit. Riding a Yamaha would be an instant boost for Nicky. Thoughts?
........! Casey may be done for good (so Ducati would for sure keep Hayden who can sell bikes)
Herve said he wasn't interested in Hopkins, but they listed him as a possibility.
 
I should add that 'Soup says the other most linked rider is Spies. Although Kropotkin has an interview with Herve Poncheral and he essentially says that Spies won't be coming to MotoGP in 2010 unless he wins the WSBK title this year.
 
I too would like Nicky to come good with the Duke but if a chance with Yamaha is there then I say take it,should be a more relaxed ambience with CE there I should think too.Interesting news on Ben Spies though,who knows which way that could go with it being tight at the top in WSBK.Nice find mate.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 12 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I too would like Nicky to come good with the Duke but if a chance with Yamaha is there then I say take it,should be a more relaxed ambience with CE there I should think too.Interesting news on Ben Spies though,who knows which way that could go with it being tight at the top in WSBK.Nice find mate.
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I would agree with you. If nicky has a chance to ride the yama than he should take it. It just seems like Spies seat. I read something on here not to long ago about how Spies wanted to come to gp sooner than later and yamaha is who he wants. It would also explain why ducati would bring up Kilio instead of bringing in a factory wildcard.
 
hmmm.... nicky on an M1.... i like the sound of that but methinks he'll stay with ducati. it's their option & he says he wants to stay so with the stoner situation being as it is i see him stayin at ducati in 10.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 12 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hmmm.... nicky on an M1.... i like the sound of that but methinks he'll stay with ducati. it's their option & he says he wants to stay so with the stoner situation being as it is i see him stayin at ducati in 10.

Its actually a tough decision for him,thinking about it,if he falls on his face at Duc in 2010 will Yamaha still want him in 2011?Best `o luck Nicky from the Drill fan club.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 12 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It just seems like Spies seat.
if he wins the sbk title for sure then it will be. the other thing that will bring him is someone makes an offer he can't refuse. for instance if suzuki were to tell ben that denning & crew were gettin the boot & were bringing in the yosh guys & k. schwantz in as team pricipal, he'd be puttin pen to paper tommorro.
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I read that Hayden really wants to stay with the duke as he saw it as a challenge which he wants suceed in. I think he will stay with ducati but i think like many that if the offer is there with tech3 then he should take it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 12 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wondered what would tempt Ben back to Suzuki and you`ve just answered that brother Frost.
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My bet - yam would take spies anytime over Hayden - who since his gifted 2006 really hasn't done much. If spies is as good a rider as he looks he won't take the Suzie dog if he has a chance at a yam. CE & NH even on yams are at best good candidates for 4th place and beyond, but with few exceptions since assen 2006 not for the pointed end of the pack
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Aug 12 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My bet - yam would take spies anytime over Hayden - who since his gifted 2006 really hasn't done much. If spies is as good a rider as he looks he won't take the Suzie dog if he has a chance at a yam. CE & NH even on yams are at best good candidates for 4th place and beyond, but with few exceptions since assen 2006 not for the pointed end of the pack

I wouldn`t call Haydens title gifted mate,more like consistency and the old chesnut of thats racind,everybody gets a bit of luck now and again but vevertheless he was consistent.My spelling is awful tonite.
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My guess is that Ducati use Brno and Indy as open competition for the second factory seat. If Kallio can compete with Hayden or finish ahead of him, I don't think Ducati will re-up with Nicky. At that point it would make a lot of sense for Yamaha to sign Hayden up as a potential long term replacement for Edwards.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 13 2009, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My guess is that Ducati use Brno and Indy as open competition for the second factory seat. If Kallio can compete with Hayden or finish ahead of him, I don't think Ducati will re-up with Nicky. At that point it would make a lot of sense for Yamaha to sign Hayden up as a potential long term replacement for Edwards.

NFI in reality but, in this scenario (ie. CE and NH at tech3) it allows a 'transition' type year.

2010 - CE+NH with 2010 being CE's last (how often have we said that)
2011 - NH+Spies
2012 - NH+?? as that would depend on teh Fiat team makeup

But, NH may well be a higher commodity now with the totally unconfirmed left field like rumours regarding CS and Ducati.





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 12 2009, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>NFI in reality but, in this scenario (ie. CE and NH at tech3) it allows a 'transition' type year.

2010 - CE+NH with 2010 being CE's last (how often have we said that)
2011 - NH+Spies
2012 - NH+?? as that would depend on teh Fiat team makeup

But, NH may well be a higher commodity now with the totally unconfirmed left field like rumours regarding CS and Ducati.





Garry
Sorry, don't know what NFI means.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 13 2009, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, don't know what NFI means.


Sorry Austin - must be an ockerism (Aussie)

NFI - No Farkin Idea
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Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 12 2009, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Austin - must be an ockerism (Aussie)

NFI - No Farkin Idea
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Gaz
No worries, should've been able to piece it together. The transition year is really what caught my eye. From everything I've been reading Yamaha are nearing the end of paying for Edwards's rides. Not that Spies, or any rider within Tech 3, would have any major impact on development, but I'd imagine Yamaha would like to have someone who has knowledge in bike development for their paid seat at Tech 3 when Spies comes to town. Putting Nicky on the Yamaha Japan seat would give him time to acclimate to the bike before he would take the reins from CE in whatever development tasks Edwards has handled while at Tech 3.

Besides, if you've got the best bike on the grid and a former world champion's stock is at an all-time low, there isn't much of a risk in matching the two. That is, assuming Spies doesn't come this year, Hayden doesn't re-sign with Ducati and Hayden agrees to join a satellite team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 12 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its actually a tough decision for him,thinking about it,if he falls on his face at Duc in 2010 will Yamaha still want him in 2011?Best `o luck Nicky from the Drill fan club.
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Yea, it's not an easy choice.

<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%(I assume Hayden knows a lot more about what's 'really' going on with Casey/Ducati. Ignore this and other inside info. Base your decision on what's publicly available.)

If you're Nick, what do you do?

A ) Stick with Ducati? (Risky.)
If Duc gets it right in 2010, he could find himself on the best bike on the grid. Depending on how the Stoner issue shakes out, he just might wind up as the lead rider too. Throw in some luck and a second title isn't completely out of the question. It's a long shot, but these guys live for the chance....

Or.... he might be stuck humping a big red dog, fighting to finish in the top ten. A faceplant in '10 will do his career no good whatsoever.


B ) Jump ship to Tech3? (The 'safe' bet.)
The bike is much more developmentally stable and is better understood. Solid results almost guaranteed. Occasional podiums likely. Possibly establish yourself as the next Edwards, ensuring a few more years at the top.

But.... almost zero chance of repeat title. Stepping down to a satellite team will be seen by all as the beginning of the end of his MotoGP career.



Which option would PS readers choose?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 12 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if he wins the sbk title for sure then it will be. the other thing that will bring him is someone makes an offer he can't refuse. for instance if suzuki were to tell ben that denning & crew were gettin the boot & were bringing in the yosh guys & k. schwantz in as team pricipal, he'd be puttin pen to paper tommorro.
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^^^Even with Yosh tuning the Suzuki and Schwantz as principal the Suzuki seems hopelessly undeveloped. Spies would be taking a monstrous risk with Suzuki. The same can be said about the career killer errr i mean the Ducati. The Yamaha would seem to be the best bet. One thing stands out to me is Ben's height. I met him a while back and I am 6'2" tall and Ben seems like about 6' 0". All of the skill in the world may not be enough to overcome having to ride something small enough for my three year old to ride.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Aug 13 2009, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^Even with Yosh tuning the Suzuki and Schwantz as principal the Suzuki seems hopelessly undeveloped. Spies would be taking a monstrous risk with Suzuki. The same can be said about the career killer errr i mean the Ducati. The Yamaha would seem to be the best bet. One thing stands out to me is Ben's height. I met him a while back and I am 6'2" tall and <span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Ben seems like about 6' 0". All of the skill in the world may not be enough to overcome having to ride something small enough for my three year old to ride.
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rossi is 5' 11''. i think everyone is overstating the size issue here.
 

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