so what wrong with the other ducati's???
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The bike isn't good enough, the tyres aren't good enough, the riders aren't good enough. The usual reasons
i was disappointed with marco's result, i will wait and see what he says about it. hopefully bikergirl can tell us what the italian press are saying.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 10 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whats the reason for the lack of performance by the other ducatis?
I hear Stoner gets all the new batteries for his electronics and the others get his used ones.
Its actually a shame not to see those guys running up there, Melandri especially. But its just plain Stoner he knows what to do with that Duc. He even makes it look better in his riding style, all the photos I see that Duc. looks like its doing something when its Stoner is on it.
Hate to see Melandri and Elias in that situation though ..... and Guinters.
I hear Stoner gets all the new batteries for his electronics and the others get his used ones.
Its actually a shame not to see those guys running up there, Melandri especially. But its just plain Stoner he knows what to do with that Duc. He even makes it look better in his riding style, all the photos I see that Duc. looks like its doing something when its Stoner is on it.
Hate to see Melandri and Elias in that situation though ..... and Guinters.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 9 2008, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whats the reason for the lack of performance by the other ducatis?
I thought Marco was gonna be a real handful this year. Supposedly the best bike with the best tyres, but I am shocked by his lack of performance.
Do you think that Ducati has focused entirely on building a bike to suit Casey to ensure another championship, at the expense of the other riders.
Marco seems to be a bit of a slow starter when joining a new team, but he is no slouch and riding around in 15th or 16th ain't right.
Remember, Casey was supposedly 3rd choice to get the Duc ride, behind Melandri and Hopper ( If you discount Rossi as well ).
I thought Marco was gonna be a real handful this year. Supposedly the best bike with the best tyres, but I am shocked by his lack of performance.
Do you think that Ducati has focused entirely on building a bike to suit Casey to ensure another championship, at the expense of the other riders.
Marco seems to be a bit of a slow starter when joining a new team, but he is no slouch and riding around in 15th or 16th ain't right.
Remember, Casey was supposedly 3rd choice to get the Duc ride, behind Melandri and Hopper ( If you discount Rossi as well ).
Ducati didn't build the bike around Stoner, they built the bike based on feedback from Guareschi and Capirossi. Capi was happi
until they gave him the bike in Jan 07. He says everything he wanted was gone and the bike was completely different to what he expected. I'm not sure if the redesign was based around the software controlling the engine, but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with fuel management i.e. they were never going to make race distance with the 06 settings.
Capi opinion follows that of Rossi who said Ducati are similar to Honda they rely more on simulations an engineers opinions rather than the riders. Troy Bayliss had a similar experience in 03 December testing where the bike a hybrid of 03/04 worked really well and he was very comfortable. 04 tests were a disaster and the bike again was different from what he and Capirossi expected, turned out to be a piece of junk as we all know. Basically Ducati seem to build and hope like hell someone can ride it. Evidently the only guy capable out of seven riders is Stoner. Was the bike built around him, nope but it sure as hell is now.
Frankly Ducati don't have the best guys on the other bikes. Elias struggled to adapt to probably the easiest and well developed bike in 06. Nothing special in 07, so really expectations should be low to bugger all for him. Guintoli even less so. Then you've got MRNG who struggles to keep a V5 Honda consistent from one race to the next. Unfortunately Ducati do not have strong support for Stoner.
Sucks to be Ducati if Stoner gets injured, I wonder if Max would get a run as a replacement?
Capi opinion follows that of Rossi who said Ducati are similar to Honda they rely more on simulations an engineers opinions rather than the riders. Troy Bayliss had a similar experience in 03 December testing where the bike a hybrid of 03/04 worked really well and he was very comfortable. 04 tests were a disaster and the bike again was different from what he and Capirossi expected, turned out to be a piece of junk as we all know. Basically Ducati seem to build and hope like hell someone can ride it. Evidently the only guy capable out of seven riders is Stoner. Was the bike built around him, nope but it sure as hell is now.
Frankly Ducati don't have the best guys on the other bikes. Elias struggled to adapt to probably the easiest and well developed bike in 06. Nothing special in 07, so really expectations should be low to bugger all for him. Guintoli even less so. Then you've got MRNG who struggles to keep a V5 Honda consistent from one race to the next. Unfortunately Ducati do not have strong support for Stoner.
Sucks to be Ducati if Stoner gets injured, I wonder if Max would get a run as a replacement?
The Ducati GP7 was an evolutionary design based on the 2006 machine & was pretty much already built before Stoner had even put pen to paper on the 2007 Ducati contract, so there's so way the 07 machine was designed purely for him.
As for the GP8, well one can plainly see that outwardly the bike hasn't changed very much so it's improbable that Ducati have altered the design of this years machine around Stoner ( like Honda did for Pedrochio last year ). It would be a brave call to say otherwise.
Anyway, all these GP bikes have nearly infinite adjustments built right in purely to cater for individual tastes & preferences anyway, do they not?
It simply seems to be that once again, Stoner can manage to get the best out of the Duke whereas the others are still struggling. Whether that situation will change as the year progresses, we'll have to wait & see...
As for the GP8, well one can plainly see that outwardly the bike hasn't changed very much so it's improbable that Ducati have altered the design of this years machine around Stoner ( like Honda did for Pedrochio last year ). It would be a brave call to say otherwise.
Anyway, all these GP bikes have nearly infinite adjustments built right in purely to cater for individual tastes & preferences anyway, do they not?
It simply seems to be that once again, Stoner can manage to get the best out of the Duke whereas the others are still struggling. Whether that situation will change as the year progresses, we'll have to wait & see...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Mar 10 2008, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati didn't build the bike around Stoner, they built the bike based on feedback from Guareschi and Capirossi. Capi was happi
thats true, coz stoner was injured in the 06/07 off season. so he had zero test sessions on the bike untill probably the first test session of 07.... so to say it was built around casey is utter B.S
thats true, coz stoner was injured in the 06/07 off season. so he had zero test sessions on the bike untill probably the first test session of 07.... so to say it was built around casey is utter B.S
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It may turn out that the only real advantage Ducati has, is that it uses the fuel better than the others. It is not so much the peak power, it is the fact of making the same power using less fuel, or more power using the same fuel. Remember the stories about hidden reservoirs one year ago?
Ok.. How can this help Casey so much, other than down the straights?
I read an interesting suggestion in another forum: Casey is a dirt-track or flat-track (or whatever it's called) kind of rider, meaning he uses the throttle to turn the bike into the corners, cutting the dead gap between braking and acceleration. Now, the interesting observation is that while this style may be advantageous, it does use more fuel.
Look at Nicky Hayden - he also likes to ride that way, but on the Honda he can hardly do it. Have you seen Pedrochio's Honda being pushed to the paddock on Sunday, out of fuel? Remember Phillip island last year, when Hayden had to stop for unknown reasons when he was keeping Stoner's pace? It's not always obvious or so visible. These bikes are smart, they automatically make the mixture leaner if their ECU thinks the fuel is not going to last the distance... So you may still run, but slower.
So this is where Stoner's style and the Ducati may match so marvelously... At least it does explain something. It's all speculation, but sooner or later we'll know for sure - because there IS always an explanation other than supernatural powers
It may turn out that the only real advantage Ducati has, is that it uses the fuel better than the others. It is not so much the peak power, it is the fact of making the same power using less fuel, or more power using the same fuel. Remember the stories about hidden reservoirs one year ago?
Ok.. How can this help Casey so much, other than down the straights?
I read an interesting suggestion in another forum: Casey is a dirt-track or flat-track (or whatever it's called) kind of rider, meaning he uses the throttle to turn the bike into the corners, cutting the dead gap between braking and acceleration. Now, the interesting observation is that while this style may be advantageous, it does use more fuel.
Look at Nicky Hayden - he also likes to ride that way, but on the Honda he can hardly do it. Have you seen Pedrochio's Honda being pushed to the paddock on Sunday, out of fuel? Remember Phillip island last year, when Hayden had to stop for unknown reasons when he was keeping Stoner's pace? It's not always obvious or so visible. These bikes are smart, they automatically make the mixture leaner if their ECU thinks the fuel is not going to last the distance... So you may still run, but slower.
So this is where Stoner's style and the Ducati may match so marvelously... At least it does explain something. It's all speculation, but sooner or later we'll know for sure - because there IS always an explanation other than supernatural powers
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Stoners bike is also the lightest of the Ducatis .... his single digit no. is far lighter than those flashy double digit jobbies ....
It is mindboggling why one guy can go so well on them and yet the others are having so much trouble.
It even looks like with Capi gone they may not get the constructors WC ...... bet they are feeling gratious toward Capi now over last year thats for sure.
It is mindboggling why one guy can go so well on them and yet the others are having so much trouble.
It even looks like with Capi gone they may not get the constructors WC ...... bet they are feeling gratious toward Capi now over last year thats for sure.
I recall an interview with Suppo that said when Stoner was setting up the bike the changes that he asked for was crazy. Nobody in their right mind would set up a bike like that. However, they had faith in him and it worked. I think that Suppo is giving Stoner part of the setup credit for his results. Can't seem to locate that article though...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe Stoner is a better rider then everyone says and think
You mean a human rider, or one with supernatural powers? Stoner has enough power and skill of his own, for sure -- he's great, but are you saying he has a 2 seconds advantage in his right wrist? Hmmm. When Rossi showed that kind of margin, actually it was Michelin giving him the 'saturday night' tyres. When Doohan had, he was the only rider with the 'big bang' engine. All these explanations have come out in due time, so I think there must be a more sensible explanation than superhuman powers this time as well
You mean a human rider, or one with supernatural powers? Stoner has enough power and skill of his own, for sure -- he's great, but are you saying he has a 2 seconds advantage in his right wrist? Hmmm. When Rossi showed that kind of margin, actually it was Michelin giving him the 'saturday night' tyres. When Doohan had, he was the only rider with the 'big bang' engine. All these explanations have come out in due time, so I think there must be a more sensible explanation than superhuman powers this time as well
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 9 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whats the reason for the lack of performance by the other ducatis?
Good question Pinks. The only answer I have is the rider. The bike is very unique and is in perfect harmony with Stoner, alone. That is it.
Good question Pinks. The only answer I have is the rider. The bike is very unique and is in perfect harmony with Stoner, alone. That is it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 9 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The bike isn't good enough, the tyres aren't good enough, the riders aren't good enough. The usual reasons
I haven't read anybody say that, so why have you? Simply because it may apply to other manufactures doesn't mean it applies to the Ducati. Some bikes have obvious development problems tire issues, lacking engine power, etc. and it is general made public. Unless you know something that hasn't been published.
I haven't read anybody say that, so why have you? Simply because it may apply to other manufactures doesn't mean it applies to the Ducati. Some bikes have obvious development problems tire issues, lacking engine power, etc. and it is general made public. Unless you know something that hasn't been published.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Mar 10 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you think that Ducati has focused entirely on building a bike to suit Casey to ensure another championship, at the expense of the other riders.
No. We are talking about the pride of Italian racing heritage here with a very well respected and liked Italian rider. I'm sure Ducati would love to not only win the championship, with who ever, but have the runner up be a Ducati, every race and for the title.
No. We are talking about the pride of Italian racing heritage here with a very well respected and liked Italian rider. I'm sure Ducati would love to not only win the championship, with who ever, but have the runner up be a Ducati, every race and for the title.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (muzzy57 @ Mar 10 2008, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Ducati GP7 was an evolutionary design based on the 2006 machine & was pretty much already built before Stoner had even put pen to paper on the 2007 Ducati contract, so there's so way the 07 machine was designed purely for him.
As for the GP8, well one can plainly see that outwardly the bike hasn't changed very much so it's improbable that Ducati have altered the design of this years machine around Stoner ( like Honda did for Pedrochio last year ). It would be a brave call to say otherwise.
Anyway, all these GP bikes have nearly infinite adjustments built right in purely to cater for individual tastes & preferences anyway, do they not?
It simply seems to be that once again, Stoner can manage to get the best out of the Duke whereas the others are still struggling. Whether that situation will change as the year progresses, we'll have to wait & see...
Absolutely.
As for the GP8, well one can plainly see that outwardly the bike hasn't changed very much so it's improbable that Ducati have altered the design of this years machine around Stoner ( like Honda did for Pedrochio last year ). It would be a brave call to say otherwise.
Anyway, all these GP bikes have nearly infinite adjustments built right in purely to cater for individual tastes & preferences anyway, do they not?
It simply seems to be that once again, Stoner can manage to get the best out of the Duke whereas the others are still struggling. Whether that situation will change as the year progresses, we'll have to wait & see...
Absolutely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good question Pinks. The only answer I have is the rider. The bike is very unique and is in perfect harmony with Stoner, alone. That is it.
after the bollocking loris got last year for beating stoner i expect the other ducati riders are to scared to compete. or there bikes are de tuned so it doesnt happen again
after the bollocking loris got last year for beating stoner i expect the other ducati riders are to scared to compete. or there bikes are de tuned so it doesnt happen again
