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So what are Hayden's chances?

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What do you think are Nicky's chances?

I think he has a shot, at least one of the top four contenders. What do you think? (Be gentle, this coming from a Hayden fan
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From Crash.net
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>After a disastrous 2007 season, where he meekly surrendered his
MotoGP
crown and finished eighth in the standings,
Nicky Hayden says he is looking to try and reclaim the title in 2008.

The American endured a difficult year wearing the #1 aboard his Repsol
Honda as he finished the campaign 240 points behind Ducati's Casey Stoner but said his focus was very much on trying to take the title back this year.

"My aim this year is simple: to win the title," he said. "I know that after the last season it may seem madness, but I think that when you achieve something once, you can do it again. We'll soon find out; it's not long before the season starts. I can't wait."


During pre-season testing, Hayden has been busy swapping between the new-for-2008 pneumatic-valve engine, which he hopes to race with, and the 'standard' spring-valve design from 2007 as the team tries to make a decision on which engine it will use for the start of the season in Qatar.

Consider this:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Pneumatics Becomes the New Buzzword

If ‘tyres' was the F-word in the paddock last year, this season it's definitely the rush to pneumatic valve-gear which is provoking chatter. But is pneumatic valve gear really necessary in MotoGP?

Some paddock pundits are saying that while this form of valve control might give an extra 1,000rpm at the top end, higher revs increase fuel consumption at a time when everyone's trying to coax a race distance from their 21 litres of fuel.

So let's hear a crew chief's opinion. Pete Benson, who tended Nicky Hayden's Honda to the championship in 2006, is firmly in favour of pneumatics. “They give you a lot more scope for making radical cam profiles, which helps with things such as acceleration” he says.


“The problem with a spring is getting it to do what you want for a reasonable mileage. There seems to be a lot of inconsistency in spring quality at the moment.”

Sadly, for an engineer so firmly pro-pneumatics, Benson won't be using HRC Honda's version of this technology at Jerez this weekend – and possibly for several races into the season. The new engine has proved problematical in testing, so Nicky and Dani Pedrosa will be relying on old technology to start the year.

Cause for concern or am I in a panic?
 
I hope your just panicing like I am, but the bike is meant for a guy half his size.

I think 2008 will see him capture a few wins. I think a top 5 in points though is what he will get.


Then Nicky tells Honda to F- off and gets a ride elsewhere were they let a World Champ lead the team, not a 21 year old pet robot.

Nicky will win first over his teammate.
 
My heart is stubbornly refusing to think of anything less than another championship.

But unfortunately my head thinks top five is about right.

Honda are having problems with the engine, and what about Michelin? Have they really closed the gap with Bridgestone yet?
I don't think they have, their qualifiers are good, but Nicky's race pace during simulations hasn't exactly been great.
Add to that all the usual crap from Honda thinking the sun shines out of dani's arse, and I'm a bit pessimistic.
No doubt Nicky's going to put everything into it as usual, but I'm not sure he's got the package to do it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 15 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you think are Nicky's chances?
not a hope in hell mate, lucky to get top 10 i recon. should honda slpit the pedro / hayden team he may have a better chance
 
I am a Rossi fan totally. I hope Rossi reclaims the title that has eluded him the past couple of years. Having said that I would be happy to see Nicky wrestle the #2 plate from Pedrosa. If I saw that I would probably giggle myself to sleep for a month. Nicky works too hard (who would have thought bringing a world title back to Honda would result in such poor treatment)and seems so sincere that it would be difficult to <u>not</u> wish him well. Cheers Nicky, best of luck.
 
I'd like to see him do well, but I just can't see it happening with all the ........ between Hayden, Puig, Pedrosa and Honda. They don't seem to have any one clear direction and that doesn't make for a united team effort. I hope he at least gets closer to the front than he was for most of last season. Good Luck - he's gonna need it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Feb 15 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda are having problems with the engine, and what about Michelin? Have they really closed the gap with Bridgestone yet?
Yes on top of all uncertainty surrounding the engine; we still have that tire situation. So not only does Hayden have to overcome the performance gap, but Michelin is a real question mark that Honda, with all its supposed resources, can do nothing to improve what goes on at the rubber company.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 15 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>not a hope in hell mate, lucky to get top 10 i recon. should honda slpit the pedro / hayden team he may have a better chance
Well I agree that he may not have the best chance, but surely he will be in the top 5, I think, and hope.
 
he'll win title #2... me being very optimistic. he'll be in the top 5 for sure. a much more likely to happen. he beats blockheaded pedrochio at ever turn. this would satisfy me completely
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then in 09 honda seperate nicky & turd boy. a new japanese teamate for puigs puppet & nicky in his own red bull honda team....
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yeah right....
 
Wrong tires, wrong bike, wrong engine.

I fully expect Nicky to do better than last year but a championship is asking for a lot.

As long as the new engine is "problematic" Nicky will be giving away 1.5 days of practice at every round.

Just like 2006 all over again. Use the junk on friday and saturday 1, bolt together the good stuff for QP, then hope the Q tires didn't mask any setup problems you may have had during QP when you run on Sunday.

Good luck Nicky.

His only chance is for the bike and the tires to develop in his favor in 2008. Maybe if he's really really lucky Honda will figure out pneumatics mid-season and Nicky will get to ride a few rounds on a world-beater before Dani gets to profit from Nicky's hard work.

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Hayden shouldn't be thinking he can win the championship just because hes won it before (under very special circumstances) with only 2 wins.

He should be thinking of winning more than 2 races this year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Feb 15 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden shouldn't be thinking he can win the championship just because hes won it before (under very special circumstances) with only 2 wins.

He should be thinking of winning more than 2 races this year.

Yes, you're right. Those were special circumstances.

As far as I know he is the only development rider to ever win the title.
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When are you gonna realize the list of things he had to overcome was so long, he wasn't going to win it without a little help.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 16 2008, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, you're right. Those were special circumstances.

As far as I know he is the only development rider to ever win the title.
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When are you gonna realize the list of things he had to overcome was so long, he wasn't going to win it without a little help.
The only special circumstance I can see is that a lot of fans would have preferred a different rider to win. It has been my observation whilst watching bike racing for a couple of decades that the rider with the most points at the end of the season is commonly awarded the championship
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 16 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only special circumstance I can see is that a lot of fans would have preferred a different rider to win. It has been my observation whilst watching bike racing for a couple of decades that the rider with the most points at the end of the season is commonly awarded the championship
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Exactly. The guy got the job done in the end and regardless of some people trying to downplay things he is the 2006 Motogp champion. The history books will say the same for ever and a day.
I think he needs to cut himself loose from the Honda umbrella before we can start to see him consistently back in the mix at the front. Either that or Pedrosa and Puig need to move on for it to happen.
I get the feeling Puig wields are fair amount of influence at Repsol Honda and hopefully Nicky wont go and sign another deal with them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 16 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I agree that he may not have the best chance, but surely he will be in the top 5, I think, and hope.

I don't honda will give him the tools he needs to get top 5....and if he even gets near the top 5 dani will throw his toys out of the pram so nicky will get shafted again...or more....

I have to agree with Roger-M...Nicky will be lucky to end up top 10...and Honda won't split the 'team' to suit both riders and I think everyone knows it....the only the split will work is that Nicky leaves the team....

Betting website are putting Nicky average odds at 20 to 1....behind Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, Melandri, and Lorenzo...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 15 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you think are Nicky's chances?

Of winning the BMW: As good as anyone elses I think. We know what Nicky can do on Qualifying tyres and i think its pretty open this year.

Overall for 2008: I haven't got high hopes. I feel Nicky has continued to underperform this winter. He is one of the hardest working guys for sure but a million laps are not worth a lot when hear the same "we didn't make any big steps" every time he gets off the bike followed by a stunning qualifying lap with old hardware. I think the bike this year will be better than last years bike (which was runner up in the title and won the final race lets remember) and i think Michelin will be closer to equality. I think Dani's injury will have harmed development slightly but that wont be so significant in the greater scheme of the season overall. Honestly i think Nickies troubles lie with him more than the equipment and if he doesn't get faster then he might end up on mid-pack equipment for the first time next year, as a fan i don't want that to happen.
 
I think nicky can win individual races but has little chance of winning another world championship whilst he stays with hrc. If he went somewhere else, particularly ducati, who knows?
 

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