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Pedrosa issues Honda quit threat
Eurosport - Mon, 25 Jun 14:34:00 2007

Dani Pedrosa has warned his Repsol Honda team that he will have no problem waving goodbye at the end of the season unless they up their game.

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The 21-year-old Spaniard, who is out of contract at the end of the season, has been Honda's top performer all season with four podium finishes from eight races and lies third in the world championship.

But with a 59 point deficit to championship leader Casey Stoner, the two-time Moto GP race winner has made it clear that he will listen to offers from rival teams unless Honda can give him a bike worthy of his talents.

Pedrosa told the El Mundo newspaper: "It is not necessary to close the doors [on other options]. At the moment there is no need to focus solely upon this year's performance. It is not necessary to think that there is only one option available [to me].

"If there are much better things, I am not going to refrain from them in order to stay [here] with something not so good."

Much of Pedrosa's frustration stems from Honda's inability to produce a race-winning bike built to the 800cc rules that were new for this season.

The Japanese manufacturer's inability to win the British Grand Prix at the weekend (in which the Spaniard was once more their best finisher in eighth), stretched their winless streak to nine races - their longest barren run for 17 years.

And Pedrosa, who won world titles in 125s in 2003 and in 250s in 2004 and 2005 before stepping up to the premier class, has become disillusioned as a result.

"Unfortunately I did not [hope for this], I thought it looked better from the outside," he added. From the first race we have not taken any great steps and I don't know if we will be able to do much more before the end [of the season]."

Pedrosa's remarks are likely to spark a flurry of interest for 2009 with Ducati, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki factory squads all with seats to fill.
 
sound like theres a mutiny brewing at honda. sounds like all there riders are ready to jump ship.
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Of course Pedrosa's speaking up. He spent five years beating Stoner hollow in every class and every race. Now suddenly Stoner's on a bike that resembles a drag racer down the straights and apparently handles too, and everyones forgotten about the little spaniard who was once a world championship contender.

So lets make a list of Honda riders and their prospects:
Melandri - Jumping ship to Ducati
Elias - Probably jumping ship
Checa - will probably retire
Hayden - Won't continue on a bike that is the reason for his terrible title defence
Pedrosa - Apparently threatening to jump ship
Nakano - Will stay with Konica if they offer, he'll take what he can get

So only Nakano will be left for Honda at this point next year as it seems. They'll probably bring Dovvy up if I had to guess, and maybe De Angelis too. But they're in a serious problem right now.
 
Hinda has admitted its mistake and are no doubt working hard to improve the bike. Dani's comment is probable a slap in their face.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Since I first rode the 800 I've asked for many things to be changed, but they are working too much with Dani. They have no time. They have to win one race with Dani first, then maybe they can work with us," Melandri told Crash.net.


Yesterday's race in the rain in no way reflects the bikes perfomance. Rather its rider's skill and tires that make a difference in the wet. Most of these bikes have more power than the the tires can handle. The Ducatis are able to use the power more effectively. Either its better traction control or the tires (bridgestones) (or ofcourse the rider). The top speed makes and impact in only a few tracks.
 
See ya and dont forget to take your stupid ... mentor with you.I hope he does leave Honda because they WILL sort it out.It would be hilarious to se him jump ship and then Honda have the dominant bike next year.That is a very likely scenario considering their history.As far as Hayden,he is under contract thru next year so i doubt he is going anywhere.
 
Crazy. Nobody is happy with Honda right now.

What the hell happened with them?! They have more money than God, so you'd think that they would have sorted it by now.

They should build a whole new friggin bike if they have to!

It would be absolutely comical to see Honda develop a bike completely around Pedrosa (size wise), to the point that other riders have a very difficult time with it, and then have HIM quit! The other riders would quit because they can't ride a Dani-size bike, and Dani would quit because even though it's Dani-size it's still slow. Poor poor Honda if that's the case!
 
it's their fault!..Honda should have never had the rules changed...their plan back fired, plain and simple..they thought with mini-me on a 800 they'd dominate and get revenge on Rossi..instead they ...... it up for everybody....the 990s should've never been replaced with the 800s...
 
How documented is it that it was Honda's plan to change to 800? I've heard lots of speculation, but no real proof. Did they really push it through against the will of the other teams?
 
Phorest, thats what I'm wondering too. Everyones accepting it as fact, but I've not seen any proof of this.
 
Who knows what Honda was thinking with this years bike. It appears they have made improvements, I was shocked to see Hayden running up front in practices and in the race before he fell. I know Hayden won't quit and I would love to see him out perform Pedrosa after these comments.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Jun 25 2007, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How documented is it that it was Honda's plan to change to 800? I've heard lots of speculation, but no real proof. Did they really push it through against the will of the other teams?
i think it was the beginning of last season i heard the eurosport commentators say it was honda that were pushing for the 800 rule due to safety reasons.
 
I found this link form 2005.

http://www.crash.net/news_view.asp?cid=6&id=112344

Seems that Honda did have a head start on developing smaller engines that could be used within the new regulations..
You have to wonder though what went on behind the scenes that lead up to all these rule changes.
I don't think Honda would just waste money on trying to develop a small race engine configuration during the regular season..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 25 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sound like theres a mutiny brewing at honda. sounds like all there riders are ready to jump ship.
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can you really blame them? honda are supposed to be the top manufacturer and they havent won a race for... was portugal the last time?
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as someone said dani has been beating stoner for years and all of a sudden casey now has a bike that works and he's kicking, not just his, but everybodys ...!

id be pissed off as well if i was one of the favourites for the championship and after a few rounds didnt stand a chance because my bike wasnt performing.

honda definately got it wrong this year, very, very wrong...


oh, and i love the thread title by the way, very funny
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Someone can tell me what was the specific problems? What is going on with the bike? Chassis?

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I know that Hayden said that the new chassis made huge improvements. I think that the bikes were lacking front-end feel before. In addition they had no top speed compared to the Ducati, something like 10-15 kph down. Also, Michelin haven't been performing as well as Bridgestone. So basically, everything went wrong for Honda
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Jun 25 2007, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Someone can tell me what was the specific problems? What is going on with the bike? Chassis?

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no feel from the front and the engine is ....... gutless i think.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 25 2007, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no feel from the front and the engine is ....... gutless i think.who'd have thought we'd be saying this about a Honda?
 
I have been saying for awhile that Honda will struggle to get good riders next year because they put all their eggs in one basket. If they were supporting all their riders equally then they would have 7x the development feedback and would surely not be facing these problems.

I believe the problem is the mass centralisation theory which appears to be not the best way to build a bike.

I laugh when these stars who have a dream run throughout their careers with the best bikes in each class, whinge and ..... and moan when they no longer have the best bike. Casey has never had the best bike on the grid in any class he has raced but has still produced results enough to get himself in to a factory team where he can use HIS SKILL to give feedback to the team to help them develop HIS bike to be the best on the grid (I am sure Loris doesn't think his Duke is the best bike on the grid)

Is the theory that in motorcycle racing the bike is 20% and the rider is 80% of the equation dead? Is it like F1 where the machine is 90% and the rider/driver is only 10%?
 
It seems the Honda-Michelin-rider combo is inferior, its not like Pedrosa (though he’s doing well enough), Melandri, and Hayden have suddenly forgotten how to ride a bike. I think its probably beyond Honda at the moment. I think they are suffering from something called “group think” and I think the solution is to scrap what they got and redesign rather than try to improve on what they got. I’m not sure how the tire contracts work, but if they do decide to redesign, they should push for a control tire in GP (if in fact they wield great influence upon the sport).
 

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