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Sachsenring - 2022

Keshav

Keshav

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Well, no chance of Marquez repeating last year's results. Olivera loves this track and so does Fabs. Will we see more evidence of Ducati's confused schemes for dominance?

Just now thinking how long Marquez has been at it in the premiere class. Hard to believe he's almost 30. It's like that niece or nephew you only see at holidays. I sort of still think of him as he skinny pipsqueak Murder Marc from the Moto 2 class. If he comes back next year and kicks ..., it'll be amazing. But I have my eye on Quartararo. The sheer amount of not-crashing he has had is pretty damned Valentino-like. If he keeps this up, the French will once again revert to type: ie hopelessly arrogant. :D
 
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Last year it was cool and cloudy with a chance of rain, if it's hot this year might be someone else at the pointy end. Wasn't that race the start of Vinales's meltdown.
 
According to Simon Patterson on Twitter, Alex Rins is cleared to ride at the Sachsenring

Must not have been a serious break?
 
I see FQ dominating this race. The Yamaha is perfect for that circuit layout. I'm picking him to take pole and the outright win.
 
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Keshav said:
Well, no chance of Marquez repeating last year's results. Olivera loves this track and so does Fabs. Will we see more evidence of Ducati's confused schemes for dominance?

Just now thinking how long Marquez has been at it in the premiere class. Hard to believe he's almost 30. It's like that niece or nephew you only see at holidays. I sort of still think of him as he skinny pipsqueak Murder Marc from the Moto 2 class. If he comes back next year and kicks ..., it'll be amazing. But I have my eye on Quartararo. The sheer amount of not-crashing he has had is pretty damned Valentino-like. If he keeps this up, the French will once again revert to type: ie hopelessly arrogant. :D
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Absolutely no doubt FQ has it.

Would like to see MM come back for a year or two and crown his career, perhaps he can if the operation works but not counting on it.
 
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I see FQ dominating this race. The Yamaha is perfect for that circuit layout. I'm picking him to take pole and the outright win.
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On paper it looks like Fabio's to lose, but the Yamaha is pretty sensitive so he'll need to nail the setup.

P7 in FP2. The Fabio backers hope he is running race sims again like Catalunya.
 
michaelm said:
Absolutely no doubt FQ has it.



Would like to see MM come back for a year or two and crown his career, perhaps he can if the operation works but not counting on it.
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Agreed.
Even if he comes but at full fitness next year, he hasn't improved.
The competition has had >2 years to improve their game in the heat of competition.

I think he will win races and hope for another championship, but I don't see him ever dominating again.
 
Bags and Fabs. Shaping up to look like a good race. Should be hot and sunny. I’m looking forward to it.

I wonder if Michelin has changed the compound again. Seems based on the last race the hard compound was not delivering its intended effect of providing more grip at the end of the race. Going to be interesting to see which tires the different riders use this time.
 
Quats looks like he has good race pace. Why is it taking so long for race direction to penalize Jack for crashing under the yellow...which he clearly did. Crafar hoping they go lenient because grip was so low but when grip is low at the end of a race and you slide 1 millimeter onto the green paint, you get hosed. Rules are rules.....or so they keep telling me.
 
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Quats looks like he has good race pace. Why is it taking so long for race direction to penalize Jack for crashing under the yellow...which he clearly did. Crafar hoping they go lenient because grip was so low but when grip is low at the end of a race and you slide 1 millimeter onto the green paint, you get hosed. Rules are rules.....or so they keep telling me.
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RD have given a long lap penalty.

Reason for delays may well have been that (reportedly) Jack and Ducati took telemetry that showed he had slowed by braking earlier but still crashed.

Bias as all hell here but the penalty should apply for anyone that did not slow - and they do or could have micro-sector timing available. I have no issues with the penalty in terms that it put the marshalls in danger but wish that race direction would apply the slow down under yellow rule far more often and equitably.
 
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Gaz said:
RD have given a long lap penalty.

Reason for delays may well have been that (reportedly) Jack and Ducati took telemetry that showed he had slowed by braking earlier but still crashed.

Bias as all hell here but the penalty should apply for anyone that did not slow - and they do or could have micro-sector timing available. I have no issues with the penalty in terms that it put the marshalls in danger but wish that race direction would apply the slow down under yellow rule far more often and equitably.
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Agreed. I hate the one size fits all or zero tolerance mindsets.
 
What is it with the rear tyre low siding halfway through the corner.
That never used to happen.
Not uncommon at all now.
Michelin, electonics, ride height device, aero? Wtf is causing it? [emoji2369]
 
Another great ride anyway. He certainly looks to have the goods.
Will be unstoppable with a decent engine, should that ever come to pass.
 
:diablo: Great win there for Fabio. :clap3: :notworthy:

Great ride by Zarco considering how knackered he looked.
 
Great rides by all the finishers. Everybody on the podium seemed knackered. Amazing that Fabio took off running to the grandstands after the finish. He said he was sick all weekend and was coughing during the race. Man what a performance considering that and the heat.

Fabio continues to impress. Again using a softer tire than everybody else except Mav he made it last the race and made it look easy while doing so.

Pecco blinked. Again.
 
Fallcesco is a crying baby. Every time he falls (and this happens a lot) he NEVER manage to get the bike up and return back to racing. The race had just started, he could have make for 10th or even more, collecting some important points for him and for the team. You rarely see (actually never) MM93 or FQ20 giving up a race if they can come back. This is one of the reasons they are champions and Crashnaia not.

He preferred to stay there pointing to the bike, the tires, then walking away, instead of going back to race.

Pathetic attitude.

And there is something very, very wrong inside Ducati garage. They have 8 bikes, a very competitive platform, but can't even make for 4th place in the standings. I think it's time to start changing something on the board of directors, they have to find the source of all those "bad luck" events.

And I have to start thinking Gigi is the one to blame. Yes, he's skilled to make good machines, but can't capitalize over it. Meanwhile, Suzuki won 1 WC just after coming back without a sattelite team. When the subject is riders, Gigi doesn't have a clue how to treat them. It seems he treats riders as numbers: the more, the better. It doesn't appear to be a very efficient way of doing races. You don't need more than a total of 1 rider to be champion. You just need a good one and to give him what he needs to evolve to a WC status, as Yamaha does, as Honda does, as Suzuki does.

I think Gigi may have some degree of autism. He clearly spends many time with machines and not enought time with real persons.
 
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I don't think Gigi is the one making hirings and dismissals. He wanted Lorenzo to remain but it didn't matter. Ducati as a whole functions in an inefficient way and by the looks of it, there are many headbuttings in the form of having too many managers and bosses, just like there are too many Duc bikes in the paddock right now. The whole enterprise seems disjointed.

Anyways, changing the subject, it looks like Fabio's rival is not found within the current paddock; it will either be a rebirthed Marc (on a rebirthed Honda) or one of the future talents in the lower categories. He can do some serious feasting in the short term, unless Yamaha messes up the development of the bike.
 
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Fallcesco is a crying baby. Every time he falls (and this happens a lot) he NEVER manage to get the bike up and return back to racing. The race had just started, he could have make for 10th or even more, collecting some important points for him and for the team. You rarely see (actually never) MM93 or FQ20 giving up a race if they can come back. This is one of the reasons they are champions and Crashnaia not.

He preferred to stay there pointing to the bike, the tires, then walking away, instead of going back to race.

Pathetic attitude.

And there is something very, very wrong inside Ducati garage. They have 8 bikes, a very competitive platform, but can't even make for 4th place in the standings. I think it's time to start changing something on the board of directors, they have to find the source of all those "bad luck" events.

And I have to start thinking Gigi is the one to blame. Yes, he's skilled to make good machines, but can't capitalize over it. Meanwhile, Suzuki won 1 WC just after coming back without a sattelite team. When the subject is riders, Gigi doesn't have a clue how to treat them. It seems he treats riders as numbers: the more, the better. It doesn't appear to be a very efficient way of doing races. You don't need more than a total of 1 rider to be champion. You just need a good one and to give him what he needs to evolve to a WC status, as Yamaha does, as Honda does, as Suzuki does.

I think Gigi may have some degree of autism. He clearly spends many time with machines and not enought time with real persons.
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Well this begs the question: who is really in control and pulling all the strings at Ducati? Somehow I doubt that it is Gigi. It may used to have been him a ways back.

It seems that over the last couple of years Gigi has been pushed back into the back of the garage a bit. You don’t see him on camera talking to the media. You rarely see him at all. It’s Tardozzi that gets all the cameras and does all the talking.

To his credit, Gigi has produced a bike that turns and goes like the devil.

Somebody forgot to tell Fabio that he and his Yamaha aren’t supposed to win.
 
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