Rossis problem...am i right?

What if Rossi loses this years championship???

My personal impression is, that for the fans of MotoGP AND Rossi Rossi can be considered unbeaten to this day. the loss of the championship in 2006....ok...I like hayden and he is good, but we all know that if rossis bike hadnt been broke a few times he would have made it and in 2007 the ducati was simply unbeatable (of course stoner was good! very good! no question!).

but NOW Rossi has an opponent on the SAME material who is fast and both went down approx. the same number of times this year!

what do you think?

if rossi loses against lorenzo: would it be considered any how different than gainst the other two riders? do you think the fans would think he finally has found his "master" in lorenzo? do you think this "best rider in the world" image would begin to vanish?

cause I think so!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Sep 4 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What if Rossi loses this years championship???

My personal impression is, that for the fans of MotoGP AND Rossi Rossi can be considered unbeaten to this day. the loss of the championship in 2006....ok...I like hayden and he is good, but we all know that if rossis bike hadnt been broke a few times he would have made it and in 2007 the ducati was simply unbeatable (of course stoner was good! very good! no question!).

but NOW Rossi has an opponent on the SAME material who is fast and both went down approx. the same number of times this year!

what do you think?

if rossi loses against lorenzo: would it be considered any how different than gainst the other two riders? do you think the fans would think he finally has found his "master" in lorenzo? do you think this "best rider in the world" image would begin to vanish?

cause I think so!

Rossi ain't got no problem, he is the GOAT, no question. But even the GOAT can be beaten and if Whore-gay wins it this year (by sheer will power), Rossi will punish him next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Sep 4 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What if Rossi loses this years championship???

My personal impression is, that for the fans of MotoGP AND Rossi Rossi can be considered unbeaten to this day. the loss of the championship in 2006....ok...I like hayden and he is good, but we all know that if rossis bike hadnt been broke a few times he would have made it and in 2007 the ducati was simply unbeatable (of course stoner was good! very good! no question!).

but NOW Rossi has an opponent on the SAME material who is fast and both went down approx. the same number of times this year!

what do you think?

if rossi loses against lorenzo: would it be considered any how different than gainst the other two riders? do you think the fans would think he finally has found his "master" in lorenzo? do you think this "best rider in the world" image would begin to vanish?

cause I think so!

No - he's far too venerable for that.

Also, regarding the championship, he has a one race cushion. Like CK recently observed, unless his M1 takes a crap, or he lobs it at some point, which is very unlikely, such a points advantage to the Doctor is otherwise unassailable. Indy has made the Championship more intriguing, but I'd say that Vale has this wrapped up. I'd say Valentino has two definite race wins in Phillip Island and Sepang and I can't see him finishing off the block in the races that remain.

But then can Casey throw a spanner in the Yamaha works?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Sep 4 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What if Rossi loses this years championship???

My personal impression is, that for the fans of MotoGP AND Rossi Rossi can be considered unbeaten to this day. the loss of the championship in 2006....ok...I like hayden and he is good, but we all know that if rossis bike hadnt been broke a few times he would have made it and in 2007 the ducati was simply unbeatable (of course stoner was good! very good! no question!).


what do you think?

Passi, that is a very BIAS assessment buddy.

Ok, how about I form a thread topic like this: Can Rossi's MotoGP titles be considered legit since all of them were on superior machines, special tires, and preferential treatment?

In 08 Rossi won because his competitors crashed, just like your 06 assessment. So he doesn't deserve that title. In 09, if he wins, he doesn't deserve that one because his greatest challenger was sick, so he doesn't deserve this one either, etc. etc. So I conclude that ROSSI HAS NEVER BEATEN ANYBODY.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Sep 4 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What if Rossi loses this years championship???

My personal impression is, that for the fans of MotoGP AND Rossi Rossi can be considered unbeaten to this day. the loss of the championship in 2006....ok...I like hayden and he is good, but we all know that if rossis bike hadnt been broke a few times he would have made it and in 2007 the ducati was simply unbeatable (of course stoner was good! very good! no question!).

but NOW Rossi has an opponent on the SAME material who is fast and both went down approx. the same number of times this year!

what do you think?

if rossi loses against lorenzo: would it be considered any how different than gainst the other two riders? do you think the fans would think he finally has found his "master" in lorenzo? do you think this "best rider in the world" image would begin to vanish?

cause I think so!

Are we really still claiming that the Ducati was "unbeatable"?? Not one single rider has been competitive on the bike except Casey Stoner. It sure looks like the Yam is the best bike in the field at the moment. Is that the only reason a guy like Lorenzo has a chance? It's just the bike huh. Rossi's fanatics just can't admit that the guy can and has been beaten.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Sep 4 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's fanatics just can't admit that the guy can and has been beaten.

So true.

And I'm of the opinion Rossi is probably the greatest

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 4 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No - he's far too venerable for that.

Also, regarding the championship, he has a one race cushion. Like CK recently observed, unless his M1 takes a crap, or he lobs it at some point, which is very unlikely, <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%such a points advantage to the Doctor is otherwise unassailable. Indy has made the Championship more intriguing, but I'd say that Vale has this wrapped up. I'd say Valentino has two definite race wins in Phillip Island and Sepang and I can't see him finishing off the block in the races that remain.

But then can Casey throw a spanner in the Yamaha works?
you know in 06 everyone, including me, said the same thing going into velencia. rossi had a 5 point advantage the championship is over..... hmmmmmmm.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Sep 4 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are we really still claiming that the Ducati was "unbeatable"?? Not one single rider has been competitive on the bike except Casey Stoner. It sure looks like the Yam is the best bike in the field at the moment. Is that the only reason a guy like Lorenzo has a chance? It's just the bike huh. Rossi's fanatics just can't admit that the guy can and has been beaten.



Yes bro, its 09 and its still happening. Amazing really after dispelling and debunking this theory.

Yes, Rossi is great, but he's been beaten (fact), its a rare thing for sure, but it did and does happen.

As Walter Villa used to say, in the end what matters is what remains written in the books.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 4 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Passi, that is a very BIAS assessment buddy.

Ok, how about I form a thread topic like this: Can Rossi's MotoGP titles be considered legit since all of them were on superior machines, special tires, and preferential treatment?

In 08 Rossi won because his competitors crashed, just like your 06 assessment. So he doesn't deserve that title. In 09, if he wins, he doesn't deserve that one because his greatest challenger was sick, so he doesn't deserve this one either, etc. etc. So I conclude that ROSSI HAS NEVER BEATEN ANYBODY.

oh well...thats a good point jumkie! think you're right there!!!

but with the ducati thing:

my opinion is, it simply fitted stoners needs perfectly! rossi DEVELOPED his bikes, casey didnt have to!!! rossi = complete racer! (and i say it again: i LOVE the series itself!! i have more "motogp"-caps, then caps of any rider!!! ;-)=

my question was:

after U saw hayden and stoner beat rossi....U didnt really see the fans "run away" from rossi! (of course who would is no real rossifan but only opportune.
but lorenzo does more show than the other riders and would win on same material! so: do you think youd see more and more lorenzocaps / shirts, etc. and always less rossi-stuff?

you know what i mean! (my english is too bad to express my self more clearly! (<= always a good aplology for writing crap! )

greetz!

PASSI

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Sep 4 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What if Rossi loses this years championship???

My personal impression is, that for the fans of MotoGP AND Rossi Rossi can be considered unbeaten to this day. the loss of the championship in 2006....ok...I like hayden and he is good, but we all know that if rossis bike hadnt been broke a few times he would have made it and in 2007 the ducati was simply unbeatable (of course stoner was good! very good! no question!).

but NOW Rossi has an opponent on the SAME material who is fast and both went down approx. the same number of times this year!

what do you think?

if rossi loses against lorenzo: would it be considered any how different than gainst the other two riders? do you think the fans would think he finally has found his "master" in lorenzo? do you think this "best rider in the world" image would begin to vanish?

cause I think so!


Dont be Fkin silly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 4 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As Walter Villa used to say, in the end what matters is what remains written in the books.

but, that will not stop people trying to rewrite history, nor will it stop people from colouring it for their own use as many people canot acept that VR has been beatn by deserving people who out-rode him across a championship year.

Instead, we all read about VR 'losing' 2006 and how the Ducati was the winner.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 5 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but, that will not stop people trying to rewrite history, nor will it stop people from colouring it for their own use as many people canot acept that VR has been beatn by deserving people who out-rode him across a championship year.

Instead, we all read about VR 'losing' 2006 and how the Ducati was the winner.





Gaz

What remains written is who won--not the "how", not the "if" and "but". The names of the winners cannot be rewritten... All the colorings will fade away in time, the names will stay.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Sep 5 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my question was:

after U saw hayden and stoner beat rossi....U didnt really see the fans "run away" from rossi! (of course who would is no real rossifan but only opportune.

True, the fans did not desert Rossi due to teh loss of a championship or two, but then, one only has to read many forums and see taht some 'fans' do not consider that Rossi was indeed beaten so much as beat himself (2006) and by technology and a superior bike (2007). So no, they did not desert him but did and still do look at reasons that offer 'excuses' or explain away the abomination of VR not winning. But that is not all fans as many accept what happened and readily acknowledge the superiority of the 2006/2007 championship winning riders.

But I will also counter and say that 2006/7 were only losses and unlike many sports, in my experience within Motorsports most fans are far more loyal and accept that their 'rider/driver' cannot win every race.

The truer test is the reaction when VR retires and how many 'fans' leave the sport because of his departure as it will show a lot of things in relation to why those people are watching the sport or the rider (much like golf will have a similar situation with Tiger Woods if/when he retires)







Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 5 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What remains written is who won--not the "how", not the "if" and "but". The names of the winners cannot be rewritten... All the colorings will fade away in time, the names will stay.


Totally know all of that as I play golf and caddy at some professional tournaments where the favourite saying (aside from 'check the racl on that') is 'it aint how, but how many'

But still for many years to go people will try to rewrite the manner of how - watch.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 5 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True, the fans did not desert Rossi due to teh loss of a championship or two, but then, one only has to read many forums and see taht some 'fans' do not consider that Rossi was indeed beaten so much as beat himself (2006) and by technology and a superior bike (2007). So no, they did not desert him but did and still do look at reasons that offer 'excuses' or explain away the abomination of VR not winning. But that is not all fans as many accept what happened and readily acknowledge the superiority of the 2006/2007 championship winning riders.

But I will also counter and say that 2006/7 were only losses and unlike many sports, in my experience within Motorsports most fans are far more loyal and accept that their 'rider/driver' cannot win every race.

The truer test is the reaction when VR retires and how many 'fans' leave the sport because of his departure as it will show a lot of things in relation to why those people are watching the sport or the rider (much like golf will have a similar situation with Tiger Woods if/when he retires)







Gaz

Good post as ever Gaz, but I think many of the Rossi 'band wagon' fraternity, at this point, will simply shift their allegiance to whoever is winning, and gradually get bored and begin to desert the sport.

If Manchester United suddenly ceased to be and Old Trafford vaporized overnight, (I have a dream people), many of the so called red army scattered all over the country, would probably start supporting Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal. I's only the genuine Mancunians that would cease to support a team altogether, or perhaps turn their attention to Man City.

Only the most captive and ignorant fans can dream that their favorite rider or brand/make can win all races and all championships... For those, then, every defeat is a humiliating blow that needs to be removed from the psyche or integrated in some way

Same applies to the ignorant haters in the opposite camp, they are waiting for every defeat of the hated rider to decree him finished, crushed, finally humiliated etc. etc.

What an attitude..

<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"IF" has been happining for many years now

Rossi got what it takes to make it to the finish line. So, no he won't lose. The only way he can lose is if he gives the title to JL. JL hasn't hit puberty yet and a rape case with JL vs VR might affect the results. At this point I don't care for JL and know that VR will win. Wait a see. I've also made my mind this season, and decided WSBK will be getting more importance from my side.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 5 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"IF" has been happining for many years now

I know that,I`m a Hayden fan...l I F e.