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Rossi: Why MotoGP has become boring

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Rossi: Why MotoGP has become boring

"..you had to play until the last lap, so you had to have the sensitivity, the intuition, to make the right move—and the brilliance to invent something

Rossi's finest overtake? Stoner didn't think so...

IN AN exclusive interview with roadracerx.com, reigning MotoGP World Champion Valentino Rossi has said he thinks MotoGP is becoming less exciting and more like Formula One.

The Doctor points the finger at the technology-driven 800cc MotoGP bikes, pinpointing 'Bridgestone, and the electronics’ as they key factors leading to the less dramatic racing we see in today's MotoGP.

"These factors have transformed bikes and the way that they’re ridden," Rossi told roadracerx.com. "Before, the bikes slid a lot, especially in the final laps, and then we had to go slower in the corners. Right there are two factors that bring the riders together and improve the show. Removing those elements, our races become more and more boring, so we’ve lost that advantage, in terms of the show, that we had over Formula 1."

Rossi also points out a lack of overtaking in today's MotoGP races, claiming machine set-up for consistently fast lap times is more important than sticking in daring overtaking manoeuvres, which, let's face it, are the most entertaining parts of any motorcycle race.

"Before (MotoGP), you could see more passes in just one 500 race than in an entire season of F1!" said Rossi. "Now, unfortunately, wins are constructed. The races are less and less about strategy, and more and more about setup. Before, you could get to the end of the race with two or even more riders contending, so you could strategize and make your moves.

"If there was no possibility of pulling away, you had to play until the last lap, so you had to have the sensitivity, the intuition, to make the right move—and the brilliance to invent something. Now, above all, you have to think about getting the bike set up to have a good race pace and try to go faster than the others."

Despite his obvious love of the hard-riding 500cc days, Rossi still rates his overtaking move on Casey Stoner, down the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca in 2008, as one of his finest. When asked if it topped his stunning Phillip Island performance in 2003 - the one where Rossi was given a 10-second penalty and still won the race, he said:

"Let’s say that the pass at Laguna Seca in 2008 was better, because the conditions were completely different: that race was really difficult to win ... Laguna, if you think about the difficulty: that pass was the most difficult, and above all the most important."

"I’ll say that Welkom 2004 and Laguna Seca 2008 are the best races of my career."

Check back later today for 2010 MotoGP updates and don't forget, as if you could, the season opener at Qatar on Sunday.



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Nothing new with the 800=boring comments. Citing bridgestone as one of the key factors is interesting. The obvious longevity of the compounds and other chracteristics of their tyre development has more than aided the nature of the racing. Hopefully bridgestone pulling out of both motogp and f1 soon will help in turning it all around.

Welkom 04 was IMO one of rossi's defining moments, so much was on the line in that race....
 
Well said Vale!!
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More from roadracerx interview.

HONDA V5

The greatest MotoGP bike ever?

IN AN exclusive interview with roadracerx.com MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi has said his Honda RC211 V5 MotoGP bike, which took the Italian to the 2003 and 2004 championships, was 'a missile'.

Asked about his time at Honda, and in particular the company's awesome 250bhp 990cc V5 racer, Rossi replied:

"For sure, the V5 was incredible! They’d made a bike that definitely made a difference.

"On my bike, the frame was also very good; I never had problems with setup. That as a bike that was easy to set up—very intuitive.

"The motor was a missile, sure, but it was a very nice bike to ride; you rarely crashed, you could slide it, it was trustworthy. Then in 2007 they wanted a super-advanced bike, but instead they had problems," Rossi said of the downturn in Honda's MotoGP success over the last few years.

Asked why he thinks Honda are now struggling to win races, The Italian states:

"Probably the riders aren’t precise enough in saying what’s needed to improve, but I don’t know how things work now at Honda.

"It depends whether or not someone gives you the right directions. The Honda is very fast, but it has some setup problems, and the two riders, who aren’t a couple of idiots, sometimes have problems. They can’t ride like they’d like to. Last year, Dovizioso had at least four or five races in which he didn’t seem to be able to do his best."

On his defection to Yamaha, a move that infuriated Honda, Rossi admits the initial move was a great success, as well as a surprise to many, but things took a turn for the worse in 2006, when Rossi lost the MotoGP title to Nicky Hayden, followed by Casey Stoner in '07:

"I have to say that I’ve seen some dark situations in 2006 and 2007, but there’s been improvement since then.

"It seemed to me that there was no longer the aggressiveness and the desire to improve that there had been in 2003, 2004, and 2005. If the bike doesn’t work well for two years in a row, things start to look dark….

"But from there—and not by accident—they (Yamaha) put their heads down, they reorganised everything, they reasoned about what didn’t work, and they came out with a standard-setting bike.

And on the success of the cross-plane crank Yamaha M1 - technology now seen on today's Yamaha M1 road bike, Rossi enthused:

"When [Yamaha technology boss Masao] Furusawa, years ago, said that an inline four is the motor that could win, everyone said, “What the heck is he saying? What does he expect to do with that thing that looks like a production engine, and that has a backward-rotating crankshaft? But he was right—he was really right."

And on the much-hyped move to Ducati for the closing years of his MotoGP career, the nine-time world champ said:

"To change, you have to think you’re going to a place that’s better, and for me it’s difficult to think that there’s a place where I could be happier than at Yamaha. It would be nice to change because, for example, Ducati is an Italian brand and the fans would be happy, but in the end, you can’t make these decisions just for emotional reasons. You also have to consider that you’ll have to work.

"So, we'll see..."


Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing...l#ixzz0kbDxRAW9
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 9 2010, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More from roadracerx interview.

HONDA V5

The greatest MotoGP bike ever?

IN AN exclusive interview with roadracerx.com MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi has said his Honda RC211 V5 MotoGP bike, which took the Italian to the 2003 and 2004 championships, was 'a missile'.

Asked about his time at Honda, and in particular the company's awesome 250bhp 990cc V5 racer, Rossi replied:

"For sure, the V5 was incredible! They’d made a bike that definitely made a difference.

"On my bike, the frame was also very good; I never had problems with setup. That as a bike that was easy to set up—very intuitive.

"The motor was a missile, sure, but it was a very nice bike to ride; you rarely crashed, you could slide it, it was trustworthy. Then in 2007 they wanted a super-advanced bike, but instead they had problems," Rossi said of the downturn in Honda's MotoGP success over the last few years.

Asked why he thinks Honda are now struggling to win races, The Italian states:

"Probably the riders aren’t precise enough in saying what’s needed to improve, but I don’t know how things work now at Honda.

"It depends whether or not someone gives you the right directions. The Honda is very fast, but it has some setup problems, and the two riders, who aren’t a couple of idiots, sometimes have problems. They can’t ride like they’d like to. Last year, Dovizioso had at least four or five races in which he didn’t seem to be able to do his best."

On his defection to Yamaha, a move that infuriated Honda, Rossi admits the initial move was a great success, as well as a surprise to many, but things took a turn for the worse in 2006, when Rossi lost the MotoGP title to Nicky Hayden, followed by Casey Stoner in '07:

"I have to say that I’ve seen some dark situations in 2006 and 2007, but there’s been improvement since then.

"It seemed to me that there was no longer the aggressiveness and the desire to improve that there had been in 2003, 2004, and 2005. If the bike doesn’t work well for two years in a row, things start to look dark….

"But from there—and not by accident—they (Yamaha) put their heads down, they reorganised everything, they reasoned about what didn’t work, and they came out with a standard-setting bike.

And on the success of the cross-plane crank Yamaha M1 - technology now seen on today's Yamaha M1 road bike, Rossi enthused:

"When [Yamaha technology boss Masao] Furusawa, years ago, said that an inline four is the motor that could win, everyone said, “What the heck is he saying? What does he expect to do with that thing that looks like a production engine, and that has a backward-rotating crankshaft? But he was right—he was really right."

And on the much-hyped move to Ducati for the closing years of his MotoGP career, the nine-time world champ said:

"To change, you have to think you’re going to a place that’s better, and for me it’s difficult to think that there’s a place where I could be happier than at Yamaha. It would be nice to change because, for example, Ducati is an Italian brand and the fans would be happy, but in the end, you can’t make these decisions just for emotional reasons. You also have to consider that you’ll have to work.

"So, we'll see..."


Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing...l#ixzz0kbDxRAW9

Talking of great bikes,and I`ve stated a coupla times.............Dorna should have looked at Cliffords WCM effort.That bike showed some decent times on a `shoestring budget` and to me is the way forward.Me other half and meself are tyring to concoct a formula to save MotoGP,it wont get much notice but I`ll post our thoughts and ideas soon,you may like them or not.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Otis Driftwood @ Apr 9 2010, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talking of great bikes,and I`ve stated a coupla times.............Dorna should have looked at Cliffords WCM effort.That bike showed some decent times on a `shoestring budget` and to me is the way forward.Me other half and meself are tyring to concoct a formula to save MotoGP,it wont get much notice but I`ll post our thoughts and ideas soon,you may like them or not.
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Great post. Clifford was strung up by the Flammini's for impinging on WSBk rights, and ironically, this could be the direction that MotoGP is heading. I always thought WCM ran a tight ship. They won several races with McCoy and Laconi with the satellite YZR and provided the platfom for Hopkins. The legendary Hamish Jaimeson was a great engineer as well.

Edit: I've just recalled that Kropotkin posted a very interesting telephone interview that he conducted with Peter Clifford on Moto Matters several months back. I'm sure he could provide a link - it was very illuminating to say the least.

Looking forward to hearing your ideas Craig...my guess is that the number 800 will be conspicuously absent from your proposals!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 9 2010, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More from roadracerx interview.

HONDA V5

The greatest MotoGP bike ever?

IN AN exclusive interview with roadracerx.com MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi has said his Honda RC211 V5 MotoGP bike, which took the Italian to the 2003 and 2004 championships, was 'a missile'.

Asked about his time at Honda, and in particular the company's awesome 250bhp 990cc V5 racer, Rossi replied:

"For sure, the V5 was incredible! They’d made a bike that definitely made a difference.

"On my bike, the frame was also very good; I never had problems with setup. That as a bike that was easy to set up—very intuitive.

"The motor was a missile, sure, but it was a very nice bike to ride; you rarely crashed, you could slide it, it was trustworthy. Then in 2007 they wanted a super-advanced bike, but instead they had problems," Rossi said of the downturn in Honda's MotoGP success over the last few years.

Asked why he thinks Honda are now struggling to win races, The Italian states:

"Probably the riders aren’t precise enough in saying what’s needed to improve, but I don’t know how things work now at Honda.

"It depends whether or not someone gives you the right directions. The Honda is very fast, but it has some setup problems, and the two riders, who aren’t a couple of idiots, sometimes have problems. They can’t ride like they’d like to. Last year, Dovizioso had at least four or five races in which he didn’t seem to be able to do his best."

On his defection to Yamaha, a move that infuriated Honda, Rossi admits the initial move was a great success, as well as a surprise to many, but things took a turn for the worse in 2006, when Rossi lost the MotoGP title to Nicky Hayden, followed by Casey Stoner in '07:

"I have to say that I’ve seen some dark situations in 2006 and 2007, but there’s been improvement since then.

"It seemed to me that there was no longer the aggressiveness and the desire to improve that there had been in 2003, 2004, and 2005. If the bike doesn’t work well for two years in a row, things start to look dark….

"But from there—and not by accident—they (Yamaha) put their heads down, they reorganised everything, they reasoned about what didn’t work, and they came out with a standard-setting bike.

And on the success of the cross-plane crank Yamaha M1 - technology now seen on today's Yamaha M1 road bike, Rossi enthused:

"When [Yamaha technology boss Masao] Furusawa, years ago, said that an inline four is the motor that could win, everyone said, “What the heck is he saying? What does he expect to do with that thing that looks like a production engine, and that has a backward-rotating crankshaft? But he was right—he was really right."

And on the much-hyped move to Ducati for the closing years of his MotoGP career, the nine-time world champ said:

"To change, you have to think you’re going to a place that’s better, and for me it’s difficult to think that there’s a place where I could be happier than at Yamaha. It would be nice to change because, for example, Ducati is an Italian brand and the fans would be happy, but in the end, you can’t make these decisions just for emotional reasons. You also have to consider that you’ll have to work.

"So, we'll see..."


Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing...l#ixzz0kbDxRAW9

I like this part of the interview better.
 
Seems a bit early for Rossi to be whinging about how boring it is yet ..... the season hasn't even started yet!! ........ last time it was boring was about 3/4 the way through 07
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Is that a serious article?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 9 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great post. Clifford was strung up by the Flammini's for impinging on WSBk rights, and ironically, this could be the direction that MotoGP is heading. I always thought WCM ran a tight ship. They won several races with McCoy and Laconi with the satellite YZR and provided the platfom for Hopkins. The legendary Hamish Jaimeson was a great engineer as well.

Edit: I've just recalled that Kropotkin posted a very interesting telephone interview that he conducted with Peter Clifford on Moto Matters several months back. I'm sure he could provide a link - it was very illuminating to say the least.

Looking forward to hearing your ideas Craig...my guess is that the number 800 will be conspicuously absent from your proposals!!

I`ve just had a look,over zealous pride and red tape in its simplest form,Clifford sure was up against it wasn`t he?
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ps:Big Thanks to Kropotkin for that.
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Was the RC211V the best MotoGP bike ever?
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Just think, if MotoGP was 1000cc and rev limited instead of bore limited, we could listen to this beautiful symphony every weekend. We could listen/watch the manufacturers play with all kinds of engines and firing orders just for the fun of it.

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Did anyone hear Marco Melandri just now in the commentary booth with Toby and Jules? He was mirroring exactly Rossi's sentiments on the RC211V. He said it was the best racing bike that he ever rode, the most forgiving, and the most fun.

But then he never raced a 500 GP bike did he
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MotoGP is boring because of Rossi. He was so dominate that they changed rule after rule to help someone else win more consistently, and doing so he still wins and it just killed the racing.
 
I didn't find anything new or exciting by this article. What he's saying is true and well-known amongst enthusiasts of the sport. What a shocker that this sort of stuff is what's in Road Racer X... Who wrote this garbage? It's bad enough that it's poorly written, but they apparently don't have a fact checker at RRX?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Road Racer X)<div class='quotemain'>IN AN exclusive interview with roadracerx.com MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi has said his Honda RC211 V5 MotoGP bike, which took the Italian to the 2003 and 2004 championships, was 'a missile'.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Road Racer X)<div class='quotemain'>And on the success of the cross-plane crank Yamaha M1 - technology now seen on today's Yamaha M1 road bike, Rossi enthused...
Honestly, this is a magazine people pay for. For ....'s sake.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 9 2010, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MotoGP is boring because of Rossi. He was so dominate that they changed rule after rule to help someone else win more consistently, and doing so he still wins and it just killed the racing.

I don't think Rossi killed racing, but I think he is trying to.

I think TC actually makes it so the ham-fisted can hang with the riders who developed very delicate throttle control over the years like Rossi or Hayden or Stoner (and any other riders who have excellent throttle control). I think Rossi blames TC for the end of the tire war b/c it made the tires too soft and ultimately led to the control tire, but if TC is eliminated I suspect he will open an even larger gap to the rest of the field.

I know I've said this a hundred time, but the fuel rules are probably what's killing GP. No fuel means the riders must select their lines based upon what is fuel-efficient as well as speed. As the 800cc era has proved, there is really only 1 line that meets those demands. The fuel computers also interfere massively with the throttle response and wheel spin that the rider desires.

It is very very unfortunate that the MSMA have decided to continue the 21L fuel formula. I really don't know who specifically is running the show over there, but they are a group of gutless engineers who apparently don't understand why people buy motorcycles in the first place. I can tell you, I'm not very concerned about the fuel consumption. The way the bike makes you feel and the feeling you get from the bike is 9/10ths of the law. Manufacturers cannot tap into the intangibles of motorcycle design when they write bogus formula rules that homogenizes engine design and creates a single racing line.

Someday, the MSMA will get what they deserve for this crime against motorcycling, I can only hope the next people in charge will understand what motorcycling is all about. Ducati understand, but the Ducatisti think they are magical people for understanding the obvious.
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For ..... sake (end quote Austin
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How can rossi be trying to kill the racing? Why would he want to? His whole career has been based on entertainment both on track and off. This is the biggest load of ...., even if a rider wanted to kill the racing it is not possible for one man to control the development of the machines built to beat him and the rest of the field. Not to mention the governing body pushing for more sizzle to get bums on seats (although dorna is run by demented old spainiads doing the opposite unbeknownst to them
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Rossi has been the most outspoken rider in regards to the 800's and the boring factor since 2007. I suggest you find more plausable ways to discredit vr if you must, as this is absurd......
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Apr 9 2010, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For ..... sake (end quote Austin
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How can rossi be trying to kill the racing? Why would he want to? His whole career has been based on entertainment both on track and off. This is the biggest load of ...., even if a rider wanted to kill the racing it is not possible for one man to control the development of the machines built to beat him and the rest of the field. Not to mention the governing body pushing for more sizzle to get bums on seats (although dorna is run by demented old spainiads doing the opposite unbeknownst to them
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Rossi has been the most outspoken rider in regards to the 800's and the boring factor since 2007. I suggest you find more plausable ways to discredit vr if you must, as this is absurd......

He's not trying to ruin racing on purpose. If he's successful in his bid to return complete control of the motorcycle to the riders right hand (less interference from TC and aggressive engine braking), he will walk off with everything just like he did before TC. Then he really will have ruined racing.

TC is sort of road relevant. It makes things slightly safer and it makes it possible for manufacturers to chase power if they want to. I say keep it. Banning it is too complicated, and the first high-side that occurs post-TC-ban will spark unnecessary controversy.
 

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