Joined May 2014
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S. Florida
which do you want but be clear here do you want to say rossi doesnt win because of age or doesnt win because of the sheer talent of MM or doesnt win because of the yamaha.
1 the yamaha won 8 races last year with JLO and MM won 6 races. you could argue MM wins nothing if JLO doesnt break coller bone. this year different story. at this level if you go mentally you are gone and jlo is gone for now. still plenty of season left so lets not declare rossi 2nd just yet. (second place is the first loser)
2 rossi is having a good year yes he is 35 so what doesnt matter at all. its just the excuse you fan boys use when he doesnt win. yet in the same breath you say he is back so which is it? has he won a thing anything in 3 years. actually all he has done is set back ducati since the stoner days. oh wait that bike anybody can ride wasnt that the quote? 1 first place finish when all the aliens were hurt or hurting. is he the best of the rest? for now maybe but like i said plenty of season.
i can flip the age thing too MM is winning despite being 21 inexperienced a rookie last. imagine if he was older like 25 with much more experience.
Hang on, when did I say he was fastest and got pole position because the Ducati was a dream to ride? You're saying it was a pig and he was only fastest all weekend and got pole because of his talent. Bollocks. No one, and I mean no one would be that fast on a pig of a bike. It doesn't happen. The Ducati chassis wasn't up there with the yam, but it made up with it in horsepower. As Rossi told him after the race "you not overtake on the straights, I won't overtake you on the corners". He expected to walk the race but Rossi stuck it to him and it rattled him, thus making his mistake. He also binned it whilst in the lead the following race and wasn't the same the rest of the year. It was mentioned at the time that it had looked like Rossi had gotten in his head. Justification enough?
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Joined Sep 2007
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Dude, I have been on here since 2006 hence my username, with hindsight it would have been good to have a less Rossi-centric one. I am not giving excuses as to why riders do not win.
I started watching races live at the Transatlantics in 1986 with Schwantz and Ron Haslam at Donington. I am not a fanboi, I love racing. I followed Schwantz, then Doohan, then Rossi as my favourite riders due to the abiity they showed on a bike. Stoner was stunning. and I'd have loved to have seen him racing alongside MM - MM's riding style is the nearest to Stoners that I have seen, yet MM has another string to his bow, IMHO.
So now we've got over your attempt to demean me and call me a fanboi, lets go to your questions :
1. not sure what I can say here. 2010 - Rossi broke his leg, 2012 - Stoner broke his ankle, so both years Lorenzo was helped? MM would have won nothing? He finished every race in 2013 apart from Mugello (where he crashed) and PI (where he was dsq) in the tyre farce, on on the podium. Surely that is significant for a rookie alone, yet he won the WC. If Lorenzo hadn't ...... up he'd have still, as a minimum, been 2nd in his rookie year.
2. Rossi being 35 doesn't matter? I guess you have never raced a bike or are early 20's (or both) Trust me, as the body gets older, so do the reactions. I never said Rossi was back, so no idea what you're on about there. Setting the Duck back to before Stoner's time (really? one left, the other arrived. Not sure how you can tell whether it was better or worse after 2 years of VR - maybe NH could tell you, though) - you'd have thought that Dovi could have retrieved it after 1.5 years though, if it was all VR ....-up. Plus Stoner's results woudn't have got worse year on year, if it was all VR's fault.
Flipping the age thing? MM is a ruthless competitor as was VR 2nd season into the top class. Imagine him with more experience? Exactly my point, MM could well be top of the timesheets for a while to come yet.
Here's a clue as to how to read other people's posts - try reading all the words, no matter how hard that is. If English is not your first language, try google translate - it aint perfect, but it might stop the misunderstanding of what someone is trying to say due to poor translation of the words they post.
Or not....
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You argument was that he was fastest all weekend therefore his bike was not badly set up. My choice of words there was not good, I agree. Yours is better: the chassis on the Ducati was inferior to the Yamaha. The Yamaha was much more stable and agile. I'm saying that the Ducati had limited set up options. Even if optimized, it still had a very limited number of available lines. Rossi was aware of this and that's why he was desperate to get in front and cover those lines, which he did brilliantly. But the point is, the Ducati was not a dream to ride and Stoner was forced to take risks to overcome Rossi's tactics to get back in front and he ended up taking one too many.
My analysis of it is that he made a mistake under very difficult circumstances and dropped his bike.
Your analysis is that he "broke" mentally and was not the same for the rest if the season. And that my friend, is supposition. And very lazy thinking.
Your justification is...
Assuming that whoever "mentioned it at the time" were privy to inner workings of Stoners mind and that Rossi-induced psychosis caused him to drop his bike in Brno and anything else that whent wrong for the remainder of the season. Where I come from that's calls "media hype" aka making stuff up to sell news. It's about as robust a process as telling the future with chicken gizzards... It's a bit if a laugh that you offer that as justification.
The fact is that a bone in Stoner's wrist fell apart a Brno. He had to have an operation to put it back together but he finished the season first. And still managed to win two races by the way.
There were other issues as well, as there always are with any campaign at that level. And some .... happens in various races.
Sport at this level is fierce, dangerous and complicated. There's always massive amounts of ".... happening" that ......... like me and you and those who write about it are completely unaware of. So how about you pull your head in and give them some respect?
Joined Apr 2011
900 Posts | 4+
somewhere else
I had the view that just before the point Casey dropped it on the final bend, Rossi brake checked him, pulling up hard a few metres before the typical brake marker. This caught Stoner off guard and he ran wide, then dropped it in the kitty litter. Maybe my recollection is wrong. I agree with the rest of your post, Rossi didn't break Stoner's mind then, or at any other point.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Thats exactly what happened. Rossi's race craft has come under scrutiny more than once in 20 years, Though it was a little dirty, i wasnt bent to far out of shape over it.
How about you ....... do one. I at no point was disrespecting any of them, they are all God's with balls of steel; I was just mentioning murmurings which people much more privy to the situation than any of us, were airing at the time.
Fair enough. Thanks for the advice.
I guess I was guilty of interpreting your unattributed reference to those murmurings as gossip mongering and your right: that's disrespectful on my part. Did any of them mention the injury to Stoner's wrist by the way?
I think we can agree on your balls of steel comment! That was my point as well really.
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