Respect for Fabrizio

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Jul 27 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yates and some guy at Daytona. Yates was at fault IMO.


This one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBoKWno0-DU




Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Almost a 40 day fast from WSBK. If Haga wins title, they should put two names on the trophy, Haga/Fagbrizio.

BTW, does anybody have a pic of his sign that said, I love you ben spies? Or is this an urban legend?
Definetly not urban legend, i saw it with my own eyes

Spies didn't even give Fabrizio enough room. If not for Fabrizio dropping the bike and taking out Spies from underneath, I wouldn't of even blame him if they were to make contact with eachother. Spies saw him diving in, but decided to close the doors instead, so he paid for it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 28 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Definetly not urban legend, i saw it with my own eyes

I saw it to. Just prior to race 2 while they were in the garage. I thought it was funny.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 28 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies didn't even give Fabrizio enough room. If not for Fabrizio dropping the bike and taking out Spies from underneath, I wouldn't of even blame him if they were to make contact with eachother. Spies saw him diving in, but decided to close the doors instead, so he paid for it.

I'm inclined to side with SS here. There didn't seem to be anywhere for Fabrizio to go, he'd still slam into Ben's rear wheel even if he closed the throttle. Often in situations like this, the riding being passed (Ben) will slow down only to take back his position as the passing rider (Fab) goes wide. Ben was being a little overly aggressive\defensive as well.

That said, I don't condone what Fab did, he always goes for these tight inside lines that are impossible, probably hoping the guys he's passing will slow down for him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 28 2009, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies didn't even give Fabrizio enough room. If not for Fabrizio dropping the bike and taking out Spies from underneath, I wouldn't of even blame him if they were to make contact with eachother. Spies saw him diving in, but decided to close the doors instead, so he paid for it.
I'm just going to resort to name calling on this one, your're a ....... ...... "Spies saw him diving in" what do they run mirrors on race bikes now? Fabrizio, who not only races bikes in WSBK, is the guy who caused the accident, fully admitted to it being his fault. Stop trolling you ....... moron. Stick to admiring Asian riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 28 2009, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies didn't even give Fabrizio enough room. If not for Fabrizio dropping the bike and taking out Spies from underneath, I wouldn't of even blame him if they were to make contact with eachother. Spies saw him diving in, but decided to close the doors instead, so he paid for it.

If Haga is to Win the championship, not bcoz sombody hurts Spies. From the Video, I don't think it's all Fabriz fault. But that was a stupid move from him, knowingly Spies would defend his position.

Well why not throw some comments in here - after all I seem to be doing it everywhere of late.

First things first and SS56 - sorry to say but I think you have NFI in this aspect.

Were these true roadbikes with mirrors, road tyres etc then yes, Spies would have known that Fabrizio was there but in racing terms he would not have even been looking at the track in front per se but through the corner somewhat.

Fabrizio - I kinda like the aggression and attitude but there is no saving grace in this video - he farked up.

Certainly Spies takes the classic wide racing line and certainly Fabrizio takes the narrow entry inside line - no doubt there. But there is no way that Fabrizio was going to make that corner anyway without running heavily wide on exit - he was to hot for the line taken, lost the front and the rest is in the sandtrap. Given the position in the race, the laps to go etc it was a boneheaded move - but at the same time racers do it and pull it off - just that this time it didn't work.

Now, not going to comment to much on the 'deliberateness' of it other than to call a big wide BS - no way, no racer would deliberately knock another off.

As for the calls for punitive action - well history shows that it does not happen at the World Championship level to frequently so no holding of breaths. My suspicions (and that is all they are) is that the stakes at WC level are to high and the officaldom (those that could make the decisions) are not comfortable that they will be supported - it is not a new occurrence and it will remain this way.



But, for Fabrizio he knew he farked up - he was apologising horribly quick and must receive due credit for that. We have all seen similar incidents where riders walk away with no concern or apology or sign of guilt for the other affected - so kudos to Fabrizio.






Garry

Anybody want to explain to me why Fabrizio is making a cornerspeed pass on the heaviest bike in the field into a down hill left-hander corner?

I'll give you a hint, it has something to do with delusions of grandeur.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heng47 @ Jul 28 2009, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm inclined to side with SS here. There didn't seem to be anywhere for Fabrizio to go, he'd still slam into Ben's rear wheel even if he closed the throttle. Often in situations like this, the riding being passed (Ben) will slow down only to take back his position as the passing rider (Fab) goes wide. Ben was being a little overly aggressive\defensive as well.

That said, I don't condone what Fab did, he always goes for these tight inside lines that are impossible, probably hoping the guys he's passing will slow down for him.

I'm inclined not too. Firstly hats off to Fabrizio for immediately putting his hands up and saying sorry, It takes guts to do that especially right after the incident and to a pissed Ben Spies, but it was clearly his fault. At the time I thought, like you, that Spies maybe didnt give him enough room but when you loook at the slow replay he isn't even in Spies eyesight when he hits him. Its hard to tell how far along side him he was GOING IN to the turn as they were facing us, but it looked like he backed out and certainly at the apex point he was nowhere near alongside enough, especially into a corner like that.
It seems to me that Spies style of taking a wide line in and flattening the corner off 'contributed' (but was in no way to blame) for the accident. Fabrizio saw a gap and went for it but mis-judged how hard Spies would come back into the apex (as is his style) and when he realised this, it was too late.

Finaly conclusion. Racing incident caused by brain fade....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Jul 27 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yates and some guy at Daytona. Yates was at fault IMO.
Yates is a headcase and generally makes boneheaded passes that result in situations like these. Remember when he torpedoed E. Boz in WSBK Race 1 at Laguna in 2003. You know, the year that Boz actually was leading the AMA standings ahead of Yates and Mladin's GSXR 1000s. Nobody drop kicked him that day. Honestly, he's a racer whose hand I wouldn't shake.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 27 2009, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies didn't even give Fabrizio enough room. If not for Fabrizio dropping the bike and taking out Spies from underneath, I wouldn't of even blame him if they were to make contact with eachother. Spies saw him diving in, but decided to close the doors instead, so he paid for it.
Ah, the voice of reason... Do you ever get tired of getting .... on?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 27 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well why not throw some comments in here - after all I seem to be doing it everywhere of late.

First things first and SS56 - sorry to say but I think you have NFI in this aspect.

Were these true roadbikes with mirrors, road tyres etc then yes, Spies would have known that Fabrizio was there but in racing terms he would not have even been looking at the track in front per se but through the corner somewhat.

Fabrizio - I kinda like the aggression and attitude but there is no saving grace in this video - he farked up.

Certainly Spies takes the classic wide racing line and certainly Fabrizio takes the narrow entry inside line - no doubt there. But there is no way that Fabrizio was going to make that corner anyway without running heavily wide on exit - he was to hot for the line taken, lost the front and the rest is in the sandtrap. Given the position in the race, the laps to go etc it was a boneheaded move - but at the same time racers do it and pull it off - just that this time it didn't work.

Now, not going to comment to much on the 'deliberateness' of it other than to call a big wide BS - no way, no racer would deliberately knock another off.

As for the calls for punitive action - well history shows that it does not happen at the World Championship level to frequently so no holding of breaths. My suspicions (and that is all they are) is that the stakes at WC level are to high and the officaldom (those that could make the decisions) are not comfortable that they will be supported - it is not a new occurrence and it will remain this way.



But, for Fabrizio he knew he farked up - he was apologising horribly quick and must receive due credit for that. We have all seen similar incidents where riders walk away with no concern or apology or sign of guilt for the other affected - so kudos to Fabrizio.






Garry
Top post, agree 100 percent. Gutsy move from Fabrizio that was never likely to work. You've got to admire his confidence and aggression but it was an ill-timed maneuver. Unlucky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 28 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the voice of reason... Do you ever get tired of getting .... on?
I don't particularly think he is aware.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 28 2009, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well why not throw some comments in here - after all I seem to be doing it everywhere of late.

First things first and SS56 - sorry to say but I think you have NFI in this aspect.

Were these true roadbikes with mirrors, road tyres etc then yes, Spies would have known that Fabrizio was there but in racing terms he would not have even been looking at the track in front per se but through the corner somewhat.

Fabrizio - I kinda like the aggression and attitude but there is no saving grace in this video - he farked up.

Certainly Spies takes the classic wide racing line and certainly Fabrizio takes the narrow entry inside line - no doubt there. But there is no way that Fabrizio was going to make that corner anyway without running heavily wide on exit - he was to hot for the line taken, lost the front and the rest is in the sandtrap. Given the position in the race, the laps to go etc it was a boneheaded move - but at the same time racers do it and pull it off - just that this time it didn't work.

Now, not going to comment to much on the 'deliberateness' of it other than to call a big wide BS - no way, no racer would deliberately knock another off.

As for the calls for punitive action - well history shows that it does not happen at the World Championship level to frequently so no holding of breaths. My suspicions (and that is all they are) is that the stakes at WC level are to high and the officaldom (those that could make the decisions) are not comfortable that they will be supported - it is not a new occurrence and it will remain this way.



But, for Fabrizio he knew he farked up - he was apologising horribly quick and must receive due credit for that. We have all seen similar incidents where riders walk away with no concern or apology or sign of guilt for the other affected - so kudos to Fabrizio.






Garry

Good post. I also like Fabi's style and am no fan of Spies but it was Spies line, he was in the lead and Fabi tried to do way to much costing them both. This one is all on Fabi, Spies was clearly the victim. Big deal. Spies will win the title anyway. It's racing, .... happens. This won't be the last time something like this happens.

whom here screamed "YES!" when spies was taken out by fab? then followed to pray that haga holds position or gets as many points as possible

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Jul 31 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whom here screamed "YES!" when spies was taken out by fab? then followed to pray that haga holds position or gets as many points as possible

no one with a brain

With Fabrizio being on the same team as the points leader and main comp. to Spies, this issue has greater criticism. It was a very stupid move no doubt. I hate to see anything like this affect the outcome of a championship. If I were Spies, I wouldn't have gotten any points in race 2 either. I would still be in the gravel kicking his ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 27 2009, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"fear" is a ............ isnt it... Fab knows Ben could stomp the pasta sauce out of that meatball...and he should have...

team orders..."you get a chance take out Ben and you get another year with Factory Duc.
meatball? Listen here mexicant at least Fab tried to apologise. It is racing and a racing incident. .... happens. It is just cause you have a major hard on for Ben. Hey he is awesome and all that but he did cut fabi off at the end. In short it was both their faulut. That move was NOT unlike the move Vale put on Sete. Sete just opened the door for VaLE where ben didn't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>meatball? Listen here mexicant at least Fab tried to apologise. It is racing and a racing incident. .... happens. It is just cause you have a major hard on for Ben. Hey he is awesome and all that but he did cut fabi off at the end. In short it was both their faulut. That move was NOT unlike the move Vale put on Sete. Sete just opened the door for VaLE where ben didn't.
He rode his line. It only appeared that he cut Fabrizio off because Fabrizio was well too deep, missed the apex and was going to straight line it about eight feet past the apex. Unfortunately that straight line through the corner happened to intersect the racing line, which Spies was occupying.

So the Rossi move was deemed questionable to acceptable depending on who you ask, because Gibs left the door open for him and this move is about the same because Spies didn't leave the door open?

When it happened all I could think about was how nuts this place would go with rage for Michel. It was a dumb move but like I said before, you have to respect his confidence and balls. That being said, there is no possible way it was remotely Spies's fault.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 4 2009, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you have to respect his confidence and balls.
There is a fine line between confidence/balls and outright recklessness.

(BSB SPOILER ALERT) A recent incident happened at the last BSB round, Josh Brookes took out the top 5 riders (including himself) with one bonzai pass. The race was red flagged and according to BSB rules, due to race distance covered, the race was stopped and anyone not riding at the moment of the red flag was DNF'd. Needless to say he has pissed off a lot or riders/teams with his ballistic move. Not to mention he took out Guintoli for the remainder of the season in another incident during a practice session. The track is notorious for being hard to pass on, Brookes was going really hot into a tight hairpin, was it balls or recklessness? Obviously if it works we call it balls, if it doesn't its a rider out of control.