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Pedrosa is a little horse jocky tea bagged ..........Nick just needs to beat the .... out of him..and sign off with another team...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ May 30 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh dear, lets all jump on the Dani hating bandwagon.
Its not like Edwards ever got the same treatment as Rossi at Gauloises/Camel/Fiat Yamaha is it? And what about Ducati? They care about one rider but don't give two ..... about the other 3.
Dani is a already a three time world champion who has been with Honda since day 1, Nicky has had fantastic treatment from Honda seeing as he's not the best of riders but he has kept his place in the Repsol Honda team for 6 years now, who else has ridden for Repsol Honda for that long and is considered to have been treated crap by Honda.
I just find all this Dani bashing pathetic.
dani is a hard person to like, his persona comes across as arrogant and spoiled little kid. he reminds me so much of the later biaggi.
i think the resentment from hayden fans is because hayboy won honda a world championship and still got put bottom of the pile, but then again edwards won them 2 and got .... all back. personally i think nicky should get another ride. i wanted to see him on the teck3.
Its not like Edwards ever got the same treatment as Rossi at Gauloises/Camel/Fiat Yamaha is it? And what about Ducati? They care about one rider but don't give two ..... about the other 3.
Dani is a already a three time world champion who has been with Honda since day 1, Nicky has had fantastic treatment from Honda seeing as he's not the best of riders but he has kept his place in the Repsol Honda team for 6 years now, who else has ridden for Repsol Honda for that long and is considered to have been treated crap by Honda.
I just find all this Dani bashing pathetic.
dani is a hard person to like, his persona comes across as arrogant and spoiled little kid. he reminds me so much of the later biaggi.
i think the resentment from hayden fans is because hayboy won honda a world championship and still got put bottom of the pile, but then again edwards won them 2 and got .... all back. personally i think nicky should get another ride. i wanted to see him on the teck3.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ May 29 2008, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hmm.. The thought just occured to me.... so I will just ask the question.....
Why is Tady "testing" the Pneumatic engine at Mugello?
Supposedly to assess whether or not the engine will last....
Ahh how about giving Nicky the Pneumatic to gather a little data...
Oh yeah.. Pedrosa doesn't want Nicky to have anything that may put Nicky in a position to go as fast or faster than he...
Negative. I'm willing to buy into almost any Honda bashing, but Honda refusing to treat Nicky like a test donkey is the first decent thing they've done for him.
He's tested the pneumatic lump several times, most notably at one of his favorite tracks (PI) and the engine didn't exactly help him. I'm glad Honda aren't making him test 2 sessions, guess at Sunday settings in FP3 and then run qualy on sketchy settings. Somehow he won a championship doing that, but it ain't gonna happen in the 800 era.
Why is Tady "testing" the Pneumatic engine at Mugello?
Supposedly to assess whether or not the engine will last....
Ahh how about giving Nicky the Pneumatic to gather a little data...
Oh yeah.. Pedrosa doesn't want Nicky to have anything that may put Nicky in a position to go as fast or faster than he...
Negative. I'm willing to buy into almost any Honda bashing, but Honda refusing to treat Nicky like a test donkey is the first decent thing they've done for him.
He's tested the pneumatic lump several times, most notably at one of his favorite tracks (PI) and the engine didn't exactly help him. I'm glad Honda aren't making him test 2 sessions, guess at Sunday settings in FP3 and then run qualy on sketchy settings. Somehow he won a championship doing that, but it ain't gonna happen in the 800 era.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ May 30 2008, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good grief! There's two years' worth of posts about this. If you want to know every man and his dog's opinion, run a search on here and let the old .... lie.
Well said gal.
Well said gal.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 31 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dani is a hard person to like, his persona comes across as arrogant and spoiled little kid. he reminds me so much of the later biaggi.
Or a 16 year old kid
Or a 16 year old kid
Yes, Dani is the evil one-man-freakshow of motogp. He is the least likable, least talented rider on the grid. The only skill he knows how to exploit is his lack of stature.
That said, I can't in good conscience bash Honda as much as I used to. Nicky had a chance to win back to back in 2007 with another manufacturer. He played it safe. Let's hope the Ducati ride hasn't sailed off into the horizon. Apparently you have to hammer on the rear break every time you pitch the thing into a corner, that sounds right up Nicky's alley.
That said, I can't in good conscience bash Honda as much as I used to. Nicky had a chance to win back to back in 2007 with another manufacturer. He played it safe. Let's hope the Ducati ride hasn't sailed off into the horizon. Apparently you have to hammer on the rear break every time you pitch the thing into a corner, that sounds right up Nicky's alley.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ May 31 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or a 16 year old kid
which is probably why its only the youngsters that like him
which is probably why its only the youngsters that like him
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 31 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dani is a hard person to like, his persona comes across as arrogant and spoiled little kid. he reminds me so much of the later biaggi.
i think the resentment from hayden fans is because hayboy won honda a world championship and still got put bottom of the pile, but then again edwards won them 2 and got .... all back. personally i think nicky should get another ride. i wanted to see him on the teck3.
Nicky did win a championship yes, and I credit him for that, consistancy was the key in 06 and while his rivals fell/broke down he claimed podiums and racked up the points. But the fact of the matter is he has won 3 races in 6 years on a full factory Honda, two being at his home circuit and one gifted to him by Edwards.
I have defended Nicky in debates with other major motorcycle racing fans as I personally like the guy, but to bring Pedrosa into the argument is unfair. I have supported Dani ever since I saw him in 125cc, and it is true that he is a conservative guy who seems to come out as spoilt but the guy gets the job done on track and thats what really matters. And while we are mentioning Dani's personality he doesn't seem anywhere near as arrogant or spoilt child like as a certain Casey Stoner who seems to be angry with anything any other rider does on the track and shows even less positive emotion that Dani does.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ May 31 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or a 16 year old kid
Not funny.
i think the resentment from hayden fans is because hayboy won honda a world championship and still got put bottom of the pile, but then again edwards won them 2 and got .... all back. personally i think nicky should get another ride. i wanted to see him on the teck3.
Nicky did win a championship yes, and I credit him for that, consistancy was the key in 06 and while his rivals fell/broke down he claimed podiums and racked up the points. But the fact of the matter is he has won 3 races in 6 years on a full factory Honda, two being at his home circuit and one gifted to him by Edwards.
I have defended Nicky in debates with other major motorcycle racing fans as I personally like the guy, but to bring Pedrosa into the argument is unfair. I have supported Dani ever since I saw him in 125cc, and it is true that he is a conservative guy who seems to come out as spoilt but the guy gets the job done on track and thats what really matters. And while we are mentioning Dani's personality he doesn't seem anywhere near as arrogant or spoilt child like as a certain Casey Stoner who seems to be angry with anything any other rider does on the track and shows even less positive emotion that Dani does.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ May 31 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or a 16 year old kid
Not funny.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ May 31 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky did win a championship yes, and I credit him for that, consistancy was the key in 06 and while his rivals fell/broke down he claimed podiums and racked up the points. But the fact of the matter is he has won 3 races in 6 years on a full factory Honda, two being at his home circuit and one gifted to him by Edwards.
I have defended Nicky in debates with other major motorcycle racing fans as I personally like the guy, but to bring Pedrosa into the argument is unfair. I have supported Dani ever since I saw him in 125cc, and it is true that he is a conservative guy who seems to come out as spoilt but the guy gets the job done on track and thats what really matters. And while we are mentioning Dani's personality he doesn't seem anywhere near as arrogant or spoilt child like as a certain Casey Stoner who seems to be angry with anything any other rider does on the track and shows even less positive emotion that Dani does.
Not funny.
i take you point about nicky not winning many races but i cant accept this. that was no gift, that was brain out close racing and only one was going to make it . assen 06 watch it again !
I have defended Nicky in debates with other major motorcycle racing fans as I personally like the guy, but to bring Pedrosa into the argument is unfair. I have supported Dani ever since I saw him in 125cc, and it is true that he is a conservative guy who seems to come out as spoilt but the guy gets the job done on track and thats what really matters. And while we are mentioning Dani's personality he doesn't seem anywhere near as arrogant or spoilt child like as a certain Casey Stoner who seems to be angry with anything any other rider does on the track and shows even less positive emotion that Dani does.
Not funny.
i take you point about nicky not winning many races but i cant accept this. that was no gift, that was brain out close racing and only one was going to make it . assen 06 watch it again !
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 31 2008, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i take you point about nicky not winning many races but i cant accept this. that was no gift, that was brain out close racing and only one was going to make it . assen 06 watch it again !
I've seen it many a time mate, to me it seems that Edwards was in the clear but got the power on while on the astro which spun up the rear and chucked him off, Hayden then went on to win.
Still even if he had won this race cleanly its only one race he has won outside his home country in his six year stint in MotoGP, not exactly great is it?
I've seen it many a time mate, to me it seems that Edwards was in the clear but got the power on while on the astro which spun up the rear and chucked him off, Hayden then went on to win.
Still even if he had won this race cleanly its only one race he has won outside his home country in his six year stint in MotoGP, not exactly great is it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ May 31 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, quite a post indeed and the post that I wanted.
Mindless cheer leading is part of what makes this sport great. So I have no problem with mindless cheer leading. However, I feel that you have overlooked Nicky's injuries during the championship season since you have brought in Loris' and Vale's injuries into the mix. Nicky had a broken collar bone the entire year. So trying to say that Nicky won the title because everyone was getting hurt around him is null and void.
1. She didn't say that
2. Nicky were faster than ever, so it obviously didn't slow him down at all, while the likes of capirossi, sete and melandri obvioulsy were. Null and void? What logic in this universe do you apply to that ....!
Mindless cheer leading is part of what makes this sport great. So I have no problem with mindless cheer leading. However, I feel that you have overlooked Nicky's injuries during the championship season since you have brought in Loris' and Vale's injuries into the mix. Nicky had a broken collar bone the entire year. So trying to say that Nicky won the title because everyone was getting hurt around him is null and void.
1. She didn't say that
2. Nicky were faster than ever, so it obviously didn't slow him down at all, while the likes of capirossi, sete and melandri obvioulsy were. Null and void? What logic in this universe do you apply to that ....!
well i like hayden, like his riding style but it isnt suited to the 800's at all. and like somebody already stated its safe to say hayden is getting shafted buy honda but what has he done differently to adjust. NOTHING! he puts in his usual 1000 laps and smiles for the camera. and yes i am a hayden fan but enough is enough. he is a grown man, if he didnt like the way he was being treated he would have put his foot down instead of his head. i think alot of his fans arent seeing the real picture. he grew up poor idolizing a honda rider (bubba shobert). well now hes fat in the pockets and is a honda rider. sometimes you need to know when to move on and it hasnt hit him yet.
as far as dani goes i like him too. i think him not smiling all the time is perfectly fine, hes not there to be a heartthrob hes there to race. hes an excellent rider. no he shouldnt have bashed nicky the way he did, it was very arrogant. but when your mentor is puig what is to be expected, nobody should be shocked.
its racing folks we got the good characters and the bad characters, dont think for a minute nicky doesnt talk smack because after watching his movie and seeing how many times they bleeped him out and noticing how he's in an international sport but refuses to learn another language to improve communication i started seeing him in a whole new light. he brought this on himself.
as far as dani goes i like him too. i think him not smiling all the time is perfectly fine, hes not there to be a heartthrob hes there to race. hes an excellent rider. no he shouldnt have bashed nicky the way he did, it was very arrogant. but when your mentor is puig what is to be expected, nobody should be shocked.
its racing folks we got the good characters and the bad characters, dont think for a minute nicky doesnt talk smack because after watching his movie and seeing how many times they bleeped him out and noticing how he's in an international sport but refuses to learn another language to improve communication i started seeing him in a whole new light. he brought this on himself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 31 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think the resentment from hayden fans is because hayboy won honda a world championship and still got put bottom of the pile
It is however quite possible that Nicky isn't treated as well as Dani because he doesn't ride as well as Dani, which many people refuse to accept (and many will suspect is due to their personal feelings as anyone who watches motogp can see just how good Dani is). The question i ask to all those who say HRC have been shafting Nicky since Dani showed up is: Why is he still there? Do you honestly think that you are smart enough to realise Nicky is being screwed yet he can't see it himself?
It is however quite possible that Nicky isn't treated as well as Dani because he doesn't ride as well as Dani, which many people refuse to accept (and many will suspect is due to their personal feelings as anyone who watches motogp can see just how good Dani is). The question i ask to all those who say HRC have been shafting Nicky since Dani showed up is: Why is he still there? Do you honestly think that you are smart enough to realise Nicky is being screwed yet he can't see it himself?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 31 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>which is probably why its only the youngsters that like him
^^^Or wealthy, older, gay men.
^^^Or wealthy, older, gay men.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Jun 1 2008, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^Or wealthy, older, gay men.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Jun 1 2008, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^Or wealthy, older, gay men.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ May 30 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yawn. I like Nicky. His performance last year showed a very un American characteristic, that of determination in the face of defeat. To us non Americans that shows spirit (Spunk as you may call it).
But this Pedrosa hating has to stop. You really haven't got over '06 have you?
Honda will look to the future as they have always done not the past.
I really think (yes Jumkie I think, not 'This will happen') that Nicky will do better in a satellite Honda outfit without the pressure of the factory bearing down on him.
I wish Nicky all the best.
^^^I will give you a pass for disrespecting my country because you come from pretty much what is considered a third world country. The next time you challenge my country's intestinal fortitude I will challenge you to a duel. ......!!!
But this Pedrosa hating has to stop. You really haven't got over '06 have you?
Honda will look to the future as they have always done not the past.
I really think (yes Jumkie I think, not 'This will happen') that Nicky will do better in a satellite Honda outfit without the pressure of the factory bearing down on him.
I wish Nicky all the best.
^^^I will give you a pass for disrespecting my country because you come from pretty much what is considered a third world country. The next time you challenge my country's intestinal fortitude I will challenge you to a duel. ......!!!
This was excerpted from an article copy and pasted from www superbikeplanet.com. It is interesting that everyone seems to understand what Honda is doing to Nicky, with the exception of Mr. Hayden himself.
Nicky Hayden wanted to use the new motor, but Honda wanted to race test it first. This is so far from the normal HRC way of doing things—the only other example anyone can bring to mind is Shinichi Itoh and the alleged fuel- injected 500 back in 1995. He was reckoned to have ridden that for the whole year not just one race, but it was a third factory Honda rider acting as a tester at the races. However, it is difficult to understand why Nicky wasn't allowed to race it. He isn't within a shout of the championship and is clearly demoralised. For once, HRC could give him something he wants.
On the other side of the garage, Dani Pedrosa clearly doesn't want to change things. A meeting is taking place right now at which the team manager will decide who rides what next weekend, although it is possible that each rider will start the Catalunya weekend with one conventional and one pneumatic engine. It is difficult to understand why Honda won't just give Nicky the new motor and hope it gives him the extra power he so obviously needs and switch off as many electronic controls as possible while they're at it. Today it looked like tyres were the problem, although they aren't mentioned in the official press release. There is also the unspoken assumption that if Pedrosa had wanted the new engine, he would have got it.
Nicky Hayden wanted to use the new motor, but Honda wanted to race test it first. This is so far from the normal HRC way of doing things—the only other example anyone can bring to mind is Shinichi Itoh and the alleged fuel- injected 500 back in 1995. He was reckoned to have ridden that for the whole year not just one race, but it was a third factory Honda rider acting as a tester at the races. However, it is difficult to understand why Nicky wasn't allowed to race it. He isn't within a shout of the championship and is clearly demoralised. For once, HRC could give him something he wants.
On the other side of the garage, Dani Pedrosa clearly doesn't want to change things. A meeting is taking place right now at which the team manager will decide who rides what next weekend, although it is possible that each rider will start the Catalunya weekend with one conventional and one pneumatic engine. It is difficult to understand why Honda won't just give Nicky the new motor and hope it gives him the extra power he so obviously needs and switch off as many electronic controls as possible while they're at it. Today it looked like tyres were the problem, although they aren't mentioned in the official press release. There is also the unspoken assumption that if Pedrosa had wanted the new engine, he would have got it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 31 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is however quite possible that Nicky isn't treated as well as Dani because he doesn't ride as well as Dani, which many people refuse to accept (and many will suspect is due to their personal feelings as anyone who watches motogp can see just how good Dani is). The question i ask to all those who say HRC have been shafting Nicky since Dani showed up is: Why is he still there? Do you honestly think that you are smart enough to realise Nicky is being screwed yet he can't see it himself?
Tom this post is really quite dim. Pedrosa rides cornerspeed, Nicky rides point-and-shoot. Apples to oranges. Many people who believe Nicky is a better rider, like me, have that belief b/c point-and-shoot has and always will require superior bike control. If you think cornerspeed is glamorous, fine.
As far as I can tell, only two riders on the grid can ride both styles competently--Stoner and Rossi. Like, Nicky they also have championships.
Nicky doesn't want to leave Honda regardless of how badly they treat him, b/c Honda is one of the MotoGP superpowers. Rossi is at Yamaha, Hayden wants to stay at Honda. If staying ain't in the cards for him it ain't in the cards, but he's fully aware of his status as a mule. He simply chooses to look past his problems like he always has.
Things have been moving away from Nicky since he entered the premier class, plus since Nicky entered, he has been playing second fiddle to someone else. Rossi then Barros then Biaggi. He got his first chance to be the #1 rider in 2006 and he won the WC. What more can you ask of him? Even if he came second, that is still apparently enough to be appointed #1 at Honda
That's it! That was Nicky's mistake. He actually won. Gibby, Biaggi, and Pedrosa should have told him he was supposed to come 2nd.
Were Honda right to support Dani in the 800 era? Probably. We're they right to sell the Repsol team and its soul to the Puig/Pedrosa duo considering Nicky was the reigning world champion? No. Puig/Pedrosa haven't produced yet (maybe they will this year) but for the time being it looks like they put Nicky out to pasture for someone who is great at coming close to winning a championship. What was the point? Nicky can do that, and he's better at the corporate game as well.
Tom this post is really quite dim. Pedrosa rides cornerspeed, Nicky rides point-and-shoot. Apples to oranges. Many people who believe Nicky is a better rider, like me, have that belief b/c point-and-shoot has and always will require superior bike control. If you think cornerspeed is glamorous, fine.
As far as I can tell, only two riders on the grid can ride both styles competently--Stoner and Rossi. Like, Nicky they also have championships.
Nicky doesn't want to leave Honda regardless of how badly they treat him, b/c Honda is one of the MotoGP superpowers. Rossi is at Yamaha, Hayden wants to stay at Honda. If staying ain't in the cards for him it ain't in the cards, but he's fully aware of his status as a mule. He simply chooses to look past his problems like he always has.
Things have been moving away from Nicky since he entered the premier class, plus since Nicky entered, he has been playing second fiddle to someone else. Rossi then Barros then Biaggi. He got his first chance to be the #1 rider in 2006 and he won the WC. What more can you ask of him? Even if he came second, that is still apparently enough to be appointed #1 at Honda
That's it! That was Nicky's mistake. He actually won. Gibby, Biaggi, and Pedrosa should have told him he was supposed to come 2nd.
Were Honda right to support Dani in the 800 era? Probably. We're they right to sell the Repsol team and its soul to the Puig/Pedrosa duo considering Nicky was the reigning world champion? No. Puig/Pedrosa haven't produced yet (maybe they will this year) but for the time being it looks like they put Nicky out to pasture for someone who is great at coming close to winning a championship. What was the point? Nicky can do that, and he's better at the corporate game as well.
