Quick rant

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ May 30 2008, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am just fed up with Honda and Pedrosa. I think that its complete ........ how Nicky has been treated by Honda and how Pedrosa is their Golden child. I will be the first to admit that Pedrosa has put up the results but both riders in the team should be put on equal footing. This crap about Pedrosa being able to see Nicky's data and Honda making special frames and engines for his midget legs is .........

I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.


At this point in the grand scheme of things, I believe Hayden should be examining other options. Honda has clearly shown that Hayden is not in their plans. Hayden's opinion is not given any development concern.

He is still only the first of the customers. (yeah I know he is on the HRC factory bike) but really - he just has to ride whatever HRC/Pedrosa decides to hand down to him. First of the guys to receive any upgrades.

Dude go ride the Ducati....

Hayden on the M1 would be interesting but I don't think the bike suits his style..... although WSBK champion Toseland seems to be doing fairly well on the bike.

I just think that the Ducati's power would allow Hayden to ride the 800 similar to the way he rode the 990.

Ducati......
I don't know what is going on with Ducati. I suspect that Yamaha and Honda have made significant jumps in develpment over last year and the gap has been closed.

I also seriously suspect that Elias and Guintoli have been told to not finish ahead of Melandri.
(dun dun duuuuunnn conspiracy ) I am stuck on Barros' comments from his finishing ahead of Stoner last year.

I think that there may be a bit more to the paddock pecking order than is spoken.

hmm.. The thought just occured to me.... so I will just ask the question.....
Why is Tady "testing" the Pneumatic engine at Mugello?

Supposedly to assess whether or not the engine will last....

Ahh how about giving Nicky the Pneumatic to gather a little data...
Oh yeah.. Pedrosa doesn't want Nicky to have anything that may put Nicky in a position to go as fast or faster than he...

Yes, it's all a grand ....... conspiracy. Little mean ol' Dani is so spiteful he'd do anything to sabotage Hayden. ...., he even planned Estoril 06 with Puig I bet.

Maybe.... just maybe, Honda look where the results are coming from and decide to prioritise? Rather than focus upon a rider who was very quick on a 990 and can't for the life of him adapt to an 800, they focus upon the one who did very well.

Oh, .....

.... Honda.

What about the shafting Nicky is giving Honda? He did the job on the 990 so now he thinks hes too good for the 800, he says everything on the bike is wrong but wont change his style and affors irrelevant development feedback. Hes just dragging HRC down from the inside with .... results and its not fair on everyone else in the team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ May 30 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am just fed up with Honda and Pedrosa. I think that its complete ........ how Nicky has been treated by Honda and how Pedrosa is their Golden child. I will be the first to admit that Pedrosa has put up the results but both riders in the team should be put on equal footing. This crap about Pedrosa being able to see Nicky's data and Honda making special frames and engines for his midget legs is .........

I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Good grief! There's two years' worth of posts about this. If you want to know every man and his dog's opinion, run a search on here and let the old .... lie.

. Taking Colin's seat on the M1 would be a good option if Colin decides to go else where next year.
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Hmm Nicky taking Colins seat he seems pretty good at that

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ May 30 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good grief! There's two years' worth of posts about this. If you want to know every man and his dog's opinion, run a search on here and let the old .... lie.



REOOW!!!
Biker girl bares her fangs...

You have been put on notice Do not start threads that have been beaten to death.....

Eagle, do what I've done, play MotoGP07 and take out all those dumb ... Italian kids who pick him (I have no idea why they like him). It is the only way I feel good to relieve my anger on the little prick.

Oh dear, lets all jump on the Dani hating bandwagon.

Its not like Edwards ever got the same treatment as Rossi at Gauloises/Camel/Fiat Yamaha is it? And what about Ducati? They care about one rider but don't give two ..... about the other 3.

Dani is a already a three time world champion who has been with Honda since day 1, Nicky has had fantastic treatment from Honda seeing as he's not the best of riders but he has kept his place in the Repsol Honda team for 6 years now, who else has ridden for Repsol Honda for that long and is considered to have been treated crap by Honda.

I just find all this Dani bashing pathetic.

Yawn. I like Nicky. His performance last year showed a very un American characteristic, that of determination in the face of defeat. To us non Americans that shows spirit (Spunk as you may call it).
But this Pedrosa hating has to stop. You really haven't got over '06 have you?
Honda will look to the future as they have always done not the past.
I really think (yes Jumkie I think, not 'This will happen') that Nicky will do better in a satellite Honda outfit without the pressure of the factory bearing down on him.
I wish Nicky all the best.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ May 30 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh dear, lets all jump on the Dani hating bandwagon.

Its not like Edwards ever got the same treatment as Rossi at Gauloises/Camel/Fiat Yamaha is it? And what about Ducati? They care about one rider but don't give two ..... about the other 3.

Dani is a already a three time world champion who has been with Honda since day 1, Nicky has had fantastic treatment from Honda seeing as he's not the best of riders but he has kept his place in the Repsol Honda team for 6 years now, who else has ridden for Repsol Honda for that long and is considered to have been treated crap by Honda.

I just find all this Dani bashing pathetic.


Edwards was not treated the same a Rossi coz Rossi won lots of races and lots of championships. Colin hasnt. Nicky has won a title in the big class, Pedrosa has won a few races (when he has pole) and a couple of titles in the wee bike classes. Very ...... different.

Rossi is the (genious) bridge from the 500s to the diesels, Lorenzo is the future. pedrosa isnt. HRC are ...... up coz Vale dumped them and coz as far as they are concerned, the bike wins, not the rider. Ha Ha ...... ha. As someone who has been an HRC fan for a long time, I find it surreal to be slagging them off, but they are acting like twats

Bring on the hater ..... fae the google gang and the humour police.

Pete

Its funny how this forum will go through fazes of treads that have different riders getting bashed. I don't care. It comes and go's. The thing about the 06 incident it was the biggest .... up a rider has made and he's still getting treated like a king.

He has a very tall hurdle to jump before I'll like him, and my gut says he will never make it over because he'll just keep smashing through it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ May 30 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am just fed up with Honda and Pedrosa. I think that its complete ........ how Nicky has been treated by Honda and how Pedrosa is their Golden child.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ May 30 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did they prioritise when they created the 07 RC212V? As I recall Hayden was the world champion and the bike was engineered for an umpa lumpa. The look on Hayden's face the first time he sat on the bike tells the story.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ May 31 2008, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I AM NOT DANI BASHING!!! Sure I call him an umpa lumpa but I have not said anything about him that is not 100% true. It is known that he has not shown up for some testing sessions, he does only put in half the laps in testing that Hayden does, he has publicly criticized Hayden in the press where Hayden has never said anything negative about Dani, and it is in Dani's contract that he can see Hayden's data when ever he wishes but Hayden can at no time have access to Dani's data under any circumstances.

This is the truth and not bashing. Personally I think the guy is a great talent my real problem is with Honda but while we are on the topic, Dani could be a better teammate but that is sometimes not a part of racing.

Instead of calling me a Dani basher, how about some explanation to my questions. Its easy to change the subject of a discussion when you know your wrong but it is much more difficult to advocate your position on the subject. So how about some litigious discussion of the topic at hand and less calling me a Dani basher.

OK since you just won't go away. There are no answers to your questions. Only opinions. And those are just like ........ - everybody's got one. It's pretty arrogant to accuse people of changing subject because they "are wrong". Nobody here is wrong. Their opinion just happens to differ from yours. If HRC have ...... up, whose fault is it?
You start a thread by saying you're fed up of Dani. If HRC have given him priority, whose fault is it?
HRC have a somewhat weird way of developing their bikes. They have not one but two teams of designers/engineers. One team stays home to develop while the other takes the bike they have spent the previous year developing to the motogp championship. At the end of each season, they swap places. So the bike that Nicky rode in his championship defending year might have been developed for a very small rider, but let's face it, when they started designing and developing that bike not even Nostradamus could have prophesied that Nicky would be winning the title that year. Once more, I am not taking anything away from Nicky. He was consistent and got the job done, but that championship was turned on its head in Catalunya when Sete went playing bowling on track, putting Melandri and Loris out of business. At that point it would have been too late in the year for the team at home to change direction and the Japs are pretty unbending anyway. In my opinion, as far as Loris is concerned, 2006 could have jolly well been his year. Rossi broke his wrist at Assen. A lot of people on here accuse Rossi fans of being 'fanboys' and 'mindless cheerleaders' but I have 3 words for you. Pot. Kettle. Black. The truth is that all this outrage on Nicky's behalf is all well and good. I like Nicky. I know how hard working he is. He is a good and consistent rider with a world championship under his belt. But it takes a spot of blindness to fail to see that it wasn't just that he was good in 2006 (he was) but also that the Fates conspired to put a number of the 'usual suspects' out of contention, enabling him to rack up the points while they were earning less than they would otherwise normally have done. Anybody who is unbiased can see that. So I'm sure HRC (who have been in the business of motorbike racing for a tad longer than you I suspect) knew what they were doing if they decided to put all their eggs in Dani's basket. Dani might have been new to the motogp class in 06 but his track record was impeccable. Nicky had been around for a while being consistent but hardly setting the track on fire. If HRC chose to throw everything at Dani, I'm sure they had their reasons. Mind you I'm not trying to defend them either. I hate HRC -(but only because I'm a ROssi mindless cheerleader). There could be a million reasons why they took the decision they took. Maybe Puig has given lots of blow jobs to many little japanese men in HRC shirts but Earl just couldn't bring himself to do it.
As for the tangent your 'argument' takes, about Dani failing to be a good team mate....that's just a tad too idealistic isn't it? Dani might be small, but he's tough as nails. He might not be the likeable character that Nicky undoubtedly is, but at the end of the day his mission is to win the championship.Watch any number of riders being interviewed. When asked who their biggest rival on track is, most will say it's their team mate. So he might be an umpa lumpa, but he's there to get a job done, not hold Nick's hand and sing "Imagine".

Now, like I said, go run a search.

So if you have all the answers to your own questions, why bother us?
And if you work for Honda, why are you slagging off your boss?