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But whilst I consider him to have contributed significantly to both doohan's and rossi's careers as they have acknowledged, imo the majority of the credit for their world championships should actually go to mick and valentino
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Am I arguing that with you
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What I said was:



"You also have to remember that. as much as the Rossifans feel that Rossi must be "the universe" to JB, in actual fact Rossi has only been a small part of JB's very successful career."



Now JB has been in the GP game for 30 years ....... with Rossi for 10 ....... you see that as a huge part of his career, good on you, I don't
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Am I arguing that with you
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What I said was:



"You also have to remember that. as much as the Rossifans feel that Rossi must be "the universe" to JB, in actual fact Rossi has only been a small part of JB's very successful career."



Now JB has been in the GP game for 30 years ....... with Rossi for 10 ....... you see that as a huge part of his career, good on you, I don't
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No, you are arguing with yourself as you do not uncommonly. If you consider 11 of his in total 27 years as a crew chief, and 7 of the 14 world championships with which he has been associated ( for one of which, a non-rossi title, he was not crew chief) to be only a small part of his career, that is a view to which you are entitled but with which you will find few to agree.
 
I will spell it out. You said rossi was only a small part of jb's career. My point was that it is nonsense to say that 50% of the world championships with which jb has been associated are a small part of his career.



Of course you are right Mick-Barry just continues to prove he's undoubtedly the biggest moronic patriarchal Bopper on the forum..........I'm sure he's even making the Yanks sick with this rubbish.



Just in case you need reminding Baz 'The Great'



JB as crew chief for 173 races with Valentino Rossi has



78 race wins

133 Podiums

7 world championships



Wins/Start Ratio: 2.21

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.30

World titles/Years: 1 in 1.5





145 races with Mick Doohan



54 race wins

95 podiums

5 world championships



Wins/Start Ratio: 2.65

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.54

World titles/Years: 1 in 2





41 races with Wayne Gardiner



14 race wins

32 podiums

1 world championship



Wins/Start Ratio: 2.92

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.28

World titles/Years: 1 in 3



12 races with Freddie Spencer (500cc prep not crew chief)



7 wins

8 podiums

1 world championship



Wins/Start Ratio: 1.71

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.5

World titles/Years: 1 in 1







So Baz you ....-not only is JB's time with Rossi the longest but its also by far the most successful, and even if you bring in that rubbish of only 10 out of 30 years-well that's 1/3 of his career with one rider-hardly a small part.......
 
Of course you are right Mick-Barry just continues to prove he's undoubtedly the biggest moronic patriarchal Bopper on the forum..........I'm sure he's even making the Yanks sick with this rubbish.



Just in case you need reminding Baz 'The Great'



JB as crew chief for 173 races with Valentino Rossi has



78 race wins

133 Podiums

7 world championships



Wins/Start Ratio: 2.21

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.30

World titles/Years: 1 in 1.5





145 races with Mick Doohan



54 race wins

95 podiums

5 world championships



Wins/Start Ratio: 2.65

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.54

World titles/Years: 1 in 2





41 races with Wayne Gardiner



14 race wins

32 podiums

1 world championship



Wins/Start Ratio: 2.92

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.28

World titles/Years: 1 in 3



12 races with Freddie Spencer (500cc prep not crew chief)



7 wins

8 podiums

1 world championship



Wins/Start Ratio: 1.71

Podiums Start Ratio: 1.5

World titles/Years: 1 in 1







So Baz you ....-not only is JB's time with Rossi the longest but its also by far the most successful, and even if you bring in that rubbish of only 10 out of 30 years-well that's 1/3 of his career with one rider-hardly a small part.......

Actually the record with gardner is more impressive than I had thought, particularly the podium ratio, and to an extent the win ratio considering he was racing eddie lawson among others.
 
78 race wins

133 Podiums

7 world championships



Yeah ........ small part, as prolific as that part has been, it has been far from the majority of his GP career.



There was talk of him retiring back when Doohan quit



The guy has had a 30 year career in MGP .......



You left out 3 years with Suzuki and Mamola



SO I ask you, was Rossi's stay at Honda a major part of his MGP career to you?
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Yeah ........ small part, as prolific as that part has been, it has been far from the majority of his GP career.



There was talk of him retiring back when Doohan quit



The guy has had a 30 year career in MGP .......



You left out 3 years with Suzuki and Mamola



SO I ask you, was Rossi's stay at Honda a major part of his MGP career to you?
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Stats didn't penetrate that thick membrane in your skull preventing any possible brain function if one was present



I could have also gone on about his time in the 70's in SA riding with his RG500, but career as a Motogp crew chief seemed more important. 30 year career in Motogp-23 as a crew chief-10 years with Rossi-SEVEN WORLD TITLES-SMALL PART?? your idiocy knows no bounds......please continue its entertaining, but remember we are laughing at you not with you.........
 
Pay back is a .....! When he left HRC for the dogs buttocks it was not a very clean transition. So, as the old saying goes; what goes around comes around. At least this time around, his move to Ducati is done professionally. He will gain one more person to cheer for him next year.













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Yamaha is going to freeze Rossi out of ALL new parts and improvements from now until and including Valencia

It is going to be their aim to support Horegay and Spies - wouldn't surprise me if all riders except Rossi get new parts.

Hope Rossi whips their arses - starting in Misano
 
Yamaha is going to freeze Rossi out of ALL new parts and improvements from now until and including Valencia

It is going to be their aim to support Horegay and Spies - wouldn't surprise me if all riders except Rossi get new parts.

Hope Rossi whips their arses - starting in Misano



that wouldnt surprise me either.. i can understand yamaha not allowing rossi to test a potential 2011 bike, because he'd have the knowledge and youd be stupid to give valentino any advantage like that, but they should remember that valentino is also the best test rider they have, so why not use that? rossi did a lot for yamaha, they should remember that.



im still shocked that rossi is jumping ship, i didnt expect that, but yamaha did right to keep lorenzo. i also think that if he were to win a championship with ducati, that would be the last, he'd go out on that high. he would have proved everything he wanted to..
 
that wouldnt surprise me either.. i can understand yamaha not allowing rossi to test a potential 2011 bike, because he'd have the knowledge and youd be stupid to give valentino any advantage like that, but they should remember that valentino is also the best test rider they have, so why not use that? rossi did a lot for yamaha, they should remember that.



im still shocked that rossi is jumping ship, i didnt expect that, but yamaha did right to keep lorenzo. i also think that if he were to win a championship with ducati, that would be the last, he'd go out on that high. he would have proved everything he wanted to..

Why are people getting their panties in a wad over Yamaha not letting Rossi play with the new parts. They dont owe him anything, he was hired to do a specific job, he did it very well and was compensated handsomely. They tried to rehire him and he went with another company, a competitor. This is a business, nothing more, nothing less. If a top research scientist announces he is heading to a competitor at the end of the year, he will be shown the door that day with severance in hand. The only way this gets ugly is if Rossi makes it that way. He cannot pretend that Yamaha shutting him out is a big suprise, if he does, he is not being honest. He planned for his future and Yamaha would be stupid to not plan for theirs. Their future is Lorenzo and Spies and that is where their focus is, where is the problem.
 
Why are people getting their panties in a wad over Yamaha not letting Rossi play with the new parts. They dont owe him anything, he was hired to do a specific job, he did it very well and was compensated handsomely. They tried to rehire him and he went with another company, a competitor. This is a business, nothing more, nothing less. If a top research scientist announces he is heading to a competitor at the end of the year, he will be shown the door that day with severance in hand. The only way this gets ugly is if Rossi makes it that way. He cannot pretend that Yamaha shutting him out is a big suprise, if he does, he is not being honest. He planned for his future and Yamaha would be stupid to not plan for theirs. Their future is Lorenzo and Spies and that is where their focus is, where is the problem.



i didnt say there was one.. i agree that he shouldnt be let in on the new bike, only why not get him develop some stuff while he's still there thats all. i think their relationship will end rocky though, Rossi'll throw his teddies out me thinks.
 
i didnt say there was one.. i agree that he shouldnt be let in on the new bike, only why not get him develop some stuff while he's still there thats all. i think their relationship will end rocky though, Rossi'll throw his teddies out me thinks.

Really wasnt aimed at you, just at anyone who questions why Yamaha is treating Vale like a former employee when it comes to company secrets.

If he does make this ugly, Yamaha will do as Honda did ,and not allow him to test at Valencia. Maybe thats how he gets motivated, he has to have a grudge.
 
On Sunday 15th August 2010, @Alex__Briggs said:



So seems like the next question is am I & the team also going?



I started as a bus mechanic 24 yrs ago. Have been involved in GPs 18 yrs. I am now lucky enough to be offered a choice as to where I may work next year when many people just want an opportunity 2 work. I will tell you when I can what I will be doing. I'm afraid that time is not now. Alex.











CHIEF N DA MECHANICS ?



Arn't the crew/crews etc on rolling 1 yr contracts anyway ? sure i read they are bcs of the annual silly season & some riders contracts running out etc





What about JB and other chiefs etc is he likely to be on a rolling contract or a set contract 3yr etc



Mechanic like Alex the offers Yam/Spies.? Yam/Horney.? Vale/Duck.?









still lots to come out



Colin wsbk..? Ben..Horney..? Cal...? Tech3 Pramac Gresini capirex etc and the Crews effected by this



sounds better than the 2010 season on the track
 
Autosport Q&A WITH VALENTINO ROSSI



After seven years and four world championship titles, Valentino Rossi is heading for pastures new in 2011, having signed a two-year deal with Ducati. It is only the 31-year-old's fourth manufacturer switch in a 15-year grand prix career.



But before he dons the red leathers, he must still complete the last eight races of his Yamaha contract, which is why he was testing at Brno on Monday. Afterwards he talked about his decision to leave Yamaha and join Ducati, what his motivation was, and why he needed to make the change for his own good.



Q. How was the test?



Valentino Rossi: It is a good test for us, because we understand different things, and maybe we understand also why yesterday we had a problem [during the Czech Grand Prix]. Today we changed quite a lot the setting of the bike and I have a better feeling with the front. So I'm happy, I'm confident we have found the right way to work in the next races. So it is an important test. And I want to clarify that yesterday I said that we don't understand why, but the test of today is very important because we understand maybe why [now]. We have a reason.



Q. What was the reason?



VR: Setting with the front. And for some reason on Saturday I was okay, but on Sunday I don't have the same front feeling. Today I was able to do good lap times. Unfortunately it rained. I had another front Bridgestone to try that Colin says is better, and I have another new soft tyre, so maybe it's possible to also make 1m56s. But anyway, we hope that this setting works also for the next races.



Q. Did you try any other new parts today?



VR: I tried some new parts for the engine, that maybe we can use in the last four or five races and are quite good.



Q. More power, more acceleration?



VR: A little bit more top power.



Q. And you think it's a step forward?



VR: It is a small step. Small but positive.



Q. You also tried the new Ohlins forks?



VR: No, I didn't try the fork, because Yamaha don't give them to me to try. So, yeah, yesterday I was very upset for this, because we have eight races to go, not two or three, and I want to make, like always, 110% of my effort for the second part of the season with Yamaha - for the last races for me with the M1. And I expect also the same effort from Yamaha. They say to me that they don't use this fork in the next races, so it is a fork for 2011. This is easy to understand, because the fork from the outside is different, so we will understand if this is the truth or it is a lie.



Q. Since yesterday it's official you're going to Ducati, a dream come true for many Italian fans. What does it mean for you exactly?



VR: It is good. Is a good feeling, and especially because I avoid all the people in Italy from the man who sells the newspaper to the people who make the coffee who say: 'Why you not go to Ducati? When you go to Ducati?' So this is more easy [laughs].



You know, it was a constant change, the change was not black and white, I go or I don't go. I started to think at the beginning of the year. At the beginning of the season I spoke to Ducati. I felt Ducati is a lot more different than in the past, a lot more open to fix all the important things of the contract together. So from that moment I start to think.



In general I have two or three important things. First, at the end of this season, Masao Furusawa retires, and stops work. So for me, it was important, this seven years Furusawa was always the number one of Yamaha. So without him, I don't know what will happen. So for this I was quite worried.



And also I have the feeling that my work here in Yamaha is finished. So the situation changed a lot. We did a great job, fantastic, great emotion, but we modified the situation from 2004 in positive, because now the bike is fantastic, maybe is the best one, and Yamaha have great riders, especially [Jorge] Lorenzo but also [Ben] Spies is fast. So it looks like for me here, the time is finished, you know? So I need a new adventure, some new experience, but especially a new motivation. So, I decided for Ducati.



Q. You have already been in contact with Ducati in the past, there were discussions years ago, and there was never a positive outcome. What exactly is it that you need to work well with Ducati?



VR: So, with my experience I know what I need in the contract to be calm and work in the right way, and like I say before this time Ducati is a lot more open to find a compromise.



Q. Can you give us details about what the changes were?



VR: Ah, yes, so, first I heard somewhere that it is a money choice, but I want to say that this is not true, because the money I will take from Ducati is exactly the same money as Yamaha offered. So there is no difference, zero difference. It means also PR days and days of work outside the grand prix and work into the weekend, all these things.



Q. How important is it to take your crew with you? Is that confirmed now?



VR: No, for me it's important but it is a crew choice, because everybody have different ages, different programmes for the future, so they have to decide.



Q. What are your feelings? Will Jeremy [Burgess] come with you?



VR: I hope yes, but I don't know.



Q. Both you and Casey [Stoner] are switching bikes at the end of this year, will you be asking for more testing?



VR: I think there is already a plan for more testing next year, because everybody understands that like this it is not enough. So we test less than half than Superbike, more than less than half! So before we had too much testing maybe, but now, in general no tests. And also for this reason, I expect that Yamaha will let me try the Ducati in Valencia, because our story is a different story, and I give more to Yamaha from 2004 to now, I improve a lot the bike and all the team, so if they are fair, they have to say yes for my test in Valencia.



Q. Next year when you race the Ducati, you'll be 32, seven years older than when you made your last change. Is this going to be more difficult than the last time?



VR: For me, is easier about bike, because for sure the Ducati is more competitive than the M1 in 2003, but more difficult about me, because I am older, and I have very strong rivals. But we have to try, no?



Q. You've always been curious in the past about trying the Ducati. What are you most looking forward to about riding the Ducati?



VR: So, I think that, I always speak with Filippo Preziosi, and I see in him the similar behavior that I saw in Furusawa in 2004. He wants me and he trusts in me and he thinks that together we can improve the Ducati, so I'm curious. I think this year the bike become a little bit easier to ride, but I think we can modify the bike like we want.



Q. Casey now has not won for 11 races on the Ducati. Are you worried that perhaps the Ducati does not have the potential?



VR: For me, the potential of the Ducati is quite good. It is similar to Yamaha, maybe the M1 is a bit better. So I change from a better bike to a little bit worse bike, but not a big difference.



Q. So you think it should be winning races now.



VR: I have to try, but I think it is not impossible.
 
Autosport Q&A WITH VALENTINO ROSSI



After seven years and four world championship titles, Valentino Rossi is heading for pastures new in 2011, having signed a two-year deal with Ducati. It is only the 31-year-old's fourth manufacturer switch in a 15-year grand prix career.



But before he dons the red leathers, he must still complete the last eight races of his Yamaha contract, which is why he was testing at Brno on Monday. Afterwards he talked about his decision to leave Yamaha and join Ducati, what his motivation was, and why he needed to make the change for his own good.



Q. How was the test?



Valentino Rossi: It is a good test for us, because we understand different things, and maybe we understand also why yesterday we had a problem [during the Czech Grand Prix]. Today we changed quite a lot the setting of the bike and I have a better feeling with the front. So I'm happy, I'm confident we have found the right way to work in the next races. So it is an important test. And I want to clarify that yesterday I said that we don't understand why, but the test of today is very important because we understand maybe why [now]. We have a reason.



Q. What was the reason?



VR: Setting with the front. And for some reason on Saturday I was okay, but on Sunday I don't have the same front feeling. Today I was able to do good lap times. Unfortunately it rained. I had another front Bridgestone to try that Colin says is better, and I have another new soft tyre, so maybe it's possible to also make 1m56s. But anyway, we hope that this setting works also for the next races.



Q. Did you try any other new parts today?



VR: I tried some new parts for the engine, that maybe we can use in the last four or five races and are quite good.



Q. More power, more acceleration?



VR: A little bit more top power.



Q. And you think it's a step forward?



VR: It is a small step. Small but positive.



Q. You also tried the new Ohlins forks?



VR: No, I didn't try the fork, because Yamaha don't give them to me to try. So, yeah, yesterday I was very upset for this, because we have eight races to go, not two or three, and I want to make, like always, 110% of my effort for the second part of the season with Yamaha - for the last races for me with the M1. And I expect also the same effort from Yamaha. They say to me that they don't use this fork in the next races, so it is a fork for 2011. This is easy to understand, because the fork from the outside is different, so we will understand if this is the truth or it is a lie.



Q. Since yesterday it's official you're going to Ducati, a dream come true for many Italian fans. What does it mean for you exactly?



VR: It is good. Is a good feeling, and especially because I avoid all the people in Italy from the man who sells the newspaper to the people who make the coffee who say: 'Why you not go to Ducati? When you go to Ducati?' So this is more easy [laughs].



You know, it was a constant change, the change was not black and white, I go or I don't go. I started to think at the beginning of the year. At the beginning of the season I spoke to Ducati. I felt Ducati is a lot more different than in the past, a lot more open to fix all the important things of the contract together. So from that moment I start to think.



In general I have two or three important things. First, at the end of this season, Masao Furusawa retires, and stops work. So for me, it was important, this seven years Furusawa was always the number one of Yamaha. So without him, I don't know what will happen. So for this I was quite worried.



And also I have the feeling that my work here in Yamaha is finished. So the situation changed a lot. We did a great job, fantastic, great emotion, but we modified the situation from 2004 in positive, because now the bike is fantastic, maybe is the best one, and Yamaha have great riders, especially [Jorge] Lorenzo but also [Ben] Spies is fast. So it looks like for me here, the time is finished, you know? So I need a new adventure, some new experience, but especially a new motivation. So, I decided for Ducati.



Q. You have already been in contact with Ducati in the past, there were discussions years ago, and there was never a positive outcome. What exactly is it that you need to work well with Ducati?



VR: So, with my experience I know what I need in the contract to be calm and work in the right way, and like I say before this time Ducati is a lot more open to find a compromise.



Q. Can you give us details about what the changes were?



VR: Ah, yes, so, first I heard somewhere that it is a money choice, but I want to say that this is not true, because the money I will take from Ducati is exactly the same money as Yamaha offered. So there is no difference, zero difference. It means also PR days and days of work outside the grand prix and work into the weekend, all these things.



Q. How important is it to take your crew with you? Is that confirmed now?



VR: No, for me it's important but it is a crew choice, because everybody have different ages, different programmes for the future, so they have to decide.



Q. What are your feelings? Will Jeremy [Burgess] come with you?



VR: I hope yes, but I don't know.



Q. Both you and Casey [Stoner] are switching bikes at the end of this year, will you be asking for more testing?



VR: I think there is already a plan for more testing next year, because everybody understands that like this it is not enough. So we test less than half than Superbike, more than less than half! So before we had too much testing maybe, but now, in general no tests. And also for this reason, I expect that Yamaha will let me try the Ducati in Valencia, because our story is a different story, and I give more to Yamaha from 2004 to now, I improve a lot the bike and all the team, so if they are fair, they have to say yes for my test in Valencia.



Q. Next year when you race the Ducati, you'll be 32, seven years older than when you made your last change. Is this going to be more difficult than the last time?



VR: For me, is easier about bike, because for sure the Ducati is more competitive than the M1 in 2003, but more difficult about me, because I am older, and I have very strong rivals. But we have to try, no?



Q. You've always been curious in the past about trying the Ducati. What are you most looking forward to about riding the Ducati?



VR: So, I think that, I always speak with Filippo Preziosi, and I see in him the similar behavior that I saw in Furusawa in 2004. He wants me and he trusts in me and he thinks that together we can improve the Ducati, so I'm curious. I think this year the bike become a little bit easier to ride, but I think we can modify the bike like we want.



Q. Casey now has not won for 11 races on the Ducati. Are you worried that perhaps the Ducati does not have the potential?



VR: For me, the potential of the Ducati is quite good. It is similar to Yamaha, maybe the M1 is a bit better. So I change from a better bike to a little bit worse bike, but not a big difference.



Q. So you think it should be winning races now.



VR: I have to try, but I think it is not impossible.





awesome thanks dude.



Is the old Honda boss taking Furusawa place?
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Great find jazkat, puts a few things in perspective. Interesting about the money? Did Yamaha offer 15million or Ducati only 9?
 
Great find jazkat, puts a few things in perspective. Interesting about the money? Did Yamaha offer 15million or Ducati only 9?

Very interesting, so he basically left because for the first time in his life, he has a teammate who is kicking his ... on identical equipment . Ducati was a safe choice at this point in his career, an adoring nation, a subservient teammate, and a bike that can be blamed if things dont work out
 
Very interesting, so he basically left because for the first time in his life, he has a teammate who is kicking his ... on identical equipment . Ducati was a safe choice at this point in his career, an adoring nation, a subservient teammate, and a bike that can be blamed if things dont work out



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkl3eXAHTRM[/media]



Now that's what I call fishing.
 
Great find jazkat, puts a few things in perspective. Interesting about the money? Did Yamaha offer 15million or Ducati only 9?



Because he can't stand to be the #2 rider on the bike he invested so much time and energy

on development. He's too accustomed to having the whole team and all the subsequent

publicity focused on himself. "Mentally tough" as he may be - it's got to be disheartening

to say the least - to experience the shift in focus as it transfers to the new kid in town.



Incidentally - it will be a huge triumph if Rossi is able to make the 800 Ducati competitive

against the current generation of competitors - after Stoner failed to do so.



Some say that it gives Rossi a boatload of excuses if he fails. But in the end both the

Rossiboppers and the genuine MGP mavens - when the dust has settled - will be saying

at least "the old man" made a valiant effort. There's no way people are going to turn their

backs on Rossi. His achievements have brought such deep admiration that in the end - he really can't "fail". I've never been one to wax hagiographic over Rossi. I just don't have that kind of depth of feeling about him. This is just what my gut tells me.
 

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