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quarantine for Burgess and Rossi

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The August break is drawing to a close as the Czech GP is approaches. More than the progress of the championship though, the focus is on Valentino Rossi and his eminent Ducati announcement.



There is some discussion about the exact date, and the most likely remains the Monday after the race, when the mid-season test is underway.



Obviously the honor and the responsibility of testing the Yamaha developments for 2011 will fall to Jorge Lorenzo, the rider who will also be called upon do lead the development of the new bike this winter. The famous wall that Rossi erected might actually help him in this respect. The situation isn't particular in any way; no outgoing rider has ever been given development work, and there have actually been cases where an exclusion from development work has been used as a psychological weapon. But this is now the reality, even if you want to nit pick the details and point out that Lorenzo hasn't actually re-signed with Yamaha yet. Therefore it isn't even a certainty that Valentino Rossi will participate in the test at all, unless they want to fine tune their bike setup for the second part of the season. Rossi probably doesn't want to leave the Japanese marque without scoring a few more wins for them... and himself.



Rossi's race performances will come under close scrutiny, however: a few wins will obviously be welcomed by all, so long as they don't adversely effect Jorge Lorenzo's championship run.



This is the reason that Yamaha has not officially granted permission for Rossi to begin testing immediately after the race in Valencia, unlike the green like given to Casey Stoner by Ducati.



Clearly things are not completely trouble free in the Rossi-Yamaha relationship right now as the Italian, as has happened in the past, will bring his entire crew with him, starting with Jeremy Burgess (pictured already "at work" with Ducati).



This was of course the reason that Honda prevented Rossi from testing at the end of 2003, and the Italian was forced to wait until 2004 and the first Sepang test. An intervention that was basically in vain, as Burgess instead was able to begin working on the new M1 immediately, based on his already considerable experience working with Valentino.



In this regard MotoGP is still lagging behind F.1, where all the top engineers and designers have clauses in their contracts preventing them from immediately starting work with a competitor.



SOURCE: http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/braking-news/1487-yamaha-quarantena-per-burgess-e-rossi.html
 

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"Pictured at work with Ducati"
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So not pictured having a chat in the pitlane then?
 
Rossi on Brno Test Yesterday



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Rossi's disappointment is evident when talking about Monday's test.



"Lorenzo and all the other factory riders will have a new fork and rear shock to test, that they can use before the end of the year, but they told me I won't be testing them. I worked my ... off to get back in shape, and to give 100% for the rest of the season, not 90%, and I expect the same from Yamaha."





An interesting argument, Rossi has a very valid point-he didn't have to come back early at all no doubt knowing he would be with Ducati next year for some time but you can understand why Yamaha don't want their chief competition for next season testing new parts, however its starting to look like bad blood and after such a long and successful relationship its getting ugly and is a great shame........
 
Rossi on Brno Test Yesterday



GPone

Rossi's disappointment is evident when talking about Monday's test.



"Lorenzo and all the other factory riders will have a new fork and rear shock to test, that they can use before the end of the year, but they told me I won't be testing them. I worked my ... off to get back in shape, and to give 100% for the rest of the season, not 90%, and I expect the same from Yamaha."





An interesting argument, Rossi has a very valid point-he didn't have to come back early at all no doubt knowing he would be with Ducati next year for some time but you can understand why Yamaha don't want their chief competition for next season testing new parts, however its starting to look like bad blood and after such a long and successful relationship its getting ugly and is a great shame........




Pay back is a .....! When he left HRC for the dogs buttocks it was not a very clean transition. So, as the old saying goes; what goes around comes around. At least this time around, his move to Ducati is done professionally. He will gain one more person to cheer for him next year.













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MY thoughts.



Rossi will go to Ducati and will ride the ducati at Valencia. Jb will stay at yamaha, he will not go back to HRC or move to ducati with Rossi. I think the JB / rossi relationship has soured. I think it started to sour when rossi against jb's wishes switched to bridgstone only for jb to have to publicly retract his opposing thoughts and admit rossi was right. Jb is in the twilight of his career and would find it easier to stick with yamaha and spies then move to ducati with rossi. I also think rossi in the twilight of his career wants to achieve a championship without jb to prove to himself and the doubters that its him and not just the vale/ jb partnership (a new goal).
 
^^^^ I think you are wrong there. I think Burgess will be going to either HRC or Ducati. HRC for stoner = twilight of his career. Or Go with his rider as he has said before. What incentive would he have to say where he is now. Spies already has House & woody. Lorenzo already has Ramon.













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^^^^ I think you are wrong there. I think Burgess will be going to either HRC or Ducati. HRC for stoner = twilight of his career. Or Go with his rider as he has said before. What incentive would he have to say where he is now. Spies already has House & woody. Lorenzo already has Ramon.













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Didn't you find it unusual that jb said in the post race interview " i have not spoken to rossi yet , but talking to the italians that have, he said he didn't have the same feel with the bike". From what ive seen over the years is, the first thing rossi does after a race is talk to jb. As i said, it's just my thought's but i think there splitting. JB to hrc with stoner aint going to happen. JB left hrc so i doubt he will want to go back there. Suppo is there waiting for stoner. Sticking with yam is like 'better the devil you know'.

So you think Spies would rather take " House & woody" or inherit rossi's crew
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Didn't you find it unusual that jb said in the post race interview " i have not spoken to rossi yet , but talking to the italians that have, he said he didn't have the same feel with the bike". From what ive seen over the years is, the first thing rossi does after a race is talk to jb. As i said, it's just my thought's but i think there splitting. JB to hrc with stoner aint going to happen. JB left hrc so i doubt he will want to go back there. Suppo is there waiting for stoner. Sticking with yam is like 'better the devil you know'.

So you think Spies would rather take " House & woody" or inherit rossi's crew
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Didn't JB said a few weeks back he goes with his rider. Or better yet, didn't HRC chief said, JB my friend come back to HRC. I guess you dont understand Suppo's position at HRC. He is not a crew chief! So what would Ben like to have?? A new crew chief he has to learn, that is been beaten by the other side of the garage by his own weapon
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. Or the guys that lead him to victory in the AMA & WSBK. If I was JB I would be looking to leave too. The greatest rider & crew chief getting whipped on their own tool by the other side of the garage.
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Why do you think Rossi is leaving? Make sense for JB to follow too, weather he goes with his rider or they part ways.









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Autosport Q & A with Ducati's top brass

Shortly after Valentino Rossi was finally confirmed as a Ducati rider for 2011 in the Brno paddock on Sunday afternoon, the Italian manufacturer held a press conference for the international media, hosted by its president and CEO Gabriele del Torchio CEO and team manager Vittoriano Guareschi.



Rossi, still under contract with Yamaha, was not present at the briefing, but here is what the men who signed the world's most famous motorcycle racer had to say...



GdT: I am personally glad of the choice that Valentino has made, and I believe that his decision is due to the fact of the excellent relations between Rossi and [Ducati general manager] Filippo Preziosi. They worked well together and they established a very good relationship. Those are the solid pillars on which we will build our new racing season for next year.



Q. Will Valentino be released from his contract in time to start testing with you in Valencia in November?



GdT: This decision is not in our hands but we expect Yamaha to release him at the end of the year. It is their decision not ours. The only thing that I can say is that we have released Casey Stoner. He will be released to ride the Honda bike after the final race at Valencia. So I am expecting that they revert something to us. We are still talking but there is no final decision.



Q. When did you start talking about this deal for the first time with Valentino?



GdT: It is quite a long history. Obviously we have had contact since a few months ago. Basically we decided to work together in July but the contract was finalised only a few days ago. It was a very recent decision and this is the reason why we announced it in Brno.



Q. Do you feel extra pressure now that you have Valentino Rossi riding a Ducati?



GdT: You feel the challenge. We are challenged by this decision and I believe that by working together, working with our engineers, under the leadership of Filippo Preziosi, and with the recommendations and suggestions that I am sure Valentino will give us next year, it will be an ideal combination. For sure it is very challenging. Now all of us are concentrating on the last eight races that remain this year, but next year is another history.



Q. Will Rossi lead the development of next year's bike?



GdT: Valentino will operate with us mainly for the 2012 bike, because the 2011 bike will be ready by the end of the season. But I am confident that he will work actively together with Filippo and his team to give us his recommendations, opinion and advice.



Q. Will he be the team leader?



GdT: We will treat our team members equally. There will be a second rider and we are in conversation with Nicky Hayden and I am confident we will achieve an agreement with him even if we have not yet signed anything.



Q. Is Rossi going to bring his entire crew over from Yamaha, which is led by Jerry Burgess?



GdT: It is too early to say. At the moment we have finalised an agreement with him. Wait and see. It is mainly a decision that we will leave to Valentino.



Q. Can you imagine the excitement in Italy if Ducati won the title with Rossi? Does this add extra pressure?



GdT: First of all I cross my fingers because it is too early to say that our objective is to win the title. So we will see what will happen. I believe that by combining two Italian icons, and Valentino is for sure an Italian icon, it will have a tremendous effect not only in Italy, but all over the world.



Q. The Ducati MotoGP bike has a reputation for being difficult to ride, will it be difficult for Valentino to adapt to that?



GdT: There is a saying in America that perception is reality. In this case I believe that perception is not reality. We have duly demonstrated with Nicky Hayden that the bike is easy to ride and the improvements that we have achieved this year and noticeable for all of us.



Q. Do you make any claim that the main goal is to win the championship with Rossi?



GdT: Obviously this is our dream.



Q. How long will it take?



GdT: There is no forecast for that. We will see.



Q. Did you consider it a risk that if you win it will be perceived as a victory for Rossi rather than Ducati?



GdT: My answer is that we will share the destiny. So if we win, it will be together and if we lose, we will lose together. But I believe that the second option is not contemplated at the moment!



Q. Do you have an option with Rossi beyond the next two years?



GdT: We don't have fixed plans after the next two years. Obviously it really depends what happens over the next two years. It is quite normal in this sport to sign a contract for two years, so we will see what will happen. Two years is a quite a long period to define if we work well together.



Q. How did you finance the deal?



GdT: I have to say that I am very glad for the help that we received from our shareholder. Ducati is now fully owned by an Italian private equity investment which is controlled by the Bonomi family, which is one of the most prominent Italian families, but in the mean time I am glad for the support we got from Phillip Morris and from the other sponsors.



Q. Can you reveal anything about the salary you will pay Rossi?



GdT: Salary is not important. We are not in a position to disclose the amount of compensation that we will pay him. Our main decision was not money-related, but based on the confidence we have in Valentino, and in his ability to support us in developing the bike. And by the fact that combining two Italian icons we will achieve a very important visibility for this sport, MotoGP and Ducati.



Q. Will Ducati allocate extra money to the sporting department for this programme?



GdT: We will put all the money that is necessary for it to be successful. We won't disclose this number, but obviously we are aware that the challenge is so important that we will be in a condition to invest more money than in the past.



Q. Do you have more sponsors interested because of this deal?



GdT: It is too early to say. Frankly speaking our sponsors have long term agreements.



Q. What about FIAT?



GdT: They have not disclosed their position - I believe they will do so within the coming weeks.



Q. To Vittoriano Guareschi (Ducati team manager): What is your personal opinion of Rossi's ability to develop the bike, given your own experiences as a test rider in the past?



VG: I think Rossi has so much experience with Honda and Yamaha and for sure this is important for Ducati to have a rider like this. Sure the bike will improve with Valentino and we want to push in this direction because it is necessary for us to work a lot I think.



Q. Are you a little bit behind with the 2011 bike, are you worried about that?



VG: I don't know about this. We have many parts and many technical minds in Ducati. We have Filippo Preziosi and he is an incredible technical man and I'm sure that the bike development... we want to have a good bike for next year and for 2012.



GdT: Our engineers have been working for many months to define next year's bike so they are fully activated in designing the bike.



Q. Vito will you have the same position as team manager next year and if so do you intend to make any changes in your crew?



VG: Yes. And, in this moment, no.



Q. What about Jerry Burgess?



VG: At this moment we don't know what will happen.



Q. Will Ducati continue with World Superbikes next year?



GdT: World Superbike remains one of our main interests. We have a long history in WSB, so you will see Ducati bikes in the next year and the coming years in that series. The two divisions are under the control of Filippo Preziosi but we have separate departments looking after MotoGP and WSB.



Q. Did you start working with Rossi after you got the news that Stoner was leaving or before?



GdT: There is the story of the hen, and the egg...



Q. Would you like Rossi to race for Ducati in WSB?



GdT: It depends on him, obviously we would be very happy to have him on our Superbike bike, but obviously he should remain concentrated on MotoGP.



Q. How can you imagine the Madonna di Camiglio pre-season event with Fernando Alonso and Valentino Rossi together?



GdT: (Laughter) That's an interesting question. A lot of crowds, many journalists and very exciting.



Q. Will Rossi switch to Formula 1 after this?



GdT: Valentino has signed with us for the coming two years what will happen after that… Before that he will stay with us.



Q. How much promotional activity will Valentino Rossi have to do for Ducati, he doesn't like to do too many days?



GdT: This is a very sensitive question and obviously we will find a good compromise with him. So he is happy and we are happy and then for very selected events we will enjoy the press of Valentino in the next year. A good compromise.



Q. Is this the biggest deal ever done in Italian sporting history and is he now the best paid Italian sportsman?



GdT: That's difficult for me to give you an answer. You are the sports journalists, you should know better than me the amount of money involved in the other sports. I cannot answer.



Q. What changed between now and 2003 for Rossi to change his mind about Ducati?



GdT: Better to ask him, but I believe that the main reason is down to the relationship he has established with Filippo Preziosi. I believe this was the key factor. It is not a question of money. Obviously it is my opinion that Valentino will be proud to ride and race with an Italian bike but in the meantime the relationship with Filippo played a very important role.



Q. Who made the first move?



GdT: Simultaneously! We sent some messages, he sent some messages, and you know there was a kind of… the stars aligned.



Q. He is not allowed to sit at the table with you now because he is under contract?



GdT: Absolutely.



Q. Will you be asking for the number of tests to be extended during the season?



VG: It's under discussion at this time. It's not Ducati's decision or the rider's decision. Before this it is important to know the new calendar, and then after I think Dorna will keep the decision for the winter testing.



Q. Will you give Rossi the opportunity to carry special colour schemes?



GdT: For sure he will have something special to do with the #46. This remains… All the remaining things are still in discussion with him, but we will not give up the red colour of Ducati obviously.



Q. When you started talking to Rossi, was the main objective to have him within the team or in Ducati? Within the factory team or maybe for him to set up his own team like he did when he came to Honda?



GdT: We have only one preferred course and that is to have him inside the official team, we never contemplated the other option.



Q. Will we see Rossi testing a Ducati at Valencia in November?



GdT: As I said before, we hope that, but it is not yet decided. Yamaha has to decide.



Q. How do you think the Ducati fans will react to the news?



GdT: I'm very interested to see the reaction to that tomorrow morning on the various blogs and so on. We already have seen some comments and what I have seen they are all positive.



Q. If Valentino has stayed with Yamaha, would you have taken Lorenzo instead?



GdT: Valentino is not staying with Yamaha so we took Valentino.
 
Didn't JB said a few weeks back he goes with his rider.



A lot of the italian press seems to be saying that, but every time I have seen him interviewed on Aust. TV he is pretty much indicating he will make his own decision but wait and see what Rossi does first. So no jump straight into Ducati then, and given the "quarantine" on JB and crew, its obviously not definite he will stay at Yamaha.



There has been more talk of getting back to "the Doohan Days" on Aust. TV, ie. by teaming up with Stoner. Beatty also said JB would be welcome anywhere, I guess that means Honda included. Could be wishful thinking on the part of the Aust. media but it must be an option for JB for sure.



I think the current options for him are:



Stay at Yam. in some lind of interteam overseeing role.



Go to Duc. with Rossi.



Go back to his old long term employer HRC and form a team with Stoner and the parts of his crew who are defecting.
 
A lot of the italian press seems to be saying that, but every time I have seen him interviewed on Aust. TV he is pretty much indicating he will make his own decision but wait and see what Rossi does first. So no jump straight into Ducati then, and given the "quarantine" on JB and crew, its obviously not definite he will stay at Yamaha.



There has been more talk of getting back to "the Doohan Days" on Aust. TV, ie. by teaming up with Stoner. Beatty also said JB would be welcome anywhere, I guess that means Honda included. Could be wishful thinking on the part of the Aust. media but it must be an option for JB for sure.



I think the current options for him are:



Stay at Yam. in some lind of interteam overseeing role.



Go to Duc. with Rossi.



Go back to his old long term employer HRC and form a team with Stoner and the parts of his crew who are defecting.







Yeah! I remember you guys from down under mention that TV interview. Seems to me JB might be looking elsewhere too. There was a publication I was reading a few weeks back. It had picture of JB & HRC chief together. The article mention HRC boss jokingly say come back JB, & JB was the one that taught him to speak english. It was also mention that they are both very good friends.

















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Yeah! I remember you guys from down under mention that TV interview. Seems to me JB might be looking elsewhere too. There was a publication I was reading a few weeks back. It had picture of JB & HRC chief together. The article mention HRC boss jokingly say come back JB, & JB was the one that taught him to speak english. It was also mention that they are both very good friends.



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Doohan was, and possibly still is, instrumental in much of how HRC feels about JB. Doohan may still be working behind the scene to get him back there? Who knows?



JB also made comments last night in an interview, he seems veeery open to what he is doing. I think the negotiations for him and the crew are only just starting. Rightfully so he has waited for Rossi to make his decision now he must make his. Its quite obvious he has many options, so who knows where he will go. One thing I will proffer is that JB may do a simillar thing to Rossi, for what would be his "swansong" in GP, ie. team up with what he sees as "coming home" ...... ie. HRC and and Australian ( Stoner ).



You also have to remember that. as much as the Rossifans feel that Rossi must be "the universe" to JB, in actual fact Rossi has only been a small part of JB's very successful career.
 
Doohan was, and possibly still is, instrumental in much of how HRC feels about JB. Doohan may still be working behind the seems to get him back there? Who knows?



JB also made comments last night in an interview, he seems veeery open to what he is doing. I think the negotiations for him and the crew are only just starting. Rightfully so he has waited for Rossi to make his decision now he must make his. Its quite obvious he has many options, so who knows where he will go. One thing I will proffer is that JB may do a simillar thing to Rossi, for what would be his "swansong" in GP, ie. team up with what he sees as "coming home" ...... ie. HRC and and Australian ( Stoner ).



You also have to remember that. as much as the Rossifans feel that Rossi must be "the universe" to JB, in actual fact Rossi has only been a small part of JB's very successful career.






That I already know from a long time. I for one is hoping for a Stoner JB combo.
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That I already know from a long time. I for one is hoping for a Stoner JB combo.
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I think I know what you mean, even if one is not a Stoner fan, it would be entriguing to see if that "combo" would be near perfection.



Though I suspect it may become "tiresome" for some pretty quickly
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But hey, in order to beat Lorenzo with how dominant he is, it may well take such a "combo" to topple him.
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Sorry barry, this nonsense. & out of You also have to remember that. as much as the Rossifans feel that Rossi must be "the universe" to JB, in actual fact Rossi has only been a small part of JB's very successful career.

Sorry barry, this is nonsense. 7 out of 14 or 15 world championships by my arithmetic is about 50%, and he wasn't crew chief for freddie spencer. One view of it is that jb was lucky to hook up with doohan and rossi, both of whom were also gracious enough to share the credit with him more than is the norm. I have no doubt that doohan and rossi would still have been very successful with other crew chiefs, even if said crew chiefs were not quite as good as jb. I seem to recall there being other capable crew chiefs before jb (erv kanemoto for one who may have taught jb at least some of what he knows), and lorenzo's crew chief currently doesn't seem to be doing too badly either.



Rossi has nothing to prove with or without jb, not that I think going to ducati is necessarily a good move
 
Sorry barry, this is nonsense. 7 out of 14 or 15 world championships by my arithmetic is about 50%, and he wasn't crew chief for freddie spencer. One view of it is that jb was lucky to hook up with doohan and rossi, both of whom were also gracious enough to share the credit with him more than is the norm. I have no doubt that doohan and rossi would still have been very successful with other crew chiefs, even if said crew chiefs were not quite as good as jb. I seem to recall there being other capable crew chiefs before jb (erv kanemoto for one who may have taught jb at least some of what he knows), and lorenzo's crew chief currently doesn't seem to be doing too badly either.



Rossi has nothing to prove with or without jb, not that I think going to ducati is necessarily a good move



Get real Michael
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Nobody elses numbers come anywhere near JB.



Yes its at least 50% ...... you find that a small number
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Get real Michael
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Nobody elses numbers come anywhere near JB.



Yes its at least 50% ...... you find that a small number
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I will spell it out. You said rossi was only a small part of jb's career. My point was that it is nonsense to say that 50% of the world championships with which jb has been associated are a small part of his career.
 
I will spell it out. You said rossi was only a small part of jb's career. My point was that it is nonsense to say that 50% of the world championships with which jb has been associated are a small part of his career.



Good on you Michael, you keep thinking that way
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Personally I think JB is way underestimated, possibly due to his own quiet persona.

I really hope he doesn't go to Ducati as it would answer more the question of his value.



But I think you are falling into the trap of "recency" a tad too much.
 
Personally I think JB is way underestimated, possibly due to his own quiet persona.

I think he is almost universally fairly highly rated, and correctly so. Many of the people called boppers by some rate his work with doohan etc prior to rossi highly as well.



But whilst I consider him to have contributed significantly to both doohan's and rossi's careers as they have acknowledged, imo the majority of the credit for their world championships should actually go to mick and valentino
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