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I stopped buying their Videopass a few years ago. If you buy something then this is an agreement between two parties. In my opinion they got greedy and I voted with legs. They think they can do it because they have monopoly. Now I search for free streams on the net and so far never missed a race. Is it illegal? Then shame on me. Or shame on them for charging too much?
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I don't think so, I did have to renew my annual video pass to watch the valencia test. Not sure why your auto billing did not renew itself?
I consider the subscription to be rather good value for my entertainment dollar compared to pretty much anything, and believe I still pay less than many because I have always auto renewed my original subscription a decade or more ago.
Despite being far from a Dorna/uncle Carmelo fan I also have a philosophical opinion that if everyone uses pirate streams/content there will eventually be no content. An easy position for me perhaps because I am reasonably well heeled while I continue to work/remain un-retired. I actually am unsure if I could access the testing on MotoGP.com because it was live on my cable TV subscription in Australia. I do like the live timing during the season despite everything being on my cable TV.
Despite being far from a Dorna/uncle Carmelo fan I also have a philosophical opinion that if everyone uses pirate streams/content there will eventually be no content. An easy position for me perhaps because I am reasonably well heeled while I continue to work/remain un-retired. I actually am unsure if I could access the testing on MotoGP.com because it was live on my cable TV subscription in Australia. I do like the live timing during the season despite everything being on my cable TV.
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Their price more more than doubled since I started buying it - many years ago. I just cannot believe it to be reasonable. If I bought it I'd feel I'm a sucker, I could not enjoy it. New subscribers may feel it differently, they see the price and have to decide whether it is worth their money or not. I used to be in business myself before cancer took me down and what I see there is unreasonable markup, abuse of their monopoly.
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This is something all copyright holders love to recite to us. And it is not true indeed. Ultimately piracy is what keeps lid on their pricing. In this case, who would care about pirate streams if there was reasonably priced legal service? Very few, I know I would pay gladly for it, I used to do it. Furthermore, if piracy really caused them to go bankrupt then there still would be content, someone else would pick up the business and try and sell it in a better way. This is how it always is in the real world. Competition is what benefits the customer and keeps prices down. They have managed to eliminate the legal competition and rise the price. They would rise it even more if there wasn't any alternative.
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As I said I am not a Dorna admirer and they are monopolists as you say. Certainly I enjoyed WSBK in former days and followed it fairly avidly, and hardly watch it now since Dorna bought it and dumbed it down. I am perhaps fortunate in my current financial circumstances which are for sure not forever, but the MotoGP.com subscription is still good value for me compared to a single concert or night out at a swish restaurant. (EDIT Still paid 120 euros/under AUD 200 for my recent renewal).
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I just had a brief look at Dorna value. It has been grown over 200% within 10 years. I'm sure somewhere can be found more detailed financial information, but such a growth is impossible without huge profits. And don't forget, profits is the money they didn't manage to spend. It does not include lavish lifestyle of executives (on company expenses account), dream salaries, etc.
Piracy may be evil, but so is monopoly. It is evil vs. evil. It really does not matter what you call it. That's the real life in the real world. The fact you may spend in a pub more in one night is really quite irrelevant consolation, isn't it? With this logic I could justify buying a pair of socks for $50.
Piracy may be evil, but so is monopoly. It is evil vs. evil. It really does not matter what you call it. That's the real life in the real world. The fact you may spend in a pub more in one night is really quite irrelevant consolation, isn't it? With this logic I could justify buying a pair of socks for $50.
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Its $200AUD a year, which isn't cheap but its the only sport I really love so I can justify it, I totally understand if others couldnt/wouldnt pay that amount but everyone's different. I do enjoy the no spoilers feature, access to all sessions and the additional content and the historical races access is a cool feature for when im bored doing a night shift.
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Nothing wrong with that. 
Edit: I'm not sure I recall it correctly, I think I paid $50 for my first year, long time ago. Maybe it was $60. It would still be in the same price range if there was competition instead of monopoly.
Edit: I'm not sure I recall it correctly, I think I paid $50 for my first year, long time ago. Maybe it was $60. It would still be in the same price range if there was competition instead of monopoly.
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Don't compare your earning power in Aus compared to mine here now in spain.
When I lived in sydney I could pay for subscriptions etc
Here in spain its quite effed up and thanks ....... god they brought DAZN along because the other suscriptions were over 90euros a year.
Now I pay 5 euros a month and get all motogp (not sure about the testing), all MMA cards UFC and Bellator and alos plenty of boxing, superbikes and some stuff all in 1.
5 euros would be roughy 8aud
The subscription is still the best option available to me, imo. It feels expensive but I think over the year, it's reasonable. More races all the time, too. Mine auto renewed without me really realising so I got access to testing and spent the last couple of days listening to the commentary and watching live timing screens "while I worked". I like having access to the testing.
I can't remember how much i paid initially and I think the talk of it having doubled over the last few years is accurate.
I also like that I can go back and watch old stuff any time I want. Lorenzo rides on, in my house.... sigh
I can't remember how much i paid initially and I think the talk of it having doubled over the last few years is accurate.
I also like that I can go back and watch old stuff any time I want. Lorenzo rides on, in my house.... sigh
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Now we are in the real world with real people. Nobody cares about the real value of service, the only thing that matters is affordability. And this is relative, depending on income.
But then again, if people paid only for things what are worth paying for it then for instance Microsoft would have been out of business for decades now. (Their main product is still not capable of connecting safely to the internet.)
Nobody cares about the real value of service, the only thing that matters is affordability. And this is relative, depending on income.But then again, if people paid only for things what are worth paying for it then for instance Microsoft would have been out of business for decades now. (Their main product is still not capable of connecting safely to the internet.)
Nothing wrong with that.
Edit: I'm not sure I recall it correctly, I think I paid $50 for my first year, long time ago. Maybe it was $60. It would still be in the same price range if there was competition instead of monopoly.
So i am not the only person who thinks Rossi made MotoGP Pay to watch when it was free to watch in many many places?
I think only Aus has the free race on channel ONE currently.
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Not Rossi. Don't mix tools with masters who use these tools. Rossi was paid good for his services, but the real money goes to the business owners. They made us pay for it because they could. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Edit: They price they are charging for Videopass has nothing to do with expenses associated with the service. This is the price they have found balances with current market conditions. If they increased the price there probably would be more subscribers dropping it, less price would shrink profits. So they charge as much as they can, to maximize the profits. In free market conditions the price drops when the number of customers increases, this is natural. It is all different if you have monopoly.
Edit 2: Look at the numbers here. See these zeroes? No matter how much they pay Rossi, it is a drop in the bucket.
Edit: They price they are charging for Videopass has nothing to do with expenses associated with the service. This is the price they have found balances with current market conditions. If they increased the price there probably would be more subscribers dropping it, less price would shrink profits. So they charge as much as they can, to maximize the profits. In free market conditions the price drops when the number of customers increases, this is natural. It is all different if you have monopoly.
Edit 2: Look at the numbers here. See these zeroes? No matter how much they pay Rossi, it is a drop in the bucket.
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Not Rossi. Don't mix tools with masters who use these tools. Rossi was paid good for his services, but the real money goes to the business owners. They made us pay for it because they could. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Edit: They price they are charging for Videopass has nothing to do with expenses associated with the service. This is the price they have found balances with current market conditions. If they increased the price there probably would be more subscribers dropping it, less price would shrink profits. So they charge as much as they can, to maximize the profits. In free market conditions the price drops when the number of customers increases, this is natural. It is all different if you have monopoly.
Edit 2: Look at the numbers here. See these zeroes? No matter how much they pay Rossi, it is a drop in the bucket.
I may have not expressed my opinion correctly.
I didn't mean Rossi is the one getting more pay per PPV, I meant that Dorna knew they would cash in because them Rossi fans would spend their hard earned bucks on him no matter what.
Pay for subscriptions, buy hats and shirts etc etc.
Had he not pulled in this huge (albeit disgusting in my opinion) fanbase ready to throw money at anything featuring him this wouldn't have happened, at least not this soon.
Still just an opinion but I am quite certain its like this because of what I say, especially if we consider the timings.
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F>>k me.. I'ts amazing what VR is held responsible for these days.
I find my subscription great value, especially when compared to what I have to pay for in Formula 1.
Live streaming plus streaming on demand plus access to archives during the subscription period. Pre and post race press conferences, practice streaming etc.
Not to mention this is for Moto 1 &2 as well as MotoGP.
I find my subscription great value, especially when compared to what I have to pay for in Formula 1.
Live streaming plus streaming on demand plus access to archives during the subscription period. Pre and post race press conferences, practice streaming etc.
Not to mention this is for Moto 1 &2 as well as MotoGP.
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you are correct i found the problem my auto bill didnt go through because my CC number was stolen earlier in the year. the card number changed and got rejected. everything is good now.
thank you
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Hahaha, exactly the same thing happened to me with my card.
He did it to himself for sticking around and being a .... for so long & I have a point too.
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It's free in India. I lived there for a while.
