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Phillip Island may lose MotoGP??

Gaz

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Source:- http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-s...sticking-to-guns/story-fn2ms4i4-1225978847221





MotoGP organisers insist on Phillip Island date change but Australia Grand Prix chief sticking to guns









Phillip Island risks losing the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix after next year unless it switches to a March date, according to MotoGP organisers.



Dorna, who promote the series, say that unless the change is made, the race will not be approved.



However, the Australian Grand Prix is adamant the race will remain in its October timeslot until at least the end of the contract extension, which runs until 2016.



The timing of the race has been criticised by several riders, led by seven-time world champion Valentino Rossi, who says cold weather and fierce winds ruin what should be a showcase event.



Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta says the 2011 Australian GP will go ahead from October 14-16, but from then on the race must be brought forward.



"It was clear that to move for next year was very complicated," Ezpeleta said.



"We have spoken to them and for next year the calendar will be as the provisional one already printed.



"We understand because of the short notice, but for 2012 it will be at the beginning of the season.



"It must be at the beginning of the year because I think it is too risky later in the season.



"For 2012 it will be compulsory and the FIM will not homologate the circuit unless the race is at the beginning of the year. There can be no excuses in 2012."



However AGPC chief executive Andrew Westacott says there are no plans to change the dates of the race.



Westacott says bringing the race forwards to March would cause multiple problems and impact on the Formula One Grand Prix at the end of the month.



"There's a contract that Dorna have got that exists with us that says the race will be in September-October until 2016," Westacott said.



"Carmelo has been suggesting this for a while on and off but we've never had a delayed race, never had a cancelled race.



"The vagaries of the weather exist all around the place at various times of the year.



"It's not as easy as saying we'll just slot it in in March.



"Marshalls and emergency services would also be doing potentially World Superbikes (in February), MotoGP testing at Phillip Island and the Formula One event."



Westacott accused Dorna of "posturing" and said there was no logic to the request but would hold discussions with the organisation next month.







Discussion time.



Should it be moved and if so why?



Remembering that as stated in the article, no late starts etc (against one cancelled race in March WSBK), a contract allegedly exists ETC ETC.











Gaz
 
How about that Carmelo Ezpeleta is a moron who has managed to watch the grid numbers, manufactures disappear and loose control to the MSMA (picking crazy rules that diverge from what the public want to see).



There have been races delayed and even cancelled at many other tracks without a change in schedule being required. I'd say the weather in Europe is much less reliable than that of Australia (after all bad weather in Southern Australia means 4 degrees and the odd shower, not -4 and snowing!).



Maybe it will serve them right to move it further north and to summer, right when it is northern Australia's wet season.
 
The timing of the race has been criticised by several riders, led by seven-time world champion Valentino Rossi, who says cold weather and fierce winds ruin what should be a showcase event.





Discussion time.



Should it be moved and if so why?



Remembering that as stated in the article, no late starts etc (against one cancelled race in March WSBK), a contract allegedly exists ETC ETC.



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Well if they couldn't move Qatar back to a daytime race after the rained off night race, they sure as .... won't be able to shift the Island.
 
From a fan's standpoint, it should be moved, but there is no compelling business reason for Philip Island to agree to the change. If Carmelo signed a September through October contract then PI should remain in that time slot unless the business environment changes or F1 changes the date of the Melbourne race.



MotoGP is completely screwed. Best just to let it go, and we can reconvene in 2020 or 2022 (can't remember when the Dorna/FIM contract expires) when the manufacturers are banished, Dorna is banished, and the fuel restrictions are eliminated.



Racing bikes should be built by racing manufacturers who earn all of their money racing. Mass production companies should be eliminated and sponsorship (including investment by mass production companies) should be eliminated. Before TV it was impossible to run a series without manufacturer investment and sponsor investment. It blows my mind that the FIA and FIM would continue to bend over backwards for manufacturers and sponsors now that TV contracts and sanctioning fees generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenues. If not for the monopoly power exerted by the manufacturers and their international racing clubs, FIA and FIM sanctioned events would have died unceremonious deaths during the 21st century.
 
The Island is a little controversial for a lot of Aussie Fans, personally I believe the track is among the best in the world, however the location is quite remote and fans are also often subject to horrible weather conditions, especially in the camp grounds. Combine this with only a small town nearby and very little 'out of circuit' entertainment and an hour and a half drive to Melbourne makes it challenging for a lot of fans. I know some aussie fans are now choosing to travel to Sepang over the island these days as it works out cheaper and a more entertaining weekend overall, apparently as I haven't done it.





Unfortunately here in OZ, Amazingly there aren't really any other venues bar Eastern Creek in Sydney, which has lapsed into a club circuit, we do have fantastic tourist destinations with much better all year round weather and close by entertainment-but no track to speak of.



The clash with WSBK and F1 in March wouldn't be good for Dorna and obviously the refusal to consider the move by PI GP management isn't good. I'm sure that NSW tourism is already on the line to Carmelo trying to do a deal...........
 
The Island is a little controversial for a lot of Aussie Fans, personally I believe the track is among the best in the world, however the location is quite remote and fans are also often subject to horrible weather conditions, especially in the camp grounds. Combine this with only a small town nearby and very little 'out of circuit' entertainment and an hour and a half drive to Melbourne makes it challenging for a lot of fans. I know some aussie fans are now choosing to travel to Sepang over the island these days as it works out cheaper and a more entertaining weekend overall, apparently as I haven't done it.



True, the location is part of the problem but it is also part of the positive mystique of the event in itself, much like Btahurst for the V8 fans (Oz centric there for the overseas people).



Also very true is the costs associated given the return that people receive in terms of facilities etc.



As for your comment about Sepang, I know a number who have done it and they do say that it works out cheaper even when you factor in the air travel costs against the riding costs (and associated risk given the huge over-policing of the speed nazis). I remember one person saying that he would estimate that Sepang would be around $500 cheaper if one stayed in accomodation and did not camp at the Island, thus he has done the last 2 Sepang over PI but does do the PI WSBK round.





Unfortunately here in OZ, Amazingly there aren't really any other venues bar Eastern Creek in Sydney, which has lapsed into a club circuit, we do have fantastic tourist destinations with much better all year round weather and close by entertainment-but no track to speak of.



The clash with WSBK and F1 in March wouldn't be good for Dorna and obviously the refusal to consider the move by PI GP management isn't good. I'm sure that NSW tourism is already on the line to Carmelo trying to do a deal...........



But NSW is in election mode so who knows, although the current NSW government is not the most bike friendly so I strongly doubt it would happen , plus the V8's around Homebush run at a government subsidised loss so doubt it, even when I read you comments as tongue in cheek.



The other complication factor with Eastern Creek (as I am told) is that it may very well no longer meet FIM regulations due to some changes made to accomodate the copycat F1 event that was held there (was it A1GP?).



Time will tell but I personally fully expect that the date will change as DORNA want it but the race will stay at PI with the bigger likelihood of change of venue being WSBK but I do not know their contractual situation (nor have I seen anything)



Bugger it, I say race them around Bathurst.















Gaz
 
Great track get the best from it in the right conditions SO if a better date can be found in a more favorable time/seasonal slot do it.



Carmelo < ....

Dorna < bigger ....

Motogp < ^ ...... by the twats





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Seriously, the call to move dates is a bit of a knee jerk reaction.

Yes you will get better weather in March but it clashes with too many other events.

As cold as it was on race weekend this year, the weekend before was just beautiful weather.

Sometimes .... happens & a cold front moves in. No big deal.

Move the race from the Island? Sacrilege.

Anyway no other track in Australia could host it right now.
 
True, the location is part of the problem but it is also part of the positive mystique of the event in itself, much like Btahurst for the V8 fans (Oz centric there for the overseas people).



Also very true is the costs associated given the return that people receive in terms of facilities etc.



As for your comment about Sepang, I know a number who have done it and they do say that it works out cheaper even when you factor in the air travel costs against the riding costs (and associated risk given the huge over-policing of the speed nazis). I remember one person saying that he would estimate that Sepang would be around $500 cheaper if one stayed in accomodation and did not camp at the Island, thus he has done the last 2 Sepang over PI but does do the PI WSBK round.









But NSW is in election mode so who knows, although the current NSW government is not the most bike friendly so I strongly doubt it would happen , plus the V8's around Homebush run at a government subsidised loss so doubt it, even when I read you comments as tongue in cheek.



The other complication factor with Eastern Creek (as I am told) is that it may very well no longer meet FIM regulations due to some changes made to accomodate the copycat F1 event that was held there (was it A1GP?).



Time will tell but I personally fully expect that the date will change as DORNA want it but the race will stay at PI with the bigger likelihood of change of venue being WSBK but I do not know their contractual situation (nor have I seen anything)



Bugger it, I say race them around Bathurst.















Gaz





Thanks for the tip on Sepang mate, I have contemplated it for the past few years and might now.



Bathurst eh........yep just a few well placed sand traps and I say bring it on!!! What a spectacle......
 
I think they would need to move some of the walls on the mountain at Bathurst. Great circuit but will never see motogp due to the safety considerations.
 
I think they would need to move some of the walls on the mountain at Bathurst. Great circuit but will never see motogp due to the safety considerations.





Yes indeed, maybe a .... load of those Air fences
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Imagine what they'd get up too at the chase........
 
I think they would need to move some of the walls on the mountain at Bathurst. Great circuit but will never see motogp due to the safety considerations.





I don't get the whole Bathurst thing, apart from the climb up the mountain its a bit bland. Its not a skill track for riders more of a daring track. And besides it was a deathtrap for bikes, they would leave the ground on the old Conrod straight and not land in time to slow enough for Shell corner ...... result many deaths.



Besides its not a great spectator track, the action disappears for so long that the crowd has to find "other distractions" ..... and they do ..... and the cops hate it
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Moving the dates will do nothing, bloody hell the track is located next to the Bass Strait with constant weather changes. Talpa after doing our annual pilgrimage to the island we won't be returning this year but instead we will be going to Sepang. Yes its cheaper to go there. . Eastern creek to make a comeback? Why not, it's located about 45 mins from the CBD, the track it self is pretty decent & the fact that i live about 10mins away makes perfect sense to me
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But that will never happen thanks to the NSW gov they spent a .... load off money on the stupid V8 supercars street circut at homebush rather than put that money into upgrading Eastern creek. . .
 
Seriously, the call to move dates is a bit of a knee jerk reaction.

Yes you will get better weather in March but it clashes with too many other events.

As cold as it was on race weekend this year, the weekend before was just beautiful weather.

Sometimes .... happens & a cold front moves in. No big deal.

Move the race from the Island? Sacrilege.



Spot on. Would Dorna consider moving the dates or face elimination in one of the four Spanish rounds because of rain? Please.
 
Spot on. Would Dorna consider moving the dates or face elimination in one of the four Spanish rounds because of rain? Please.



Or the Qatar opener that was (from memory) postponed due to wet







Gaz
 
I don't get the whole Bathurst thing, apart from the climb up the mountain its a bit bland. Its not a skill track for riders more of a daring track. And besides it was a deathtrap for bikes, they would leave the ground on the old Conrod straight and not land in time to slow enough for Shell corner ...... result many deaths.



Besides its not a great spectator track, the action disappears for so long that the crowd has to find "other distractions" ..... and they do ..... and the cops hate it
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Bathurst, a bit bland !!!!!

Dude, you and your little yellow smiley face mates have got no ....... idea.....

You've obviously never been around bathurst. I have raced cars (Porsche GT3) there, and have been around Bathurst (slowly) on a bike, and that place is one of the most amazing tracks in world. It is highly technical, requires precision and massive balls.

Agreed, Bathurst is not ideal for bikes, and would need some big safety considerations for MotoGP bikes, but MotoGP bikes at Bathurst would be one of the most amazing sights you would ever see.

The reason there were deaths there, is because of the type of racing, and you are talking about bike racing that started at Mount Panorama in the 1930's, and ended almost 15 years ago, where most of the track had armco railings (or no crash barriers). The Easter races at Bathurst were no different to Isle of Mann style, where you would get 'weekend racers' on their fast litre bikes and 500cc 2 stroke GP bikes, turning up for the Easter weekend, and running fast (very fast), on a circuit without room for error, and in those days without proper safety or run off. I remember seeing average guys there in the 80's on 750cc 2 stroke triples, cracking over 300 down the hill.

The bikes were not getting airborne from the last hump to the braking area for Hell Corner - remembering that in those days the Chase did not exist (if you had ever been around the track you would realise how stupid that comment is). That circuit 'could' be made suitable for GP bikes or WSBK.



The reason the bike racing stopped at Bathurst was not because the track was not safe enough, it was because of the crowd and the violence, ending in a massive roit in 1985 where the police were barrocaded in a compound heing attacked with petrol bombs, and having to fight their way out. There were probably more deaths through violence in the crowd as accidents on the track.



I'm not seriously suggesting they should run MotoGP bikes at Bathurst, because the changes required to the circuit would not be practical, but, the circuit could be suitable for bikes, and seeing MotoGP bikes going hard across the top of the mountain, and on the run down onto Conrod would be one of the most amazing sights you would ever see.



For anyone who is not familiar with the Mount Panorama Circuit at Bathurst, see;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fpMgM6Ag8w
 
No offence Nuts, but I much prefer this video, complete with onbike commentary by Dennis Neal (I had posted it previously here and the aftermath of the race video)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJSlro-47Ns



And for Barry to call Bathurst bland, well I dare say most do not agree and those I know of who have raced Btahurst on bikes would call him a complete and utter nutter
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Gaz