Pedrosa's practice Start, what a tool
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i also have to admit i burst out laughing.
great photo's pinky
great photo's pinky
hahahahahahahaaaaaa!
nice pics...
this is why TC/launch control etc should be banned. will be more of this but the riders will learn quick....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigAl @ Oct 14 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]95187[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
hahahahahahahaaaaaa!
nice pics...
hopper looks like hes trying to find someone to back him up when he tells everybody else...like "did you see pedrosa flip his bike?"
this is why TC/launch control etc should be banned. will be more of this but the riders will learn quick....
i agree,
cant remember when or where, but do you remember when colin edwards did a similar start and wiped half the grid away with him, problem is rider's are starting to relie on this technology rather than there own skill and judgment
hahahahahahahaaaaaa!
nice pics...
this is why TC/launch control etc should be banned. will be more of this but the riders will learn quick....
i agree,
cant remember when or where, but do you remember when colin edwards did a similar start and wiped half the grid away with him, problem is rider's are starting to relie on this technology rather than there own skill and judgment
i aso remember colin going for a triple salco with half twist....
was he on the aprilia then?
from what i heard about pedrosa, the launch control ...... out on him..
by the time he realised, it was in orbit already so he couldnt "muscle" the front end down...
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Really no different to if a clutch cable went in the old days, or a seal popped in the hydraulics nowadays ... result ... clutch engaged fast.
If it was a fault with the TC then no shame on Pederosa. Doubt many humans could "muscle" the front end down. .... these are relatively wild machines are they not?
How would you feel if this happened to you??
Given Pederosa's expertise and experience at racing motorcycles, I'd be thinking yeah it must have been a mechanical fault.
The guy did pretty good to be still racing later that day. Glad to see he was not hurt. I guess they learn to fall at the level he is at. Some folk would be "laid up" for weeks after such an occurrence.
I don't understand all this ban TC stuff?? ... I mean its just an extension mechanism that helps engagement of the clutch. Its a technical development designed to improve a motorcycle. Didn't Ago ride an automatic years ago??? should that have been banned? Should steering dampers be banned? tachos? redline indicators? rev limiters? wet weather tyres? CF brake disks? ....... seems lots of folk want to impose a moratorium on bike development to some mystical, long gone by, level that would show who was the best rider .... motog is a development formula is it not? I kinda think banning things like TC and introducing control tyres etc. will kill motgp eventually.
If it was a fault with the TC then no shame on Pederosa. Doubt many humans could "muscle" the front end down. .... these are relatively wild machines are they not?
How would you feel if this happened to you??
Given Pederosa's expertise and experience at racing motorcycles, I'd be thinking yeah it must have been a mechanical fault.
The guy did pretty good to be still racing later that day. Glad to see he was not hurt. I guess they learn to fall at the level he is at. Some folk would be "laid up" for weeks after such an occurrence.
I don't understand all this ban TC stuff?? ... I mean its just an extension mechanism that helps engagement of the clutch. Its a technical development designed to improve a motorcycle. Didn't Ago ride an automatic years ago??? should that have been banned? Should steering dampers be banned? tachos? redline indicators? rev limiters? wet weather tyres? CF brake disks? ....... seems lots of folk want to impose a moratorium on bike development to some mystical, long gone by, level that would show who was the best rider .... motog is a development formula is it not? I kinda think banning things like TC and introducing control tyres etc. will kill motgp eventually.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 14 2007, 03:22 PM) [snapback]95195[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Really no different to if a clutch cable went in the old days, or a seal popped in the hydraulics nowadays ... result ... clutch engaged fast.
If it was a fault with the TC then no shame on Pederosa. Doubt many humans could "muscle" the front end down. .... these are relatively wild machines are they not?
How would you feel if this happened to you??
Given Pederosa's expertise and experience at racing motorcycles, I'd be thinking yeah it must have been a mechanical fault.
The guy did pretty good to be still racing later that day. Glad to see he was not hurt. I guess they learn to fall at the level he is at. Some folk would be "laid up" for weeks after such an occurrence.
I don't understand all this ban TC stuff?? ... I mean its just an extension mechanism that helps engagement of the clutch. Its a technical development designed to improve a motorcycle. Didn't Ago ride an automatic years ago??? should that have been banned? Should steering dampers be banned? tachos? redline indicators? rev limiters? wet weather tyres? CF brake disks? ....... seems lots of folk want to impose a moratorium on bike development to some mystical, long gone by, level that would show who was the best rider .... motog is a development formula is it not? I kinda think banning things like TC and introducing control tyres etc. will kill motgp eventually.
i see your point but i still disagree with you. it's all about the manufacturers
trying to get us to support them rather than the riders. as honda have said " the rider is only a small part" and if these electronics carry on the way its going they will be right. put the control back in the riders hands not the geek in the back of the garage.
Really no different to if a clutch cable went in the old days, or a seal popped in the hydraulics nowadays ... result ... clutch engaged fast.
If it was a fault with the TC then no shame on Pederosa. Doubt many humans could "muscle" the front end down. .... these are relatively wild machines are they not?
How would you feel if this happened to you??
Given Pederosa's expertise and experience at racing motorcycles, I'd be thinking yeah it must have been a mechanical fault.
The guy did pretty good to be still racing later that day. Glad to see he was not hurt. I guess they learn to fall at the level he is at. Some folk would be "laid up" for weeks after such an occurrence.
I don't understand all this ban TC stuff?? ... I mean its just an extension mechanism that helps engagement of the clutch. Its a technical development designed to improve a motorcycle. Didn't Ago ride an automatic years ago??? should that have been banned? Should steering dampers be banned? tachos? redline indicators? rev limiters? wet weather tyres? CF brake disks? ....... seems lots of folk want to impose a moratorium on bike development to some mystical, long gone by, level that would show who was the best rider .... motog is a development formula is it not? I kinda think banning things like TC and introducing control tyres etc. will kill motgp eventually.
i see your point but i still disagree with you. it's all about the manufacturers
trying to get us to support them rather than the riders. as honda have said " the rider is only a small part" and if these electronics carry on the way its going they will be right. put the control back in the riders hands not the geek in the back of the garage.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 05:40 PM) [snapback]95211[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats called a one make series
i does not have to be that drastic, this tc is a relatively new thing for motogp so should not be to much trouble to ban it.
Thats called a one make series
i does not have to be that drastic, this tc is a relatively new thing for motogp so should not be to much trouble to ban it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 14 2007, 06:09 PM) [snapback]95212[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this tc is a relatively new thing for motogp so should not be to much trouble to ban it.
Ever since the start of the championship in 49 engineers haven been working their hardest to improve the bikes so that the riders have the best possible chance of winning. This remains the case now and will do for as long as motogp is a top level prototype racing series.
this tc is a relatively new thing for motogp so should not be to much trouble to ban it.
Ever since the start of the championship in 49 engineers haven been working their hardest to improve the bikes so that the riders have the best possible chance of winning. This remains the case now and will do for as long as motogp is a top level prototype racing series.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 06:36 PM) [snapback]95219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ever since the start of the championship in 49 engineers haven been working their hardest to improve the bikes so that the riders have the best possible chance of winning. This remains the case now and will do for as long as motogp is a top level prototype racing series.
you not making sense tonight tom !
i say "put the control back in the rider hands" then you say "thats called a one make series"
i say "tc is a relatively new thing in motogp,so shouldnt be to much troube to ban it" you say read above ^^. im confused.
Ever since the start of the championship in 49 engineers haven been working their hardest to improve the bikes so that the riders have the best possible chance of winning. This remains the case now and will do for as long as motogp is a top level prototype racing series.
you not making sense tonight tom !
i say "put the control back in the rider hands" then you say "thats called a one make series"
i say "tc is a relatively new thing in motogp,so shouldnt be to much troube to ban it" you say read above ^^. im confused.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 14 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]95220[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you not making sense tonight tom !
i say "put the control back in the rider hands" then you say "thats called a one make series"
i say "tc is a relatively new thing in motogp" you say read above ^^. im confused.
Its pretty simple. You say the machinary shouldn't figure in the results of the racing. I suggest that a one make series is the way to achieve that. I'm sure we both agree that Grand Prix racing is far superior in spectacle to a one make series. You then saaid that TC is a relitively new thing, which it is. But I remind you that bike development affecting the results in prototype racing is nothing close to a new concept. It has always been a part of Grand Prix racing and without it we would essentialy have a much lesser formula. I especially feel that TC and electronics is a vital area for the progression of vehicle development and although rules regarding it may not be ideal when as unrestricted as they are, i think a ban would be a big blow.
you not making sense tonight tom !
i say "put the control back in the rider hands" then you say "thats called a one make series"
i say "tc is a relatively new thing in motogp" you say read above ^^. im confused.
Its pretty simple. You say the machinary shouldn't figure in the results of the racing. I suggest that a one make series is the way to achieve that. I'm sure we both agree that Grand Prix racing is far superior in spectacle to a one make series. You then saaid that TC is a relitively new thing, which it is. But I remind you that bike development affecting the results in prototype racing is nothing close to a new concept. It has always been a part of Grand Prix racing and without it we would essentialy have a much lesser formula. I especially feel that TC and electronics is a vital area for the progression of vehicle development and although rules regarding it may not be ideal when as unrestricted as they are, i think a ban would be a big blow.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]95222[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You say the machinary shouldn't figure in the results of the racing.
i didn't say that at all ,
altho there are many here who think it's all down to the rider or bike i no it a balance of many things, i just think some of this electronic wizardry can bread complacency which makes things even more dangerous when it fails. nothing can beat the human brain, its the most powerful computer out there it you let it do its job plus it makes for better racing imo.
You say the machinary shouldn't figure in the results of the racing.
i didn't say that at all ,
altho there are many here who think it's all down to the rider or bike i no it a balance of many things, i just think some of this electronic wizardry can bread complacency which makes things even more dangerous when it fails. nothing can beat the human brain, its the most powerful computer out there it you let it do its job plus it makes for better racing imo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 14 2007, 07:01 PM) [snapback]95224[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i just think some of this electronic wizardry can bread complacency which makes things even more dangerous when it fails. nothing can beat the human brain, its the most powerful computer out there it you let it do its job plus it makes for better racing imo.
Well all the riders have complacency with their machinary when they expect it to do its job. The two stroke guys don't cover their clutch levers at all times in case they have a siezure, its the same thing really. The human brain may be the best tool we have but it makes mistakes, computers don't.
i just think some of this electronic wizardry can bread complacency which makes things even more dangerous when it fails. nothing can beat the human brain, its the most powerful computer out there it you let it do its job plus it makes for better racing imo.
Well all the riders have complacency with their machinary when they expect it to do its job. The two stroke guys don't cover their clutch levers at all times in case they have a siezure, its the same thing really. The human brain may be the best tool we have but it makes mistakes, computers don't.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 07:08 PM) [snapback]95225[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The human brain may be the best tool we have but it makes mistakes, computers don't.
think pedro may disagree with that and everybody who uses computers
The human brain may be the best tool we have but it makes mistakes, computers don't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 14 2007, 07:12 PM) [snapback]95226[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
think pedro may disagree with that and everybody who uses computers
Computers cannot make mistakes, its impossible. The only faults they have are their designers.
Computers cannot make mistakes, its impossible. The only faults they have are their designers.
